Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Negan said:
When Mourinho lost: “He needs to play the United way!”

When Solskjær loses: “Its not his fault. It’s the players!”

So why was Mourinho sacked then? :rolleyes:
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Mourinho spent on 10 players to park the bus at West Ham and Southampton etc :lol:

Ole takes Mourinho players and comebacks vs PSG whilst losing to Barce by self inflicted errors.

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Xaviboy said:
Just seen a video of Ole talking to media after match on Sky Sports app regarding the rebuilding job. He talks about the rebuilding job starting with the staff and players and that he has some very good players there but with one or two additions we will look to improve.

One or two additions doesn't sound promising. We need 5-6 players if we are to compete at all for silverware.
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Didnt i read somewhere we have 3 guaranteed players coming in for the summer? Maybe 4 or 5 depending on sales? I am sure i have seen something like that the last few days.

1-2 wont be enough, another top 4 fight at best
 
Only thing I think he bottled it at was his Young obsession and playing Lindeloff at RB.

Edit: And Lukaku not being in the team.
 
Of the two opposing views on his appointment I'm currently on the fence, as neither side has been proven wrong or right yet and only time will tell. Imo the only people who are objectively right, are those who say that, at least right now, he must be supported; after all, as supporters that's what we do, at least until it's clear he's not the man for it. Hopefully he is though.
 
I always support my manager, but last night was an exception.

Why the feck he didn't play Lukaku and Dalot from the start? There are so many questions but playing Jones at the right is the weirdest one yet.
 
I think he was signed on too early. 5 losses in the last 7 which include two cup knockouts. Everton, City and Chelsea left in the league. I don't remember the last time we played well, I would have to look it up it's been so long. I'm highly doubtful that he'll finish in the top 4. There are better and more proven managers out there that would be better suited to take the club forward I feel. He'll get his chance next season though and I'd highly prefer it to be in the CL.

Giving Young an extension and the armband is just such and uninspiring decision and doesn't suggest he's cleaning up or taking the club forward.
 
Lots of people are trying to rewrite history, Jose came 2nd with this team, yes playing boring football and miles behind City but still 2nd. The Glazers and Ed Woodward in their wisdom decided that Fred, Diogo Dalot and backup goalkeeper Lee Grant were our summers signings. Then Jose threw his toys out of the pram, seemly tying to provoke the sack and he got sacked.
 
I’ll be honest I think solskjaer is too good for us at the moment. He’s a guy who clearly wants to put the club first and steer us back to where we should be. He’s prepared to be patient and get it right over a few years. He simply doesn’t deserve to be at the command of a clueless and inept Woodward. The lack of vision shown for 6 years was evidenced last night in how we played and how somehow we still had 6 players starting that were here when fergie left. We’ve spend a fortune to do absolutely nothing.
 
Un4givableB said:
Lots of people are trying to rewrite history, Jose came 2nd with this team, yes playing boring football and miles behind City but still 2nd. The Glazers and Ed Woodward in their wisdom decided that Fred, Diogo Dalot and backup goalkeeper Lee Grant were our summers signings. Then Jose threw his toys out of the pram, seemly tying to provoke the sack and he got sacked.
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Bingo.

Mourinho needed to go, and he orchestrated it himself when he wasn't backed, but I'm starting to think that he was right about a lot of things.

And I also think he was/is also a better manager than the manager we've now gone and handed a 3 year contract to - but he'd lost the dressing room, which ultimately is his job to keep on side.
 
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Rhyme Animal said:
Bingo.

Mourinho needed to go, and he orchestrated it himself when he wasn't backed, but I'm starting to think that he was right about a lot of things.

And I also think he was/is also a better manager than the manager we've now gone and handed a 3 year contract to...
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I think the Glazers have been a plague on Utd, but in their defence, they are not football people and l honestly think they think there is nothing too wrong with our squad that 80m or 90m won't fix.
I can see Mourinho getting us to 2nd place confirmed their feelings and OSG's results at the start of his reign give a boost to those feelings.


Mourinho knows he's left a club that's not interested at doing what it takes to challenge or win.
 
We need a manager who has the balls to come in and build his own squad. Not giving sentiments to players like Young, Jones and Lingard.
 
Ole would need two transfer windows to fix things and yes, we need a DOF to work alongside him and not Woodward. The club need to plan going forward and not signing players based on their marketability.
 
I don't think we can expect too much of him with this squad. This group of players are legitimately awful. Barcelona are levels above in every area of the pitch bar goalkeeper.

He needs to be ruthless though, that's what will determine his success here. You can count on one hand how many players should still be here a couple of years from now. He needs to get that right.
 
It’s typical of our current shambolic state, that the one good thing we did this season - hiring a popular interim manager, to give us enough time to consider our best options for next season - we still somehow managed to feck up, by immediately bowing to the fist wave of populist pressure, and appointing someone well before a decision was needed.

I mean, I still hope Ole can prove himself to be the right guy, but why did we need to confirm it when we did? Wasn’t the whole point of the interim thing that we didn’t need to rush into anything? Isn’t it the exact same reactionary attitude that saw us give Jose a new contract half way though last season?
 
SER19 said:
I’ll be honest I think solskjaer is too good for us at the moment. He’s a guy who clearly wants to put the club first and steer us back to where we should be. He’s prepared to be patient and get it right over a few years. He simply doesn’t deserve to be at the command of a clueless and inept Woodward.
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Very true but Woodward is just the arm of the glazer's. Green and gold needs to start up again.
 
shaky said:
A meltdown because Ole's failed to turn the squad that Mourinho was steering towards mid-table into Barca beaters within 4 months. Got to laugh at some expectations around here. If Poch had taken over when Ole did, we'd be no better off and the knives would already be out for him instead.
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Exactly. Some of the posts are just laughably bad.
 
YzWayne said:
We need a manager who has the balls to come in and build his own squad. Not giving sentiments to players like Young, Jones and Lingard.
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Who is his manager who would have biullt his squad with no transfer window? There isn't much Ole can do except play the players available.

Only change from yesterday could have been Lukaku and Dalot for Lingard and Young. Even for that we played pressing game and won the ball in their defensive third few times, for that you need players who defend from front, not Lukaku who barely presses.

Young and Dalot is debatable but Dalot was shaky defensively playing as FB, so easy to see why young started as LB.

If next season we are relying on Young and other average players then serious questions should be asked about Ole's choices.
 
I think it was better decision to appoint someone as next year plan should be processed on time.
There are improvement on our playing. Even if we can't dominate possession we didn't park the bus as Mou. With full pre season we will be more coordinating team and we will implement what Ole want to do. Until next season no need of blame Ole.
 
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Frank Grimes said:
I hope when he said one or two additions are needed in his post match presser that he wasn't talking literally.
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He said that?

Hopefully it wasn't literal either. We need way more than one or two additions.

If it was literal- Ole is happy with the squad or Woodward is really a moron and thinks Ole can snatch top 4 with a full pre-season considering the current results.

I don't know which option is worse.
 
Mockney said:
It’s typical of our current shambolic state, that the one good thing we did this season - hiring a popular interim manager, to give us enough time to consider our best options for next season - we still somehow managed to feck up, by immediately bowing to the fist wave of populist pressure, and appointing someone well before a decision was needed.

I mean, I still hope Ole can prove himself to be the right guy, but why did we need to confirm it when we did? Wasn’t the whole point of the interim thing that we didn’t need to rush into anything? Isn’t it the exact same reactionary attitude that saw us give Jose a new contract half way though last season?
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Agreed. Nothing to suggest Ole isn’t up to it but should have waited until the Summer to weigh everything up and make smarter decisions. We all got caught up in a wave of emotion but none of us wanted to confirm it until the Summer - the board yet again prove their incompetence at the highest level.
 
Gopher Brown said:
I think our signings on paper aren't too bad, but I think our biggest problem is our utter inability to improve and develop our signings. I don't know what's happening in training, as I know we have had high-quality coaching staff in most of our seasons since SAF (Moyes-era notwithstanding).

How many of the following signings have actually improved their games since they joined us? How many have even maintained the standards which prompted us to sign them?

Fred - no
Dalot - yes?
Lukaku - no
Matic - no
Lindelof - yes
Sanchez - no
Pogba - no
Bailly - no
Martial - yes?
Darmian - no

Of the signings we've made over the last 5 seasons (who remain at the club) it could be argued that only one of them has made any improvements to their game. This is why we're falling miles behind the leading teams.
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Yes I would agree with that too, is it coaching or the players attitudes, who knows. Lukaku, Matic and Lindelof I all thought were bad signings at the time especially for £150m. Lukaku was never good enougn, Matic was the wrong age at a really high price, didnt think he was good enough but did well in his first season. Lindelof as you say, has improved. Has he improved from awful to ok, or is he a centre back that will do well for us with a really good partner signed, I know what I think
 
shaky said:
A meltdown because Ole's failed to turn the squad that Mourinho was steering towards mid-table into Barca beaters within 4 months. Got to laugh at some expectations around here. If Poch had taken over when Ole did, we'd be no better off and the knives would already be out for him instead.
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I mean, sure, but then the same squad also finished above Liverpool last season. The same Liverpool that are apparently now distant galaxies above us in quality.

People seem to forget that the reason we all wanted rid of Jose was because of how drastically he was underperforming with this squad. So we can’t just wheel out all the same ol’ excuses Maureen did to excuse Ole’s poor performances, can we?... Surely?
 
Frank Grimes said:
I hope when he said one or two additions are needed in his post match presser that he wasn't talking literally.
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fecking sent chills down my spine - early in he's softening the expectations

“But, as I said, we’ve got a rebuilding job but it starts with the coaches and players, and with one or two additions.”

how the feck do you rebuild with the same players and one or two additions?
 
Mockney said:
I mean, sure, but then the same squad also finished above Liverpool last season. The same Liverpool that are apparently now distant galaxies above us in quality.

People seem to forget that the reason we all wanted rid of Jose was because of how drastically he was underperforming with this squad. So we can’t just wheel out all the same ol’ excuses Maureen did to excuse Ole’s poor performances, can we?... Surely?
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They'll give him more excuses because he's a club legend and more like-able.

His decision to keep playing Young is mystifying.
 
Mockney said:
It’s typical of our current shambolic state, that the one good thing we did this season - hiring a popular interim manager, to give us enough time to consider our best options for next season - we still somehow managed to feck up, by immediately bowing to the fist wave of populist pressure, and appointing someone well before a decision was needed.

I mean, I still hope Ole can prove himself to be the right guy, but why did we need to confirm it when we did? Wasn’t the whole point of the interim thing that we didn’t need to rush into anything? Isn’t it the exact same reactionary attitude that saw us give Jose a new contract half way though last season?
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It's simply further proof that this club has no long term plan. Woodward makes it up as he goes along. It's no surprise we've been stuck in a cycle of repeating the same mistakes for 6 years when everything we do is adhoc.
 
Negan said:
When Mourinho lost: “He needs to play the United way!”

When Solskjær loses: “Its not his fault. It’s the players!”

So why was Mourinho sacked then? :rolleyes:
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I was a big supporter of Jose and realised that the problems were not all of his making. The problems ran far far deeper.
But I also accepted that he wasn't going to be able to turn the club around.

However, those problems are still the same. We are not good enough. Not just the players but from top to bottom not good enough.
It was wrong to have appointed him so quickly and that just summarised that problem.
No long term vision and no long term plan.
Just more of the same rubbish.
 
Mockney said:
I mean, sure, but then the same squad also finished above Liverpool last season. The same Liverpool that are apparently now distant galaxies above us in quality.

People seem to forget that the reason we all wanted rid of Jose was because of how drastically he was underperforming with this squad. So we can’t just wheel out all the same ol’ excuses Maureen did to excuse Ole’s poor performances, can we?... Surely?
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We got rid of Jose because he was doing a terrible job and wanted to sign expensive and short term solutions. Have people forgotten how far off the pace we were in the league and how awful we were in the Champions League under. Mourinho would have had us battling for 7th or worse. We did finish above Liverpool but times change they have improved dramatically we are still same United.

This group of players aren’t good enough to compete at the top level, and Ole has to reverse 6 years of poor management and recruitment. 4-6th in premier league and quarters of champions league is our level.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
It's simply further proof that this club has no long term plan. Woodward makes it up as he goes along. It's no surprise we've been stuck in a cycle of repeating the same mistakes for 6 years when everything we do is adhoc.
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Our plan seems to get to the top 4 and stop there. Once Mourinho show he can get to 2nd with the current team the investment becomes smaller (Which didn't sit well with Jose since unlike a lot of our players, he's a proven winner and he really wants to best Pep and Klopp). Ole also showed he can get to top 4 with the current team so I guess we won't invest big either.

We can blame Mourinho for a lot of things but it's quite clear now that getting comfortable top 2 with this team is an achievement. Winning Europa League, League Cup and get to FA Cup final is also another achievement. I have a feeling after the next several years Mourinho will still be the top achiever for Manchester United pos SAF (Does that make him top 3 Manchester United manager in history lol?) and people will keep finding another excuse for current management.

For Ole, I still trust in his tactic and motivation ability but I am very worried about his man-management. It seems Rashford and Lingard will be our core players no matter what and we won't invest in replacing or upgrading them. I don't know if he really rate Lingard or it's player power because Lingard "belongs" to the "core group", I really really hope I am wrong about this and Ole will change next year, but I have doubt.
 
Mockney said:
I mean, sure, but then the same squad also finished above Liverpool last season. The same Liverpool that are apparently now distant galaxies above us in quality.

People seem to forget that the reason we all wanted rid of Jose was because of how drastically he was underperforming with this squad. So we can’t just wheel out all the same ol’ excuses Maureen did to excuse Ole’s poor performances, can we?... Surely?
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The same Liverpool is pure BS. This is their first full season of VVD. Never mind Allison, Fabinho and Keita. Also the progress of TAA and Robertson.

Also, how are Jose’s failings this season Ole’s fault? On Ole’s form since taking over in December, we’d be in a title race.

I’d take your concerns more seriously if not for the timing.

Just sounds like more whinging backed by nonsense logic.
 
Absolutely unbelievable and unacceptable the way some of you have turned on Ole already.

Poch wouldn't have had us where we are today, we'd still be miles off top 4 and would have gone out to PSG. He's done a decent enough job at Spurs, but has been lucky that United, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool have all had moments of self destruction over the past few seasons, meaning he's grabbed top 4 due to the failures of others rather than his own success. He had a chance to win the league title and finished 3rd in a 2 horse race.

In the 2 games vs Barcelona, we've been undone by silly errors, with De Gea looking like he's not even the best 'keeper at United these days and causing panic amongst his back line every time he has the ball.

We need a big push for top 4. If we don't make it, that blame firmly lies with Jose, not Ole, who has worked miracles to get us to where we are, but has ultimately been undone by a 'keeper who has lost the only part of his game that was exceptional and a set of forwards who couldn't hit a cow's arse with a banjo.

Klopp started badly at Liverpool and has only really come good this season, we need to show some backbone as a club now, back Ole and give him the time he needs to fix the mess left by 3 bad managerial choices. If we don't do this, we'll become the club we laughed at for nearly 30 years as they stumbled from one manager to another.
 
Roboc7 said:
This group of players aren’t good enough to compete at the top level, and Ole has to reverse 6 years of poor management and recruitment.
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And when do we expect Ole to have the stomach to say that he needs to undo 6 years of trash and basically go through the squad with no mercy?

Because a rebuild with 1-2 additions, as has been quoted tonight, is buying 1 herrera replacement, and 1 other player.
 
Negan said:
When Mourinho lost: “He needs to play the United way!”

When Solskjær loses: “Its not his fault. It’s the players!”

So why was Mourinho sacked then? :rolleyes:
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Because he built a shit team in his image and he then went on losing that very dressing room only to expect us to build him a new shit team in his image again. Sanchez, Perisic, Willian, Toby, Maguire....that sort of team.
 
Give him time. He’s shown plenty of signs that he’s the right man to take the club forward.

I’m not going to slate him after a few bad results. It’s not his squad, he’s inherited a shit load of problems from the Mourinho/Woodward era.

I hope he’s as ruthless as he’s suggested. We need a huge clear out, and start to rebuild the squad over the next 3 transfer windows.
 
Mockney said:
It’s typical of our current shambolic state, that the one good thing we did this season - hiring a popular interim manager, to give us enough time to consider our best options for next season - we still somehow managed to feck up, by immediately bowing to the fist wave of populist pressure, and appointing someone well before a decision was needed.

I mean, I still hope Ole can prove himself to be the right guy, but why did we need to confirm it when we did? Wasn’t the whole point of the interim thing that we didn’t need to rush into anything? Isn’t it the exact same reactionary attitude that saw us give Jose a new contract half way though last season?
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This is a well balanced post IMHO. I couldn't agree more. In my mind, we should have gone for a DOF before focusing on any permanent coach.
 
PSingh said:
I hope he’s as ruthless as he’s suggested. We need a huge clear out, and start to rebuild the squad over the next 3 transfer windows.
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Huh? Where are you getting this from? All he said tonight was that he needed to rebuild the staff and the squad and that would be done with "one or two additions to the squad in the summer"

If we are losing herrera, we are basically doing nothing.
 
kouroux said:
This is a well balanced post IMHO. I couldn't agree more. In my mind, we should have gone for a DOF before focusing on any permanent coach.
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Isn't that what was originally touted? That Eddie will work with a Dof and Ole before we make the next managerial appointment.

I think what happened is that early our form under Ole gave Eddie an excuse to not appoint one. He doesn't want to give that power to someone else.
 
WPMUFC said:
And when do we expect Ole to have the stomach to say that he needs to undo 6 years of trash and basically go through the squad with no mercy?

Because a rebuild with 1-2 additions, as has been quoted tonight, is buying 1 herrera replacement, and 1 other player.
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I wouldn’t take that literally about 1-2 additions, but I do doubt he will have the stomach to recognise/address the issue. Nothing at the club is being addressed, I expect us to stu,blue along like we have for last six years for a good while longer yet.

Sadly I think Ole is already doomed to fail as he won’t get the backing and time required and he is going to have to do something he has never done before.
 
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