Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[RUCK4444]

yup clearly I dont!

I was merely responding to your comment that we are not playing well because Pogba was not in the team. Regardless of the mess with recruitment, what is the manager doing? do you see a tactical pattern to the play? do you know what we are trying to do in each game? what is it that we are doing with or without Pogba? Every team in this league has a pattern of play that we can see from the onset but I dont see anything with united, forget every game every move in a game is so laborious and predictable and that is not because of one or two players missing!

Stop with the inherited squad nonsense. How did Brendan Rogers do with his 'inherited squad' of players who were playing quite poorly? if you know you are going to get a squad of players then the manager needs to adapt to the strength's of his squad and that's what a good calibre manager does.

You obviously didn't read my post because you replied by stating by my thinking we should have won the league with Pogba in the side over the last two seasons. Which is not what I said, I simply pointed out that being without your best player the entire season is one of a multitude of reasons for our up and down form.

In answer to your questions about Ole.

What is he doing? I believe he is trying to rebuild United in the form of a young, talented and hungry squad.
He has been nothing short of excellent with the young players; Dan James hit the ground running and has been an astute signing, Rashford having his best season, McTominay improving massively, Williams looks class. Every young player looks confident and prepared in each appearance they have made, the manager must take credit for this (the same way he takes flack when the side doesn't perform.)

What is his tactical pattern of play? If you are asking what his style is (or will be), I think it's clear that we have implemented a forward press for the first time in forever, this I believe will improve massively with additions in midfield, this is fundamentally important for us to implement in the modern game going forward (none of the previous managers were looking to press.)
In addition to the press I like how good we have been at the counter attack. Although we have relied on it too much there really has been some top class counter attacking from a young pacey side, when I think of the United teams of old they were always deadly on the counter.
*I believe Ole's ideal style will be a high energy pressing team, full of young pacey, hungry players. We simply couldn't sign everybody we needed to provide this style in one transfer window. I for one have enough patience to see this out as I believe there are key points above that haven't been there under previous managers, not to mention if he does manage to finish 4th with this young and threadbare squad then it would be outstanding in my opinion.

People are too quick to forget just how low this squad was at the end of Mourinho's tenure, it was a disjointed, unhappy squad with absolutely zero confidence. It was the lowest we had sunk post Fergie (which is saying something.)

I'm not happy to settle for mediocrity like some would suggest, I'm looking for the quickest way back to the top as much as the next man. I fear people are missing what is really needed here, during this stage of the rebuild top 4 is the very best we can expect until we have another summer transfer window under our belts. I mean was anybody expecting more than that at the beginning of the season? Considering it's still entirely possible I don't understand the determination to sack Ole right now.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Spoiler

 

[Foxbatt]

You obviously didn't read my post because you replied by stating by my thinking we should have won the league with Pogba in the side over the last two seasons. Which is not what I said, I simply pointed out that being without your best player the entire season is one of a multitude of reasons for our up and down form.

In answer to your questions about Ole.

What is he doing? I believe he is trying to rebuild United in the form of a young, talented and hungry squad.
He has been nothing short of excellent with the young players; Dan James hit the ground running and has been an astute signing, Rashford having his best season, McTominay improving massively, Williams looks class. Every young player looks confident and prepared in each appearance they have made, the manager must take credit for this (the same way he takes flack when the side doesn't perform.)

What is his tactical pattern of play? If you are asking what his style is (or will be), I think it's clear that we have implemented a forward press for the first time in forever, this I believe will improve massively with additions in midfield, this is fundamentally important for us to implement in the modern game going forward (none of the previous managers were looking to press.)
In addition to the press I like how good we have been at the counter attack. Although we have relied on it too much there really has been some top class counter attacking from a young pacey side, when I think of the United teams of old they were always deadly on the counter.
*I believe Ole's ideal style will be a high energy pressing team, full of young pacey, hungry players. We simply couldn't sign everybody we needed to provide this style in one transfer window. I for one have enough patience to see this out as I believe there are key points above that haven't been there under previous managers, not to mention if he does manage to finish 4th with this young and threadbare squad then it would be outstanding in my opinion.

People are too quick to forget just how low this squad was at the end of Mourinho's tenure, it was a disjointed, unhappy squad with absolutely zero confidence. It was the lowest we had sunk post Fergie (which is saying something.)

I'm not happy to settle for mediocrity like some would suggest, I'm looking for the quickest way back to the top as much as the next man. I fear people are missing what is really needed here, during this stage of the rebuild top 4 is the very best we can expect until we have another summer transfer window under our belts. I mean was anybody expecting more than that at the beginning of the season? Considering it's still entirely possible I don't understand the determination to sack Ole right now.

You must be joking! The only way he knows how to play is counter attacking football by playing early long ball behind their defence. When they deny that he has no clue. The individual brilliance of our strikers have saved it for him. It was not a plan. When they could not do it he failed. We do not press as a team. It was individual mistakes of the defence that led to our success in the press where we have scored two goals.
The man has no indication that he has any idea about modern football and that he can't get anything right. He cannot even get a set piece right and its almost an year that he has been in charge. It certainly was not the lowest after Fergie when Jose was here. He was toxic but at least he won something with us. There was always hope that he would stop being toxic and go on being the success he was before. Ole has not won anything of note ever in his life as a manager. Winning the Norwegian League is nothing of note. We may as bring someone who has won the League in San Marino or Malta.

 

[croadyman]

Ole has to be banging on Woody's door and be demanding money to bring in two midfielders in this window, however I can see him just accepting the situation and using the likes of Jones & Garner rather than buying because he doesn't want to rock the boat with the current squad. I can see us creating nothing at all in games if we haven't got any kind of attacking midfielder for the remaining months of the season

He also needs to listen to what RVP said in his post match BT Sport interview about his demeanour seeming too nice and the players maybe not having enough respect for him as a result of that. I am not saying he throws people under the bus like we saw with Mourinho but he has to shown them who is boss or they will just walk all over him. The trouble is he knows that he is safe as houses in the job and the players also don't feel their places are under threat either which I think is leading to complacency around the club.

I do wonder what the likes of Greenwood has to do in order to get a chance to start in this team and yes I know he is still young but he really has to start Williams in more games because he offers so much more than Shaw. I think it's a shame that he just cannot seem to stay in shape but you just cannot play a player who is just constantly unable to keep up with play due to his poor conditioning.

I can understand where the people are coming from who want him to be sacked but like others I have serious doubts of whether another manager would be able to work with this pretty paper thin squad that we have at the moment. Still find it an absolute disgrace that Woody hasn't got it in him to appoint a DOF and hand the transfer control over to him.

Why do I get the impression that Ole will come up with the excuse of it being difficult to do business with the European championships this summer instead of the right players not being available line that he continues to use this window in order to take the heat of Woody and those yankee leeches above him.

 

[RUCK4444]

You must be joking! The only way he knows how to play is counter attacking football by playing early long ball behind their defence. When they deny that he has no clue. The individual brilliance of our strikers have saved it for him. It was not a plan. When they could not do it he failed. We do not press as a team. It was individual mistakes of the defence that led to our success in the press where we have scored two goals.
The man has no indication that he has any idea about modern football and that he can't get anything right. He cannot even get a set piece right and its almost an year that he has been in charge. It certainly was not the lowest after Fergie when Jose was here. He was toxic but at least he won something with us. There was always hope that he would stop being toxic and go on being the success he was before. Ole has not won anything of note ever in his life as a manager. Winning the Norwegian League is nothing of note. We may as bring someone who has won the League in San Marino or Malta.

Ok so we haven’t seen any form of pressing from this team? Are you watching the games.

It’s been discussed at length, we’ve won the ball high up forcing mistakes MUCH more often than previously

There has been a clear intention to press yet without fully having the personnel.

You think Ole is an idiot yet he has won against Pep, Jose, Lampard and is the only manager to take points off Klopp this season - that’s all just luck with the lads just turning up and chucking their boots on is it?

Your entitled to your opinion fella but calling other people idiots just reflects it back on yourself.

I think I’ve asked around a dozen times for the Ole-Out mob to suggest a replacement and plan going forward, any plan other than ‘just sack Ole.’ I’ve had no reply, do you have any suggestions?

 

[TsuWave]

Not that I am a Ole supporter by I have to say Injuries have killed his tempo. We massively missed the quickness of McTominay yesterday. He along with Rashford and Martial are the players who we can least afford to be injured. We were even doing fine without Pogba but McTominay is a huge player for Ole's system. Big blow to Ole.

At no point have we been “doing fine” this season

 

[hobbers]

Our defence is never organised. Our press is never organised. We have no pattern to our attack.

It is simply sit back, hope the other team come forward and leave space behind, win the ball and hit it up to the forwards and hope they can make it stick.

 

[Garethw]

United had never gone 500 minutes without scoring from open play until...Solskjaer.

United have never gathered under 30 points in the PL era by Boxing Day until... Solskjaer.

United had won their last 4 matches to open a new calendar year until...Solskjaer.

Since getting the job full-time, Ole Gunnar Solskajer's win rate at Manchester United is just 29.5%.

Ole Trivia.

You listen to some on here and it’s all part of the master plan mate.

 

[Jeffthered]

I'm actually amazed that we're somehow 5th. It doesn't feel like we've won enough to be that high.

It's because the current Prem League is so, so, so very average. Liverpool haven't lost in the Premier league for a calendar year. Really? You watch that team and you think they are unbeatable ?

They are v good, for sure. But unbeatable? Do me a favour. That's as much about the league, the opposition.

We are regularly pretty average to quite poor. And we are fifth. That says it all really.

Managers and players have a great chance (this season..) to make an impact (and con a number of people...) because the general quality is not that good all. Look at us. Spurs. Arsenal. Massive clubs, great resources, great history.. And for what? Chelsea are a little more consistent, but they are miles away from competing for a title.

 

[tenpoless]

I'm actually amazed that we're somehow 5th. It doesn't feel like we've won enough to be that high.

True but you only have to see the gap between Liverpool and the rest. The teams are underperforming.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He'll need a set team to have a set system to play. We mostly play a version of 4-3-3. He's talked about high pressing, intensity, fast attacking/counter-attacking play, full backs involved, etc. I don't know when his "master plan" will come to fruition. This team needs time. The avg. age of our first XI is something like 23-24. He can barely field a full team where anyone on here would agree the team is up to MUFC standards. One injury and we struggle. Two or three, we have no chance. Add to that players need to rest during the season.

Who's comparing OGS to SAF?

Sure previous managers have got rid of deadwood, just to replace them with more deadwood. You wanted Ole to keep Fellaini, Smalling, Lukaku? I belive most wanted them gone. He should have replace them? Yes. But a player cost today is 50mill+. Is a lot of money. He don't seem to be buying just for the sake of buying. We don't know everything happening behind the scene.

He has put faith in youngsters this season. Maybe he should have done it more, maybe less. I don't know.

You sound like you're trying really hard to absolve him from having any responsibility to do anything this season. Youngsters. Poor squad. Injuries. Same old stuff. He's been here for more than a year. His "master plan" isnt fit for a big club otherwise it would have been in place and clear to everyone already.

We sacked LVG after he won the FA Cup and 5th place. We sacked Jose after he won the EL, League Cup and the 2nd place. Yet people want to give Ole more time because he scored an injury time winner in the CL in 1999.
They say we do not know if he is good enough or not for the long term. Well what has done to show he is good enough for the long term? Why don't we hire Steve McLaren then? He managed England and was assistant to SAF and won the Dutch league with an unfancied side? Yes I know CAF will jump in revolt.
So you see how ridiculous it is to keep Ole.
Just in case he may win us the League or the PL some years down the line.

Yeah. We are meandering aimlessly now. It's evident that he's not the man for the job. But for some reason he's not under pressure.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's because the current Prem League is so, so, so very average. Liverpool haven't lost in the Premier league for a calendar year. Really? You watch that team and you think they are unbeatable ?

They are v good, for sure. But unbeatable? Do me a favour. That's as much about the league, the opposition.

We are regularly pretty average to quite poor. And we are fifth. That says it all really.

Managers and players have a great chance (this season..) to make an impact (and con a number of people...) because the general quality is not that good all. Look at us. Spurs. Arsenal. Massive clubs, great resources, great history.. And for what? Chelsea are a little more consistent, but they are miles away from competing for a title.

Agree. The league is very poor right now.

 

[The Leader]

I always give my 1000% support behind the team/manager, start from the 1st day I support United, 30 years ago, until OGS step in as our manager.

Allow me to ASL a bit, I am from Asian country, age late 30 and father of 2 kids. I always have to wake up in the middle of the night just to watch a United match due to huge time different. TBH is tiring but I am really enjoying it. I could watch a United match highlight all day long and it gave my mood a little boost after, until my wife nagging me why I keep watching the same shit tirelessly. Needless to say manager PC also one of my favorite, I learn a lot from them, how they handle the media, talk about tactic, formation.

Sadly, after OGS a year in charge, I STOP doing all this completely. That's a reason why I choose to watch United instead of my own country league, and sorry to say United play no better than my home league now. Don't get me start with OGS PC, I switch off the channel as soon as I see his face now. All he did is Overly-Smiley during PC, how he need more time, lose is normal, Greenwood is best finisher but always comes in late for a rescue mission etc etc. What trigger me the most was he always say something that contradicting everyone.

My son love football like I did, and ask me who should he support. I am surprise I couldn't give him a firm answer until today.

 

[Andrew Richmond]

Yeah. We are meandering aimlessly now. It's evident that he's not the man for the job. But for some reason he's not under pressure.

His job may be safe in the short term but he is under enormous pressure and has the weight of the world on his shoulders at present.

I don’t think it will eventuate but he really does need re-enforcements in this window.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

You obviously didn't read my post because you replied by stating by my thinking we should have won the league with Pogba in the side over the last two seasons. Which is not what I said, I simply pointed out that being without your best player the entire season is one of a multitude of reasons for our up and down form.

In answer to your questions about Ole.

What is he doing? I believe he is trying to rebuild United in the form of a young, talented and hungry squad.
He has been nothing short of excellent with the young players; Dan James hit the ground running and has been an astute signing, Rashford having his best season, McTominay improving massively, Williams looks class. Every young player looks confident and prepared in each appearance they have made, the manager must take credit for this (the same way he takes flack when the side doesn't perform.)

What is his tactical pattern of play? If you are asking what his style is (or will be), I think it's clear that we have implemented a forward press for the first time in forever, this I believe will improve massively with additions in midfield, this is fundamentally important for us to implement in the modern game going forward (none of the previous managers were looking to press.)
In addition to the press I like how good we have been at the counter attack. Although we have relied on it too much there really has been some top class counter attacking from a young pacey side, when I think of the United teams of old they were always deadly on the counter.
*I believe Ole's ideal style will be a high energy pressing team, full of young pacey, hungry players. We simply couldn't sign everybody we needed to provide this style in one transfer window. I for one have enough patience to see this out as I believe there are key points above that haven't been there under previous managers, not to mention if he does manage to finish 4th with this young and threadbare squad then it would be outstanding in my opinion.

People are too quick to forget just how low this squad was at the end of Mourinho's tenure, it was a disjointed, unhappy squad with absolutely zero confidence. It was the lowest we had sunk post Fergie (which is saying something.)

I'm not happy to settle for mediocrity like some would suggest, I'm looking for the quickest way back to the top as much as the next man. I fear people are missing what is really needed here, during this stage of the rebuild top 4 is the very best we can expect until we have another summer transfer window under our belts. I mean was anybody expecting more than that at the beginning of the season? Considering it's still entirely possible I don't understand the determination to sack Ole right now.

Since you have written such a long post. I guess it's fair for me to respond with one too

'Rebuilding' a word that is thrown around willy nilly these days. What is he trying to rebuild? there is no need to rebuild anything. we have good players we just need a proper manager to get the team playing well. Ole was hired in to steady the ship and if he sunk it to the ground and he is now talking about rebuilding then what does that say about his capabilities?

His pattern of play is to try to defend properly ( which we are not doing ) and then hit teams in counter attack at home or away that is all what the plan is. And i am afraid you are wearing your ole tinted glasses to think otherwise. Watch every players movement in the final third, watch how our defense moves the ball upfield. There is no tactical play involved, the aim is to pass it to our front three and hope they will string a few passes and then hopefully score.

I agree he has been good with young players, but other than them playing with freedom i dont see any tactical nuance to his 'coaching' them. What is Rashford doing now that he was not doing under LVG or Jose?.

Pressing? we dont press we run around and there is a big difference. it gives you the illusion that we are pressing. We dont press as a team.

The only thing I would give credit to ole is that he has brought some sense of atmosphere in the dressing room. Which is exactly what a care take manager is supposed to do. Ed messed up giving him the contract and now we are stuck.

No one is forgetting anything, we were decent under Jose, but it turned sour pretty quick and sacking Jose was the right move. But thinking Ole has a some sort of a long term plan to win the treble you are just disillusioned i am afraid. Look i am no expert in management or football but if i can see how predictable our pattern of play is then surely the smarter ones should see that pretty quickly.

Think about it this way - If this was Moyes managing our current team ( shudders!!!) with the style of play Ole is showing do you think you would be patient?

 

[kouroux]

Any manager who continues to play Lingard has no credibility to manage Man United.

This, should be a firable offence. I do hope the next manager, whenever he comes, asks for Lingard to feck off

 

[Darlington Padgett]

Abysmal stats but we should take into consideration Moyes had taken over a team who had won the league by quite a margin.

A team that wanted him sacked and wasn't playing for him also....

 

[Kopral Jono]

Since you have written such a long post. I guess it's fair for me to respond with one too

'Rebuilding' a word that is thrown around willy nilly these days. What is he trying to rebuild? there is no need to rebuild anything. we have good players we just need a proper manager to get the team playing well. Ole was hired in to steady the ship and if he sunk it to the ground and he is now talking about rebuilding then what does that say about his capabilities?

His pattern of play is to try to defend properly ( which we are not doing ) and then hit teams in counter attack at home or away that is all what the plan is. And i am afraid you are wearing your ole tinted glasses to think otherwise. Watch every players movement in the final third, watch how our defense moves the ball upfield. There is no tactical play involved, the aim is to pass it to our front three and hope they will string a few passes and then hopefully score.

I agree he has been good with young players, but other than them playing with freedom i dont see any tactical nuance to his 'coaching' them. What is Rashford doing now that he was not doing under LVG or Jose?.

Pressing? we dont press we run around and there is a big difference. it gives you the illusion that we are pressing. We dont press as a team.

The only thing I would give credit to ole is that he has brought some sense of atmosphere in the dressing room. Which is exactly what a care take manager is supposed to do. Ed messed up giving him the contract and now we are stuck.

No one is forgetting anything, we were decent under Jose, but it turned sour pretty quick and sacking Jose was the right move. But thinking Ole has a some sort of a long term plan to win the treble you are just disillusioned i am afraid. Look i am no expert in management or football but if i can see how predictable our pattern of play is then surely the smarter ones should see that pretty quickly.

Think about it this way - If this was Moyes managing our current team ( shudders!!!) with the style of play Ole is showing do you think you would be patient?

On bolded: depressingly enough, yes. The Glazer-enabling 'United DNA'/'we do things the United way'/'we're working hard'/'we're on the right track' brigade would still say that he's 'cut from the same cloth' as Fergie or some other tripe like that.

 

[MikeKing]

Even during the lowest of the lows this season some fans want to keep Ole simply because he fits their idea of a United manager:

1. Wants to give youth a chance ✓
2. Sold unlikeable players ✓
3. Bought more likeable players ✓
4. Knows the club ✓
5. Talks a good game about what United are ✓

For me reading between the lines on here, without any shadow of a doubt the thing that has endeared him to these fans the most is number 2 on that list. Getting rid of Lukaku, Fellaini, Darmian, Sanchez & Smalling was something they were desperate for and Ole gave them that. It doesn't matter that Andreas or Lingard are shitter than Fellaini or that some of these players would have been more than useful this season, Ole got rid of "bad eggs" and that proves to them that his long term idea is the right one.

I personally don't think the time to fire Ole is now, said it enough already here but it was after Watford, else if we drop to 8th again before the end of Jan, otherwise he'll stay the season. I do however think that a football manager is by far and away the most important factor in a football club (as well as obviously a CEO that can pick a manager) and I just don't see how anyone can go from what Ole has done so far in his career to being capable of being one of the top 5 managers in the World which is what is required here.
Nothing about Ole's Tenure so far has shown me that he's got any chance whatsoever of joining that elite group.

Good post. The post you replied to mentioned Van Gaal who won a trophy and Mourinho who won two, but missed to point out that we did not give them the sack because they won we let them go because of other factors. These other factors gives the 5 points you mention relevance as provides a different approach and idea to our previous coaches. Ole is a smart man, he has followed United and shares a lot of perspectives with the fans. Obviously it is different when you yourself is in charge, but I do think he has done pretty good so far taken into consideration our approach. If we continue our approach then I don't care if he is the manager or not, but I'm not trusting Ed as much as I trust Ole so I want us to give him a shot. He obviously have to prove something, at least win a trophy next season or even this season to remain, but it is worth the risk imo.

If it works, we're in a very good position to improve further down the road and look for a manager that has the same profile but more quality and experience than Ole. If it fails for any other reason than Ole simply underperforming, we know exactly where we have to aim our frustrations to find change. If United is appearing to be United for 2-3 years with a clear plan and still manage to feck it up then upper management. Ed has escaped a lot of criticism by letting managers go under pressure. Managers has a lot of importance, so for him to possibly fail in his appointment of 4 managers in a row is preposterous. You'll end up with a disjointed squad, no coherent tactics, transfer strategy etc. Nobody wants that, Ole may not be perfect but he does provide a solution to many of our fears. However, One main fear it does not help with is our fear of not having the right manager, which is rather conflicting, even for me.

It's highly unlikely he'll join the elite group of managers, but the same can be said for Arteta, Lampard etc too. In some ways, it is unlikely but at the same time, players becoming managers isn't anything new. So it is realistic to expect a few players to have good careers as managers. Ole has had a weird path, but I do think he wanted to manage United initially and looked at the Cardiff job as a quick route, while that obviously didn't pan out he sort of gave up and got handed an opportunity by SAF. I don't know what to make of it, but I want to see this through even if Ole fails. If it wont work then at least I want it to fail naturally, not prematurely. Club has certain standards and can only afford a certain drop before it has to rise, something Ole is aware of. Ole has to build a competing squad pretty much from scratch, turn our young players into winners and buy players who will fit in even when he is gone. This is the first season, and some fans lack of perspective is staggering. It is like the fans have given up, and you're seen as a traitor for trying to support the team. The summer will be absolutely vital. If we do not get rid of Jones, Lingard, Mata etc and buy quite a few players, my stance will change very quickly. While we do need a slow rebuild to ensure we're not taking backward steps we also need to be absolutely ruthless for that exact same reason. If Ole won't get backed, I see no reason to keep him, and we should just get Ed out of our club first then find a new manager we can trust with more than faith and hope.

 

[croadyman]

I hate to say it but the only players who would sign for Utd under Ole are championship level players or PL players desperate for a pay rise.

You can forget any european players too because they will want to stay well away from this joke of a club and who can blame them for that.

 

[Un4givableB]

You listen to some on here and it’s all part of the master plan mate.

It's the 'Don't believe the lying facts' master plan.

It seems like Woodward and maybe half the fanbase(Woodward couldn't get away it otherwise)have decided that competing is too hard at the moment and we need a time out.

Why else we would allow a journeyman Championship/League One manager at best, to mismanage our club?

 

[Un4givableB]

I hate to say it but the only players who would sign for Utd under Ole are championship level players or PL players desperate for a pay rise.

You can forget any european players too because they will want to stay well away from this joke of a club and who can blame them for that.

100%
I said in the Haland thread it would be career mismanagement for his advisers to advise him to join us.

 

[Bobcat]

Even during the lowest of the lows this season some fans want to keep Ole simply because he fits their idea of a United manager:

1. Wants to give youth a chance ✓
2. Sold unlikeable(deadwood) players ✓
3. Bought more likeable(Young) players ✓
4. Knows the club ✓
5. Talks a good game about what United are ✓

For me reading between the lines on here, without any shadow of a doubt the thing that has endeared him to these fans the most is number 2 on that list. Getting rid of Lukaku, Fellaini, Darmian, Sanchez & Smalling was something they were desperate for and Ole gave them that. It doesn't matter that Andreas or Lingard are shitter than Fellaini or that some of these players would have been more than useful this season, Ole got rid of "bad eggs" and that proves to them that his long term idea is the right one.

I personally don't think the time to fire Ole is now, said it enough already here but it was after Watford, else if we drop to 8th again before the end of Jan, otherwise he'll stay the season. I do however think that a football manager is by far and away the most important factor in a football club (as well as obviously a CEO that can pick a manager) and I just don't see how anyone can go from what Ole has done so far in his career to being capable of being one of the top 5 managers in the World which is what is required here.
Nothing about Ole's Tenure so far has shown me that he's got any chance whatsoever of joining that elite group.

Good post. I've always maintained he should stay until the end of the season regardless and then see where we are in April/May and then make a decision. If he had lost the dressing room, we might as well replace him today, but that is not the case so it would be utterly senseless to replace him now.

Results have been a mixed bag to put it mildly and whenever we seem to gain some momentum we have another setback. What i do agree with though is his long term vision and i think he has the right ideas. He puts loads of faith in youth and players like Greenwood/Williams has looked great under him and individually other players like Rashford and McTomminay has improved a lot. It is something that we will hopefully benefit from in the future and is what we need right now, instead of going out and splashing loads of money on ready made players that will only last 2 seasons. I would also like to add:

6. Done very well in the high profile games (Arse aside).

I just find his record downright bizarre. You can fluke one or two games, but consistently beating the good sides and dropping points to the midtable/lower sides is just utterly unfathomable. How can we manage to rip City a new arsehole for 30 mins and then keep the completely quiet at the Etihad or batter a Jose managed Spurs, but then get outplayed by fecking Watford and get hammered by the poorest Arsenal side in recent memory? Half(or something like that) of his games seems like a tactical masterclass, the other half it seems he has zero fecking clue. Its absurd

In other words, what hes doing behind the scenes regarding transfers in/out and putting his faith in youth is the right direction. The results though leave a lot to be desired for now. All that being said i fancy neither Poch nor Allegri to take us over. Poch is a bottler with zero trophies and Allegri is just Jose-lite. Nagelsmann impresses me a lot and ticks all the boxes for me. If we have a new manager next year him is the one i would have put my faith in

 

[Sky1981]

His job may be safe in the short term but he is under enormous pressure and has the weight of the world on his shoulders at present.

I don’t think it will eventuate but he really does need re-enforcements in this window.

Meh. He's got nothing to lose if we wanna be fair.

No reputation
No career prior

Being made united manager is a no lose situation for ole. If he made top 4 he'd strike jackpot, teams would employ him after us. If he doesnt then he's back to molde or its equivalent.

He really has no tangible things to lose apart from face

 

[Lam]

It’s disappointing to see the Club thinks that our coaching set up is good enough in this day and age. We are at least 5-10 years behind modern football teams. We have had Moyes who played 80s football, LVG thinking it’s 95 and Mou playing like it’s 2005. The current team resembles SAF last few years and we are nowhere near modern teams.

That said, I still think Ole is the right person and want the club to support him by bringing in great coaches. If we take a step back and look at SAF last decade, he was more hands off and had great coaches (even before that as well). But SAF was the best manager in the world and was always confident getting in coaches who knew better and he was never afraid of accepting such things.

The club should move in a similar direction with Ole as the head figure and have coaches who are the best in their profession and modern. I feel Ole is the sort of guy who, when provided with great inputs, will accept them than be stubborn and keep trying the same thing again and again. Also, since we are never going to hire a DoF, he could kind of do the hybrid Manager/DoF role which SAF used to do.

But, if we are getting a very very good DoF (and someone who will be there for a decade or two), then maybe we should look for a more modern manager than Ole.

 

[Sky1981]

It’s disappointing to see the Club thinks that our coaching set up is good enough in this day and age. We are at least 5-10 years behind modern football teams. We have had Moyes who played 80s football, LVG thinking it’s 95 and Mou playing like it’s 2005. The current team resembles SAF last few years and we are nowhere near modern teams.

That said, I still think Ole is the right person and want the club to support him by bringing in great coaches. If we take a step back and look at SAF last decade, he was more hands off and had great coaches (even before that as well). But SAF was the best manager in the world and was always confident getting in coaches who knew better and he was never afraid of accepting such things.

The club should move in a similar direction with Ole as the head figure and have coaches who are the best in their profession and modern. I feel Ole is the sort of guy who, when provided with great inputs, will accept them than be stubborn and keep trying the same thing again and again. Also, since we are never going to hire a DoF, he could kind of do the hybrid Manager/DoF role which SAF used to do.

But, if we are getting a very very good DoF (and someone who will be there for a decade or two), then maybe we should look for a more modern manager than Ole.

So... he cant coach, and we rectify that by employing world class coach so he can... i dont know... listening to their input?

Why not just hire a world class manager then?

Why does it have to be ole? Just because he knows what's being United is all about? Any 12 years old fans knows what's United is all about.

 

[FootyGirl88]

 

[Nickelodeon]

It’s disappointing to see the Club thinks that our coaching set up is good enough in this day and age. We are at least 5-10 years behind modern football teams. We have had Moyes who played 80s football, LVG thinking it’s 95 and Mou playing like it’s 2005. The current team resembles SAF last few years and we are nowhere near modern teams.

That said, I still think Ole is the right person and want the club to support him by bringing in great coaches. If we take a step back and look at SAF last decade, he was more hands off and had great coaches (even before that as well). But SAF was the best manager in the world and was always confident getting in coaches who knew better and he was never afraid of accepting such things.

The club should move in a similar direction with Ole as the head figure and have coaches who are the best in their profession and modern. I feel Ole is the sort of guy who, when provided with great inputs, will accept them than be stubborn and keep trying the same thing again and again. Also, since we are never going to hire a DoF, he could kind of do the hybrid Manager/DoF role which SAF used to do.

But, if we are getting a very very good DoF (and someone who will be there for a decade or two), then maybe we should look for a more modern manager than Ole.

Jesse Lingard says what's up

 

[Rajma]

When opposition fans are happy with our occasional wins as they know it will simply keep Ole longer in the dugout as we continue to vanish into mediocrity, it does tell you the story. In the past, we used to have our own campaigns for managers of the rival teams that were clearly out of their depth or did not have another level in them.

 

[littleman]

I don't get this continual defense of Ole, Pogba and Martial revolving around theme of "if they were given x then they would have done better". We also saw it with end career Rooney where defence of his performance revolved around putting him in midfield or striker or in the whole depending on which position he wasn't playing in.

An MUFC quality player or manager should be world class and that really means not reliant on excuses. That kind of quality warrants continued investment and building a team and era around. Spurts and stops do not.

And Ole Pogba Martial are the epitome of spurts and stops

 

[Adnan]

 

[Judas]

Taken long enough but it seems some media knives are finally being sharpened.

 

[e.cantona]

You sound like you're trying really hard to absolve him from having any responsibility to do anything this season. Youngsters. Poor squad. Injuries. Same old stuff. He's been here for more than a year. His "master plan" isnt fit for a big club otherwise it would have been in place and clear to everyone already.

Possibly. But what I belive myself to be doing is trying really hard to see the other side. Ole out, it's clear as day, he's not fit to be our manager, he has no plan, Lingard, Lukaku and Smalling, Cardiff, he said this and that, etc, etc.

There's obviously a plan. Re signings, style of play, youth, squad, probably communication even. The 'Ole out's' on here can most likely guess on the type of players we're looking to sign for this team. And who is most likely not to be a part of the team come next season. You/they might not agree on every player we in the end buy or sell, but there seem to be a plan in place.

This squad is not better then what we see. He should play Matic more? Or Mata, Jones, some prospect? Lingard should not play? Sure, that might all be. There will always be something not good enough. We should not have sold X player without replaceing him. Sure. Maybe. I don't know who makes that final decission. I'm guessing not one person alone. I wish we had better players right now as well.

May be in the end he is not the man for the job. But from what I have seen so far, from very good to very bad, I can not say that OGS is the reason we are not doing better. He and the club has to rectify many mistakes been done before OGS was given the job.

 

[Adisa]

United had never gone 500 minutes without scoring from open play until...Solskjaer.

United have never gathered under 30 points in the PL era by Boxing Day until... Solskjaer.

United had won their last 4 matches to open a new calendar year until...Solskjaer.

Since getting the job full-time, Ole Gunnar Solskajer's win rate at Manchester United is just 29.5%.

Ole Trivia.

If he wasn't a former player, he'd be long gone. I'd bet my life on it.
These stats are unacceptable. Completely unacceptable.

 

[R'hllor]

This, should be a firable offence. I do hope the next manager, whenever he comes, asks for Lingard to feck off

Dont kid yourself, we all know next one will pull out good old "clean slate for everyone, to prove themself" line before pre season starts or when ever. Like every single one before done it.

 

[Adisa]

The important thing to know about Ole is that he isn't a novice to management.
A young manager finding his feet can be excused.
Solskjaer has about 10 years of managerial experience behind him and it does't look particularly pretty.
So there's nothing to suggest there's light ahead.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

It's highly unlikely he'll join the elite group of managers, but the same can be said for Arteta, Lampard etc too. In some ways, it is unlikely but at the same time, players becoming managers isn't anything new. So it is realistic to expect a few players to have good careers as managers.

Mike... Arteta and Lampard are just starting out. One has been an assistant to one of the most revolutionary coaches in the World, the other, well, we have no clue really.

Ole though, he's been a manager for over a decade without showing anything very special anywhere so the chances of him suddenly becoming Elite are drastically lower than say Arteta.

 

[FootyGirl88]

The important thing to know about Ole is that he isn't a novice to management.
A young manager finding his feet can be excused.
Solskjaer has about 10 years of managerial experience behind him and it does't look particularly pretty.
So there's nothing to suggest there's light ahead.

This is why i dont understand why some people think it will get better. Hes not a good coach plain and simple.

 

[Adisa]

This is why i dont understand why some people think it will get better. Hes not a good coach plain and simple.

People are behaving like this is his first stint in management.
Ironically, his 10 year experience is why I thought he would be a good interim coach. But that ten year experience is why he should not have been considered for a permanent position.

 

[el3mel]

I think the perfect time for sacking him was after Newcastle defeat away. We had a 2 weeks international break and we had a good enough time to sack and appoint another manager early in the season. However we didn't.

For the moment it kinda feels pointless to sack with Jan transfer window beginning and of course the more we go into the season the more it becomes pointless.

So I guess best option currently is to let him finish the season. It's probably a write off anyway, with such thread thin skin I doubt we will finish 4th or win EL. Let him finish the season then appoint Poch in summer.