Weren’t both terrible under him? I’m wondering when this was offered to them.
Ole Gunnar Solskjaer criticises some players from time in charge at Old Trafford
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Weren’t both terrible under him? I’m wondering when this was offered to them.
Ole came with the biggest new manager bounce. The players played for him because he was a Utd legend, he had nothing to lose so could throw caution to the wind tactically and when he joined it was only ever going to be until the end of the season. Ole couldn't ever look "bad" in that situation, at worst people would have just said "well he was never experienced enough anyway".
The trouble is it fooled Woodward.
Ole made a great caretaker manager, but once he became manager all his flaws and lack of experience were exposed and amplified over time.
Ole was a classic case of "You Either Die A Hero, Or You Live Long Enough To See Yourself Become The Villain" (metaphorically). He should have kept it at just being caretaker.
Imo the most likely scenario is we keep regularly finishing in the top 4, reach some finals and probably win a few. With some great luck even the CL is possible. Our counter attacks were devastating and thanked to that we had a very good record against the top 6 and top teams in general. But we'd never win the PL because of our inability to score and regularly beat mid-bottom table teams who also sit back and counter. At least as long as Pep is still here imo. It's basically impossible to get +90 points playing the way we were under Ole.
Agreed. I had no issue with him being sacked for that reason. It was clear he couldn't take us any further. But that isn't an embarrassing record, getting us that far so consistently is very good.
Its a shame that the club didn't insist on recruiting a new tactical coach. As that was clearly what Ole needed to elevate the club from an almost run to the real deal. Would also have benefitted Carrick and McKennon to learn from a highly experienced and skilled tactician.
I kind of give Ole a pass for the final few months. As I think his hands were tied with the Ronaldo signing. We had no option but to bring him back to United. The fan fallout if he had signed for City would have been unbearable despite it being probably the right decision. The pressure from the media, fans and ex players meant we had to bring Ronaldo home. It proved to be a toxic, bad move.
That's not even close to being the most likely scenario and ignore all the other shit that happened that season apart from signing Ronaldo.
Offering Rashford the armband at that age is bizarre really, not surprised he didn’t want it, there’s enough pressure on him already.
Pogba turning it down sums up his character a bit really.
Pogba turning it down sums up his character a bit really.
Either now or in the summer is the best timing too I think. We have good fixtures in front of us, so it's not like he's coming out with these interviews before turning up at Anfield.
It's not really like he's saying anything that controversial anyways.
Can't it just be that he didn't do a good enough job? Why must it be lack of experience that cost him?
Van Gaal was experienced and a proven winner and he arguably did worse. And Mourinho wasn't that much better either.
If Ole really did offer Rashford and Pogba the captaincy then that speaks more about his judgement than I could possibly say.
Pogba, one of the most toxic players to step foot in the club - actively speaks about how United wasted his career, while putting in the laziest performances known to man in relation to his ability and then Rashford....neither player could be less United captain material if they tried.
Pogba, one of the most toxic players to step foot in the club - actively speaks about how United wasted his career, while putting in the laziest performances known to man in relation to his ability and then Rashford....neither player could be less United captain material if they tried.
More than half the caf thought we're gonna challenge for the title that season if my memory serves me right. There were multiple threads talking about winning the title. Especially after we started the season pretty well and bought Ronaldo.
The only other shit Ronaldo aside I could remember was Greenwood. But imo even without him we should have been able to finish within the top 4 that season with Rice. Imo our biggest issue back then was the McFred duo and having no good DM.
After his agent regularly publicly calling the club out aswell, it's pathetic to offer Pogba the captaincy
Yeah. They were deluded.
Yeah we're. Probably 90% of the caf back then thought so including me. I didn't think we'd win the title but challenging surely since we finished second the season before and bought Sancho. Greenwood looked like he was about to turn to an excellent #9 as well. It was pretty good time for a while the caf was in excellent mood.
I seriously doubt Pogba turned down the captaincy opportunity. The guy is a walking attention seeker. The captaincy would have given him more fuel for the attention he craves. Hasn’t he also captained France before? And recording that “motivational” talk in the dressing room in the World Cup?
Thought he was basically confirming things ETH was going through...
When Ronaldo came in, it all went to hell. Fast. The dressing room vacated Ole almost immediately.
This is something I've suspected for a long time. We seem to have more hamstring injuries than any other team. And other muscle injuries as well. It's a consistent feature and they pile up quickly.
When Ronaldo came in, it all went to hell. Fast. The dressing room vacated Ole almost immediately.
This is something I've suspected for a long time. We seem to have more hamstring injuries than any other team. And other muscle injuries as well. It's a consistent feature and they pile up quickly.
It wouldn't surprise me, tbf. We always seem to have very delicate balances in the dressing room. Do we even have a vice-captain nowadays? Mourinho was grooming Pogba to become one of the captains with the Frenchman wearing the armband on a few occasions until their relationship deteriorated and Pogba was seen as one of the mutineers that wanted him gone. It would actually make sense for him to politely turn down the captaincy after that. It would also look a sensible decision from Rashford to say no at a very young age and with still having a lot to prove. To me, it looked like a half-baked attempt to give Harry a nod at a difficult time: "Look, at least he stepped up".
The article said that he refused as he wanted out.
What colour is your Bugatti pal?
This thread is a trainwreck. Astounding that so many people can't stand players getting criticized.
It's regularly said that Pogba is a good guy in the dressing room and in general outside of the agent stuff.
The guy shouldn't have been anywhere near managing UTD. He was far less qualified than even Moyes. If you are bad at the job and you come with no experience, then I don't see how that can't ever be a reason why.
No idea how you think LvG did worse given the hand he was delt in comparison, plus he still got a trophy. Jose won two and any other season managed a points total that would have won the league.
It's not a coincidence that the two managers we have had since Fergie who wasn't qualified for the job are the only two who didn't win anything.
I can see why Rashford wouldn’t take the captaincy and am fine with it, he’s already doing a lot of different things and I don’t think he’s quite the captain type.
Offering the captaincy to Pogba was daft, shows a poor judgement of character.
Offering the captaincy to Pogba was daft, shows a poor judgement of character.
Solskjaer should have never got the permanent gig. That was another Woodward disasterclass. Plus, he can only dream of having a CV similar to LvG's. But the latter actually did worse. There's abslolutely no excuse for finishing outside the top-four and scoring 49 goals in your second season after having spent close to half a billion to rebuild the squad. More so, at a year when the PL was probably at its weakest in terms of quality. No FA Cup can remedy the torture of watching United that season, while Ranieri was winning the league simply by hitting long-balls to Vardy and creating isos for Mahrez.
Couldn't have put it better.
If someone was dangling £350k a week in front of me I’d tell them whatever they needed to know.
Ole sent us in stone age with this tenure and we talking as X Y Z did worse, no, post SAF, worst job out of them all, wasted money, wasted time, left unfit and uncoached side, on top of that, he left most dislikeable bunch of overpaid leeching cnuts, hell he gave Brickhead an armband after he was 5 min in the club, that alone should be sackable offence, not to mention he won feck all.