Ole Gunnar Solskjær | Managerial Watch

Amadaeus said:
Not surprised the club isn't named that he rejected. However, credit to Ole, even though he was an awful manager, at least Ralf made him he look less of a con artist. It would be funny if Ole does better than ETH.. I might have to reevaluate things if he does :lol:

I will be surprised if he gets a job in the premier league outside a relegationcandidate team. He needs to follow mckenna and get one in the championship and build his cv there and learn some of the fundamentals in coaching a team.
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I wouldn't say awful. He's better than Frank. I would say average.
 
UnitedSofa said:
Oh do fecking behave.

multiple semi finals and a EL final is much better form than what Moyes did.

Feck me.
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Moyes only had 8 months in the job and was massively let down by Ed Woodward, he gave Woodward a list of players he wanted in the first transfer window but ended up with only Fellaini who wasnt even on that list.

Moyes had a certain way of playing which didnt fit the squad he inherited and in his whole tenure he was given only 2 new players Fellaini and Mata who were both midfielders when I think what he needed was decent wing backs like he had at Everton with Baines and Coleman so if he had of been given more time and been able to get the players he needed in the summer 2014 window he may have done much better in his 2nd season.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
if he had of been given more time and been able to get the players he needed in the summer 2014 window he may have done much better in his 2nd season.
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Not sure of getting us relegated in his second season and then winning the Championship in his third qualifies as a much better job.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Moyes only had 8 months in the job and was massively let down by Ed Woodward, he gave Woodward a list of players he wanted in the first transfer window but ended up with only Fellaini who wasnt even on that list.

Moyes had a certain way of playing which didnt fit the squad he inherited and in his whole tenure he was given only 2 new players Fellaini and Mata who were both midfielders when I think what he needed was decent wing backs like he had at Everton with Baines and Coleman so if he had of been given more time and been able to get the players he needed in the summer 2014 window he may have done much better in his 2nd season.
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He did absolutely nothing to deserve more time. Basically the moment your players give up on you it is over. They don’t care or directly or indirectly they don’t try (hard).

That doesn’t even always mean that they intentionally do it. It’s not that they have a meeting in which they collectively decide to get the managers sacked (there may be exceptions but I don’t believe that’s what usually happens).
It’s more that the players realise the manager has taken them as far as he could, no new ideas, no hope, no inspiration, etc. so they stop believing in him, in themselves, aren’t motivated and things turn from bad to worse. Happens at every club usually before the manager is sacked. With Jose it happened. With Ole it happened in his 3rd full season a few months after the Ronaldo signing.

With Moyes however it already happened after a few months. Or maybe even before he started. But he did absolutely nothing to gain the trust of the players. Actually the opposite. Blaming the players and everyone but himself in the press, the Jagielka story and all that. So he was never going to survive for longer than he already did.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Moyes only had 8 months in the job and was massively let down by Ed Woodward, he gave Woodward a list of players he wanted in the first transfer window but ended up with only Fellaini who wasnt even on that list.

Moyes had a certain way of playing which didnt fit the squad he inherited and in his whole tenure he was given only 2 new players Fellaini and Mata who were both midfielders when I think what he needed was decent wing backs like he had at Everton with Baines and Coleman so if he had of been given more time and been able to get the players he needed in the summer 2014 window he may have done much better in his 2nd season.
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Yes, if only he'd stayed a bit longer, we'd be West Ham by now.

If we'd have sacked him in November, that would have been too late also.
 
united_99 said:
He did absolutely nothing to deserve more time. Basically the moment your players give up on you it is over. They don’t care or directly or indirectly they don’t try (hard).

That doesn’t even always mean that they intentionally do it. It’s not that they have a meeting in which they collectively decide to get the managers sacked (there may be exceptions but I don’t believe that’s what usually happens).
It’s more that the players realise the manager has taken them as far as he could, no new ideas, no hope, no inspiration, etc. so they stop believing in him, in themselves, aren’t motivated and things turn from bad to worse. Happens at every club usually before the manager is sacked. With Jose it happened. With Ole it happened in his 3rd full season a few months after the Ronaldo signing.

With Moyes however it already happened after a few months. Or maybe even before he started. But he did absolutely nothing to gain the trust of the players. Actually the opposite. Blaming the players and everyone but himself in the press, the Jagielka story and all that. So he was never going to survive for longer than he already did.
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Fake story FYI.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Utter nonsense and it's proved you've not learned anything from the last ten years. Ole is the only manager we've had post Fergie to finish top 4 in consecutive seasons.
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If finishing top four is our ultimate target, then yes, he didn't set us back.

If those top four finishes were supposed to be stepping stones for bigger things, then he did set us back. Because he didn't reach those bigger things, but was allowed to spend a lot of money and restructure the squad - that is now not fit for purpose and requires another huge investment to be rebuild.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Moyes only had 8 months in the job and was massively let down by Ed Woodward, he gave Woodward a list of players he wanted in the first transfer window but ended up with only Fellaini who wasnt even on that list.

Moyes had a certain way of playing which didnt fit the squad he inherited and in his whole tenure he was given only 2 new players Fellaini and Mata who were both midfielders when I think what he needed was decent wing backs like he had at Everton with Baines and Coleman so if he had of been given more time and been able to get the players he needed in the summer 2014 window he may have done much better in his 2nd season.
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No, no no, bloody hell no, why do you people keep hashing this nonsense.

He took a team who had cruised a title to 7th!
There's nothing to say he wouldn't have taken us even lower the next year.
 
shamans said:
Fake story FYI.
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Nope. Vidic was asked in an interview about it and he didn’t deny it. He could have said that it wasn’t true/rubbish. He tried to avoided the question and gave some kind of justification for it. Don’t remember the exact word but something along the lines of every manager has different methods. That’s as much of a confirmation as you will get from a professional player. Vidic was never going to say haha, yeah what a moron Moyes was.
 
Always thought he won't be that interested in managerial career after his United stint. He has the money, he already did his dream job and I can see why going back into it isn't that appealing to him after United.
 
united_99 said:
Nope. Vidic was asked in an interview about it and he didn’t deny it. He could have said that it wasn’t true/rubbish. He tried to avoided the question and gave some kind of justification for it. Don’t remember the exact word but something along the lines of every manager has different methods. That’s as much of a confirmation as you will get from a professional player. Vidic was never going to say haha, yeah what a moron Moyes was.
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“I don’t know where that came from to be honest, that’s something that never happened,” Ferdinand told Savage Social.

“Listen, Phil Jagielka was a very good player. I’m sure he wouldn’t have shown us videos of Phil of how we should be doing this and that, but I don’t know where that came from. That’s just some mad tale that’s come out of nowhere.

“Someone has dreamed that up and it’s become a great meme.”

It was one of the many dumb stuff the press released about Moyes back then.

The reality is it was an aging squad with many players past it. It needed a refresh.
 
shamans said:
“I don’t know where that came from to be honest, that’s something that never happened,” Ferdinand told Savage Social.

“Listen, Phil Jagielka was a very good player. I’m sure he wouldn’t have shown us videos of Phil of how we should be doing this and that, but I don’t know where that came from. That’s just some mad tale that’s come out of nowhere.

“Someone has dreamed that up and it’s become a great meme.”

It was one of the many dumb stuff the press released about Moyes back then.

The reality is it was an aging squad with many players past it. It needed a refresh.
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Amir said:
If finishing top four is our ultimate target, then yes, he didn't set us back.

If those top four finishes were supposed to be stepping stones for bigger things, then he did set us back. Because he didn't reach those bigger things, but was allowed to spend a lot of money and restructure the squad - that is now not fit for purpose and requires another huge investment to be rebuild.
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Did Ole have the best squad in the league or even the second best in his time as manager? I honestly don't think he did. So why did we expect miracles?

Was he the man to take back the PL title? Probably not but I still don't see him as a complete failure. Finishing 2nd and 3rd in this league wasn't something to just brush under the carpet. Things did go wrong in season 4 though for sure.

I still blame the owners and the board for most of the last 10 years. Ole didn't really do any worse than any of the others which says everything. We've been set up to fail.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
This club has been failing because of the owners and the board.
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Yes, and a big part of that has been them making literally laughable managerial appointments.

With OGS being the pinnacle of those appointments - a manager who literally cannot get ANY OTHER job in the PL… yet is given the fecking Man Utd job ffs.

And no, I don’t hate him, I Love him, I wish him well. But ffs lets call it how it is.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Hasn't the same thing happened to every single manager?

This is why the Glazers have to go. The longer a manager stays the more they just start getting the blame.

Ole went a whole season without losing an away game. Only time it's ever happened in our entire history. 3rd and 2nd place finishes. Great record Vs Pep.

The managers have been failing because the people behind the scenes aren't professional enough to run a a sweet shop let alone a huge football club.
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Yes, I do agree, but I’d also say that the choices of manager have not been good either. Which could be seen as a reflection of the ineptitude of the owners and board, too, of course. I think ETH is certainly the best, but yeah, I pray that the Glazers will feck right off.
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
Did Ole have the best squad in the league or even the second best in his time as manager? I honestly don't think he did. So why did we expect miracles?

Was he the man to take back the PL title? Probably not but I still don't see him as a complete failure. Finishing 2nd and 3rd in this league wasn't something to just brush under the carpet. Things did go wrong in season 4 though for sure.

I still blame the owners and the board for most of the last 10 years. Ole didn't really do any worse than any of the others which says everything. We've been set up to fail.
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Oh, I agree. Solskjaer wasn't to blame. He was just another bad appointment in a series of bad appointments. None of the managers post Fergie were good enough to take us where we want and he was one of them.

As for the squad, he had the time and money to make it much better. He was at least partly at fault for that not happening.

He wasn't a complete failure but in the grand scheme of things, of a club wanting to challenge for the league and the CL, he was never going to do that.
 
Andersonson said:
I dont think you fully understand. Not every newspaper and media outlet is like those in Egypt mate ;)
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That's not really a response. Your evidence is that Norwegian media are claiming their Norwegian manager got offers. Great sources. We haven't heard a single name out of those imaginary clubs till, guess what, an actual offer came from Brugge.
 
He wont take the job, he will be expected to win silverware. Ole is a bang average manager, and he knows it.
 
Amir said:
Oh, I agree. Solskjaer wasn't to blame. He was just another bad appointment in a series of bad appointments. None of the managers post Fergie were good enough to take us where we want and he was one of them.

As for the squad, he had the time and money to make it much better. He was at least partly at fault for that not happening.

He wasn't a complete failure but in the grand scheme of things, of a club wanting to challenge for the league and the CL, he was never going to do that.
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Yup, that's a fair assessment. We didn't know Ole's ceiling, he took us to several semi finals and finals and couldn't get us over the line. He wasn't a disaster and left us in a semi decent position squad wise. Had some entertaining games, some very good runs of form, it ended in a disappointing way. Ultimately when we failed to win the Europa League we should have parted ways at that point.
 
Hope he does well in his next job
 
Nou_Camp99 said:
still blame the owners and the board for most of the last 10 years. Ole didn't really do any worse than any of the others which says everything. We've been set up to fail.
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Yeah, he didn't really do any worse despite, two of his three predecessors winning three trophies between them and also finishing in the top four. Our new manager has won a trophy in his first season.
 
united_99 said:
By that logic every manager so far since Fergie set us back (and in a way you may be right).
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Well, it's either you take a step forward, backward, or stay the same..


if you stay the same and other teams got better, you've Gone backwards.
If you improve, especially more than other teams, youve gone forwards.

and if you go back.. u go back.

most managers we had since Fergie were either a step back or maintained, depending on who they took over for.
 
There's no way anyone believes Ole has turned down PL jobs.
 
RedRocket9908 said:
Moyes only had 8 months in the job and was massively let down by Ed Woodward, he gave Woodward a list of players he wanted in the first transfer window but ended up with only Fellaini who wasnt even on that list.

Moyes had a certain way of playing which didnt fit the squad he inherited and in his whole tenure he was given only 2 new players Fellaini and Mata who were both midfielders when I think what he needed was decent wing backs like he had at Everton with Baines and Coleman so if he had of been given more time and been able to get the players he needed in the summer 2014 window he may have done much better in his 2nd season.
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Horseshit all.

One of the first bids we made was a double for Baines and Fellaini. When Baines wasn't happening then Moyes I shit you not wanted to wait to sign someone else first so Fellaini wouldn't be under pressure. But because the rest of his targets were unrealistic we ended up having to pay even more for Fellaini as his release clause expired. Woodward was a clown but Moyes being a bigger clown made his job all the harder.

Moyes had 11 months not 8 and in all honesty he had about 4 months too many he should have got the boot around Xmas.

He had Evra and Rafael.
 
united_99 said:
Nope. Vidic was asked in an interview about it and he didn’t deny it. He could have said that it wasn’t true/rubbish. He tried to avoided the question and gave some kind of justification for it. Don’t remember the exact word but something along the lines of every manager has different methods. That’s as much of a confirmation as you will get from a professional player. Vidic was never going to say haha, yeah what a moron Moyes was.
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Yep that Vidic interview confirmed it.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Of course, he did. Three and half years and 350m spent for nothing, wasted time he set us back, no doubt about it. ETH had us playing proper football in 3 months.
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Exactly people talk as if getting to the Europa league final (which we lost by the way) and a meaningless second place and a third one is not failure while we ended up with a squad full of deadwood again.

All the rebuild talk was just time wasted, besides Bruno all his other signings were awful and we were left again with a weak squad incapable of competing.
 
stevoc said:
Yep that Vidic interview confirmed it.
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Yeah I find this more believable as it was only a couple of years after Moyes left United as opposed to Rio taking 7 years to deny it. Rio was probably just being respectful. Plus at West Ham Moyes again showed at least one defender Jagielka videos. The defender told the story in a positive light / he learnt something from that video(s). However it seems Moyes was/is obsessed with Jagielka.

Even if the story is not true he did and said enough mid table small mentality stuff such as “we will make it difficult for Newcastle” or “even SAF wouldn’t do well if he was here” whereas the reality is that SAF easily won the league just a few months ago.

“Actual manager” Moyes in his 20 actual Premier League years has still not won a single league game away to a top 4 side.

Hell there was recently even a stat that in 70 attempts he hasn’t even won a single away game in the league against the big 6.

But somehow hiring Ole was worse because Moyes at least was an actual manager or something.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Did you expect Moyes to do that in 10 months? Not really comparable, is it?
Moyes had 10 months and spent 50m
Ole had 3 and half years and spent 350m
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Moyes was never going to achieve anything but 7th place or lower, 10 months or 10 years.
Regarding the money spent, 50 or whatever million was a lot of money back then, especially for United. Mata was our club record signing.
 
stevoc said:
Horseshit all.

One of the first bids we made was a double for Baines and Fellaini. When Baines wasn't happening then Moyes I shit you not wanted to wait to sign someone else first so Fellaini wouldn't be under pressure. But because the rest of his targets were unrealistic we ended up having to pay even more for Fellaini as his release clause expired. Woodward was a clown but Moyes being a bigger clown made his job all the harder.

Moyes had 11 months not 8 and in all honesty he had about 4 months too many he should have got the boot around Xmas.

He had Evra and Rafael.
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Fellaini was a last minute signing, Moyes and Woodward had spent all summer chasing Cesc Fabregas and thought they had him but Cesc changed his mind at the last minute and stayed at Barcelona so they had to sign Fellaini instead.
 
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RedRocket9908 said:
Fellaini was a last minute signing, Moyes and Woodward had spent all summer chasing Cesc Fabregas and thought they had him but Cesc changed his mind at the last minute and stayed at Barcelona so they had to sign Fellaini instead.
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You forget you also chased Kroos and countless other midfielders and panicked when you couldn’t secure any of them.
 
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