Xavi did not and he's apparently billy big bollox
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | Managerial Watch
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Ofcourse it's hate for some utterly pathetic reasons.
Consistently belittling him whenever there is some managerial change in PL is nothing but hate and it's usually the same posters.
It’s true that there were - and are - bigger problems but Ole was obviously out of his managerial depth, and was increasingly floundering as the seasons passed.
Hasn't the same thing happened to every single manager?
This is why the Glazers have to go. The longer a manager stays the more they just start getting the blame.
Ole went a whole season without losing an away game. Only time it's ever happened in our entire history. 3rd and 2nd place finishes. Great record Vs Pep.
The managers have been failing because the people behind the scenes aren't professional enough to run a a sweet shop let alone a huge football club.
It's the same wit Maguire. He's so memed that he'll have to go and play for fecking Ipswich town, yet he'd probably do great in any not top 6 club.
Why are there some people here who seem to genuinely revel in shitting on a club legend?
I only just now read someone posting he rejected premier league offers (as per the athletic).
I don't believe that he would reject a premier league club for Brugge or wherever he ends up. I think the motivation for him if he wants to be considered a top manager should be pretty obvious. If a team like Everton or Leicester did actually offer him a job and he rejected maybe he's waiting for an easier club more suited to his level.
They indeed can but lets not forget Ole is the same age group of mauricio pochettino, Conte and many other established managers. He's not a young manager by any means.
I don't really rate lampard and I think he is going to be Chelseas Ole. I hope they go on a winning run and make him permanent. That said Lampard's season with Derby was pretty impressive. He also has the advantage of age being 44 still.
Is this real? What offers has he rejected specifically? I haven't heard of any club interested on him. Besides recent rumors about Bruges.
Stating the obvious that he's just not a good manager is not shitting on a club legend. Scholes is my all time favorite player but he's also very likely not a good manager.
Surely that's what clubs think about, look the manager/player is memed we shouldnt approach them by any means even if they'd surely do great at a cut price.
Sounds about it.
respect the quote.
He can’t have set us back that much considering we won a trophy the very next season after his sacking.
Worse.
His transfer record: Maguire, Fernandes (polarized but arguably not the right fit for the club), Wan Bissaka, Donny Van Der Beek, Telles, James, bumper contract to Martial and insisting with Pogba for a long time. I almost forgot about Sancho.
Oh do fecking behave.
multiple semi finals and a EL final is much better form than what Moyes did.
Feck me.
Xavi is a young and incoming manager, who's managing at the club he was an ex legend at anyway. Ole is older by 7 years and has been managing for 10 whole years. He's not some young talented coach you're willing to give him some chance because he has revolutionary ideas or tactically progressive style and on the hope of him getting better as he gets older.
Wish him all the best he's a much better manager than some of these people getting job after job
Then you can't say Mourinho had set United back or left Ole a bad squad to work with because the squad he left finished 3rd the first year after he was sacked. How the irony.
The irony of what lol? The feck are you even on about?
The irony of claiming he didn't set us back because Ten Hag won a League Cup trophy.
That isn't what irony is.
I think Big Sam would've done a better job at United than Ole. He was an abject failure as a manager but a legend as a player. We need to separate the two.
The irony is that most Ole fans claim he got a terrible squad or a toxic dressing room after Mourinho and he left us at a better place than what he got, then claiming now he didn't set us back because Ten Hag won a League Cup even though the squad Mourinho left for Ole also finished 3rd the first year after he was sacked, yet Ole fans were saying it was all thanks to him. The hypocrisy and contradiction at its finest.
No clue
But...that's not what irony means. You keep using the wrong word.
Maguire and Wan Bissaka are the only ones I take issue with there. If we’d had a director of football they’d have piped up and said we’re not signing players that only work in a low block if we want to dominate the ball at any point in the next few seasons. That said I don’t think they’re bad players, just vastly overpriced and they don’t suit our style. Ole should have known this though.
Bruno was a great buy, Donny looked amazing at Ajax, Telles was a 12m backup and played as such, James was a promising young player who we moved on for twice what we paid, and every man and his dog wanted Sancho on here - blaming Ole for signing one of the most promising teenagers in the world is a new one.
This is why our transfer business suck. We base it on the hype of the fans around players, instead of actually evaluating if his style of play will suit the team or not.
What we're seeing now is a player who doesn't fit the nature of Premier League style of play and intensity at all.
I'm pretty sure the majority of us thought of Sancho as an explosive player with a lot of pace and dribbling power. Most of us don't watch Bundesliga regularly and depend on the players' video, then we got shocked when we saw a player who barely even runs at the defender in front of him.
What I expect from the club is to have a better vision on players' suitability for the team by actually watching that player and analyzing if he'll fit here and in PL or not, and not just signing players off hype.
Most of United big transfers post Fergie have been like that and that's why most of them failed. Haphazard transfer business with the fans cheering on them when they happen.
Ridiculous thing to say. Yeah, ultimately he failed in the end but no way did he set us back. Wreck-It did more 'damage' if you want to call it that in the short time he was at United. Doing a Potter is setting the club back. Solskjaer just ran out of ideas....just like 98% of all football managers.
No reason, why he shouldn't walk into another PL job. I actually think he'd be perfect for Leicester (and he could take Maguire with him).
But I’m not an Ole fan
This is a problem I have with our business in recent years. When was the last time we scouted someone and found the next big thing before they started costing silly money? The summer we signed Sancho we also signed Varane and Ronaldo - how much scouting went into those 3? None, probably. We need to be doing more to uncover the next Vidic, Hernandez etc.
Newcastle aren’t better than the side that cruised the CL title. This City side isn’t even as good as that City side.
there’s been 12 sackings this season for a reason and it’s not because they’re all playing at a high level.
We’ve had a weird run of managers, all but Moyes divide opinion hugely. He was just woeful.
Did these people really follow United back then, I wonder? Taking the league champions to 7th is apparently better than what Ole managed.
Exactly.
I think when you think about all the reasons people give around how Ole finished with that record, they fail to notice that most of that reasoning contradicts their earlier reasoning.
He's not someone like Zidane who can wait for a perfect job and turn down very good opportunities to get great opportunities.
Ole's reputation as a manager with United fans is divided but outside of United he's not taken seriously as a manager at all especially at PL level. Has he even had an interview for a PL job since he left us?
The way we laugh at Lampard here is how he's seen generally across the league. The goodwill and emotional ties to the club are what got him through many bad periods and extended his stay well beyond what it should have been. He'd be chased out of any PL club within months if he joined in my opinion.
Love him as a player and always will, one of my favourites but he's a shite manager.
Ole's reputation as a manager with United fans is divided but outside of United he's not taken seriously as a manager at all especially at PL level. Has he even had an interview for a PL job since he left us?
The way we laugh at Lampard here is how he's seen generally across the league. The goodwill and emotional ties to the club are what got him through many bad periods and extended his stay well beyond what it should have been. He'd be chased out of any PL club within months if he joined in my opinion.
Love him as a player and always will, one of my favourites but he's a shite manager.
At the end of the day it turned out to be too big of a job for him. This club is an extremely difficult one to find success with. It's a club with a fed-up fanbase, starved of major success, a mish-mash squad of brilliant and distinctly average players, many who are not playing to their potential and the eyes of everyone upon you, just waiting for you to slip-up.
It takes a strong-willed and tactically-expert manager to get a tune out this team, at a level that Ole is not quite at. It doesn't mean he can't be at a suitable level for other teams.
Ole was not a modern manager who had his own style and needed the squad to conform with his style. Hence why he gave the main tactical and coaching duties to Carrick and McKenna.
Ole oversees and delegates, that's fine, but it's not as typical now that approach. After his second season at United, the Return of Ronaldo year, it was not only too much for him, but for Carrick and McKenna trying to balance the egos and team style to improve above 2nd/3rd. They were all inexperienced coaches and man managers of people and a squad at that high level. And then it showed. So much division and fractured relationships, egos, etc. It was too much.
But for his coaching tree with McKenna and Carrick...they are obviously going rather well and long may it continue. Shows Ole knew he had capable coaches and he allowed them to do their good work and it just went tits up a few months into the 3rd season with Ronaldo.
Ole oversees and delegates, that's fine, but it's not as typical now that approach. After his second season at United, the Return of Ronaldo year, it was not only too much for him, but for Carrick and McKenna trying to balance the egos and team style to improve above 2nd/3rd. They were all inexperienced coaches and man managers of people and a squad at that high level. And then it showed. So much division and fractured relationships, egos, etc. It was too much.
But for his coaching tree with McKenna and Carrick...they are obviously going rather well and long may it continue. Shows Ole knew he had capable coaches and he allowed them to do their good work and it just went tits up a few months into the 3rd season with Ronaldo.
I think it's funny how Spurs haven't been in for him. A bottler for a bottle club. Something, something math about double negatives.
I mean that sort of reasoning is why I really take issue with Ole.
If any passionate fan like me or you is not supposed to be a criteria to manage Man United. Ole playing football manager just signing top quality/hottest players for bumper fees and hoping it would all work out on the pitch didn't work, for good reason.
Thing with Donny, Sancho is they might be really good players but there was no plan on how to use them all together. Really what's ole's job then if all a Man United manager has to do is sign the top players on redcafes transfers forum section?
What he did is different than lasting impact.