He certainly didn’t help things
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So Rashford, Martial and Bruno having their best seasons under Ole don't count because it was during Ole's second season and therefore too soon to be credited to him in anyway.
And he didn't give youth a chance despite Greenwood, Williams and Chong.
He's also responsible for the mess Martial and Rashford have ultimately made of their careers. Years after no longer working with them.
That's an interesting style of logic you've got going on.
Valid points but it doesn't negate the negative effects Ronaldo probably had on that season.
Well the grass certainly hasn't been greener on the other side.
To me it's just become a throwaway excuse now.
He scored 24 goals that season. The alternative was Martial, constantly injured, ran less than Ronaldo. Or Cavani. Often injured. Type of person who goes on strike.
The mistake wasn't getting Ronaldo. That season would have been even worse without him. The mistake was not getting a proper new, long term No.9.
We scored more goals as a team before Ronaldo joined than with Ronaldo
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Nah mate he upset the balance of the team big time. He scored goals because everything became about Ronaldo. We were a better team without him.
And that's before we consider the widely rumoured negative impact he had behind the scenes. He didn't get on with Rangnick and was also difficult with Ten Hag and got himself sacked. So I'm not buying that he was definitely a model pro under Solskjaer.
Anyway I'll leave it there as this isn't a Ronaldo thread.
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They’ve bought a terrific young player Keny Arroyo who I think could really light up the league.
The half of the argument that always gets ignored.
And I still suspect that it was Ronaldo's off-field behavior that ruined things, as others are mentioning.
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I think Ole, who clearly loves the club, mistakenly presumed that Ronaldo also loves the club.
Ronaldo only really loves Ronaldo.
It was Ole's biggest mistake bringing him back and not being ruthless with Rashford's antics.
He seems like such a nice bloke and maybe he's realized how naïve he was here.
It's not ignored. I've personally countered it a number of times.
We're conceding more goals after Ugarte has arrived. So we blame Ugarte right using the same logic?
Posters with likely very little experience of coaching etc but are 100% sure they can nail down a drop in goalscoring as a team to just one player.
Absolutely impossible other factors could have been involved?
Greenwood missing two thirds of the season? Martial only managing a handful of league appearances? Cavani going on strike?
None of those things could have contributed to a teams goals drying up? As opposed to the striker who was constantly available and scored 24 goals.
Whilst Ole went along with it I doubt it was really his decision, and Rashford's antics?? He was the top goalscorer under him, I don't thing Rashford was a big issue then
Of course not, you could put literally anyone in charge of United and they would get us in the top 4/ champions league in consecutive seasons… oh wait.
Cause and affect.
Top 4 trophy in consecutive seasons is impressive… personally I’d classify a carabao cup win and a FA cup win as more important trophies in consecutive seasons but that’s just me
Some of his biggest haters around that time were adamant we'd do far better without him and have been proved wrong. Some still get wound up at any mention of him.
Slowly his reign at United is looking better and better. Certainly outperformed one highly rated manager (ETH) atleast. Hopefully won't be repeated with Ruben.
Yep
He was. There were reports of Ole not being happy with aspects of Rashford's personal life and I think he even brought it up once. Then he backtracked and it all went away.
Are we gonna pretend he didn’t leave us absolute in freefall? With poor Ragnick still managing to get more ppg with his squad and ending in 6th.
The highest and third highest goalscoring seasons (PL) was Ole's two full seasons in charge. No matter how you spin it he was our best attacking coach at least.
Oh but then we had fans calling it vibes FC and individual brilliance FC... where is all that now?
The problem with Ronaldo wasn't just running around in a pressing sense.
Martial was a very good hold-up player, who could also combine with other forwards.
Cavani used to make good (attacking) runs all the time.
Ronaldo was looking out always for his own goals. His attacking runs were all about his own goals, and he would rather have a shot than plan a 1-2. And everyone in the team was set up to feed him.
Martial was a very good hold-up player, who could also combine with other forwards.
Cavani used to make good (attacking) runs all the time.
Ronaldo was looking out always for his own goals. His attacking runs were all about his own goals, and he would rather have a shot than plan a 1-2. And everyone in the team was set up to feed him.
Yeah his last 7 games is definitely the measure to use and was guaranteed to continue of course.
Last 7 games
In his final 26 games in all competitions he lost 11, drew 5, won 10.
We were going downhill, fast.
Hardly a surprise. The talent he had attacking wise was night and day to this current squad. He’d struggle as much if not worse if he had the current ingredients to work with.
First 5 PL games played won 4, drew 1. Strange definition of downhill.Last 7 games
In his final 26 games in all competitions he lost 11, drew 5, won 10.
We were going downhill, fast.
People forget so fast. Just because we're awful now, doesn't mean we weren't heading in the wrong direction with him. His first signings were Maguire and AWB. For that alone no one should be pining for the "good Ole days".
First 5 PL games played won 4, drew 1. Strange definition of downhill.
Following 7, won 1, drew 1, lost 5. Conceded 17.
That continuing on from the previous shite end of the season was downhill yeah, fast. Shipping 4 to Leicester and just a few weeks later to Watford, sandwiching a 0-5 twatting at Old Trafford v Liverpool was downhill yeah.
James (sold for profit) and Bruno the next 2. 4 of our best signings in the last 6 years.
(yes the bar is low)
Yep that was a poor 7 game run like I said.
Shame we had to endure 70+ like that under Ten Hag before he got the boot.
Did he? Mou, Ole, ETH (first season) all basically played the same way. Only one of them failed to win anything. ETH second season was terrible but, yet again, he won something. ETH actually did something tragically no other manager post SAF had done in top 4 + a trophy.
It is sad we didn’t manage to win that EL final, it was a disastrous result all things considered.
Won nothing.
The following racked up a serious amount of minutes in those two seasons: James, Lingard, Pereira. We even brought in Ighalo on loan.
And let's not be revisionist when it comes to Martial. Is it not reasonable to believe that he played better under Ole because Ole was a better attacking coach than the others?
And let's not forget that you attack as a team. McTominay, Fred (a bit underrated to be fair) and Wan Bissaka being key members hardly helped with the attacking build up.
Which of the 8 above would walk into our starting XI now? Martial maybe, but then he'd get injured. Fred is another candidate, but he's a bit too similar to Ugarte I think.
Yes, Bruno carried Ole a fair bit, but he's still in the team! Rashford too (until recently).
Shame De Gea is a terrible penalty taker (and saver)
5 PL games previous, won 2, drew 1, lost 2.
The ETH went on to immediately beat Ole’s best ever PL points tally and won a trophy to boot.
The following season he despite a massive injury crisis, ended on just 6 points less than Ole’s second best season, but won an FA Cup vs. City.
He was shite still mind, as was Ole.