Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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fergiesarmy1 said:
It’s more the other way.

I’m just happy for him to be given more time, the Ole out crowd want him fired with no real plan after that but sacking him will solve the shit squad, shit CEO and shit owners overnight :rolleyes:
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Why are there only 2 camps? That’s the trouble with this place, if you aren’t one thing you must be another.

I shouldn’t have to be pro-OgS because finding a better replacement would prove difficult.

Replacing OgS isn’t replacing SAF.
 
dove said:
Huh? I look what happens on the pitch unlike some of you who happen to completely ignore that.
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So Moyes came in completely trashed the backroom staff, destroyed the moral of nearly every player and signed Fellaini.

Ole came in brought back the backroom staff, signed some great players and you want to treat him the same as Moyes

As I said - nice :nono:
 
90 + 5min said:
Can we throw in that Ole won against Brendan or is that not ok in this all Brendan and Leicester are so amazing stuff.

It was nog long ago Ranieri won League with them and brought in winning culture and mentalitet. People have short memories.
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Sure, but the evidence in favor of Rodgers far outweighs any evidence for Ole. Realize that people take into account a compilation of evidence, rather than single matches. It's the same reason why people bringing up "Well Fergie also had crap away matches just like Ole" is insane, while ignoring the fact that those matches were more of an exception compared to Ole where it's all we see and are hoping for one more fluke of a match where we score 4.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Why are there only 2 camps? That’s the trouble with this place, if you aren’t one thing you must be another.

I shouldn’t have to be pro-OgS because finding a better replacement would prove difficult.

Replacing OgS isn’t replacing SAF.
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Your absolutely correct there shouldn’t be.

I would be in camp 3, show me a better plan and I’m in. There isn’t one so I’m sticking with the better Red Devil I know.
 
Caliban said:
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Brings backs memories : https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...-hat-trick-as-United-humbled-at-The-Dell.html
Yeah man, and on this same ground Sir Alex lost 6-3 .. arguments are so funny, they are so easy do dissect .. so, in the end, what are arguments like this worth?
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These never ending posts comparing our current state with some Fergie games are making me sick.

We might get relegated and there'll be some here bringing article about us getting relegated 100 years ago so it's not much of an issue.
 
el3mel said:
These never ending posts comparing our current state with some Fergie games are making me sick.

We might get relegated and there'll be some here bringing article about us getting relegated 100 years ago so it's not much of an issue.
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Yeah it's much better to just be negative about everything. That'll do it!
 
In Rainbows said:
Sure, but the evidence in favor of Rodgers far outweighs any evidence for Ole. Realize that people take into account a compilation of evidence, rather than single matches. It's the same reason why people bringing up "Well Fergie also had crap away matches just like Ole" is insane, while ignoring the fact that those matches were more of an exception compared to Ole where it's all we see and are hoping for one more fluke of a match where we score 4.
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In that case we need to acknowledge the enormity of the job facing solskjaer after 6 years of utter rot, complacency, woeful squad management and almost every facet of the club in an appalling state
 
Random Task said:
I'm about 97% certain no one on planet earth has ever said that.

Possibly even 98%.
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You're right, but I think it's an exaggeration of people who argue in favor of Ole because he had a good signing in Maguire. They think his transfers are a reason why he needs to be given time or excuses.
 
cyberman said:
Is Rodgers building for the title?
Im not saying Ole is succeeding or is the right man for the job but is Leicesters squad good enough or is his style on the level to bring down Liverpool and City?
Because thats what Uniteds board are building for. Thats the players we apparently want to scout and sign.
Im not saying Leicester arent a great side but put them in United shirts and we would be tearing them apart on here.
Im sure a competent United manager could use our resources and dominate every other game and finish 7th.
This conparison doesn't make any sense. In a way Ole transfer hands are tied compared to who we can sanction to sign than Rodgers.
If that makes sense.
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You do realise we signed a Leicester CB for £80m in the summer? So what’s your point.
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
So Moyes came in completely trashed the backroom staff, destroyed the moral of nearly every player and signed Fellaini.

Ole came in brought back the backroom staff, signed some great players and you want to treat him the same as Moyes

As I said - nice :nono:
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Our coaching staff, just like the manager are one of the worst in the league. This line I constantly hear that Ole "signed great players" even though he clearly has no idea what to do with them is BS as well. We were linked with Maguire last year, AWB was probably the most promising right back in the league that half of Caf would have signed and then James, who I wouldn't call "great player" just yet. Not to mention that we paid ridiculous fees for 2 of them. I am not going into any more of this useless comparison with Moyes, they are as bad as each other and should have been sacked way earlier, or in Ole's case - should not been given a permanent job.
 
SER19 said:
In that case we need to acknowledge the enormity of the job facing solskjaer after 6 years of utter rot, complacency, woeful squad management and almost every facet of the club in an appalling state
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Don't think that would be a good argument. If we use that logic, why is it that Klopp did what he did after Liverpool were on the end of an enormous drought? Applying your logic would have every manager after Ole excused with, "well you can't expect much after 7+ years of waste from 4 different managers."
 
Alabaster Codify7 said:
Well. Pogba winning the CL will be because he's surrounded by better players for a start. Maddison turning into Cleverly will be because our manager and coaching setup is League 1 standard.

What I said makes PERFECT sense lad - all three of those players are much better than the players we currently have as our midfield options, thus, they would walk into our midfield. The only arguable one is Maddison/Pogba and even that isn't a clear-cut win for Pogba, I'd say its not too far fetched that Maddison is a better midfielder. Gun to head, in a functioning team, I'd choose Pogba. But if I was forced to choose Maddison I wouldn't be distraught.
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It makes no sense as you will have to explain to me why Pogba can leave here and go and play with ‘better’ players. But Maddison 1 cant play for Madrid he can’t even get in England’s starting XI and 2 can’t improve our midfield but he is a better player than Pogba.

Another idiotic post. Next you’ll be trying to tell me if Pogba was at Leicester Ndidi, Maddison and Tielemans would have him on the bench.
 
In Rainbows said:
Don't think that would be a good argument. If we use that logic, why is it that Klopp did what he did after Liverpool were on the end of an enormous drought? Applying your logic would have every manager after Ole excused with, "well you can't expect much after 7+ years of waste from 4 different managers."
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Klopps situation and solskjaers were very different. But equally pointing to the exceptional job klopp has done is of no real value to any discussion other than acknowledging he may well have done the same here but certainly not that his results at Liverpool could have been achieved by anything more than a handful of managers.
 
M16Red said:
Do you think Fred can improve? I knew Maddison was a good player at Norwich, the question is if we was to sign him from Norwich are you one of those fans who would have said "who" not good enough?

Pogba is 'injured" and I think personally he hasn't wanted to be here for two seasons.

I'm a Ole in - not because of 1999, because he has removed players we all know were not good enough and has done what he said he would and play the kids when he's had the chance.
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In all honesty if we signed him from Norwich he wouldn’t be playing like he does now. Simply as no one comes here and improves. That’s down the coaching. So Ole is a culprit of that.
 
In Rainbows said:
Sure, but the evidence in favor of Rodgers far outweighs any evidence for Ole. Realize that people take into account a compilation of evidence, rather than single matches. It's the same reason why people bringing up "Well Fergie also had crap away matches just like Ole" is insane, while ignoring the fact that those matches were more of an exception compared to Ole where it's all we see and are hoping for one more fluke of a match where we score 4.
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But not taking account that we got a thin squad that lacks great talent? How can people have a go at Ole without seeing bigger picture why it looks like it looks? Yes, he can and will make misstakes but who doesn’t?
 
In Rainbows said:
You're right, but I think it's an exaggeration of people who argue in favor of Ole because he had a good signing in Maguire. They think his transfers are a reason why he needs to be given time or excuses.
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Considering our last three managers have performed so poorly in the transfer market, it's nice to find one who knows what he's doing. That may not be enough to secure Ole's long-term future at the club, but it certainly does him no harm.
 
dove said:
Our coaching staff, just like the manager are one of the worst in the league. This line I constantly hear that Ole "signed great players" even though he clearly has no idea what to do with them is BS as well. We were linked with Maguire last year, AWB was probably the most promising right back in the league that half of Caf would have signed and then James, who I wouldn't call "great player" just yet. Not to mention that we paid ridiculous fees for 2 of them. I am not going into any more of this useless comparison with Moyes, they are as bad as each other and should have been sacked way earlier, or in Ole's case - should not been given a permanent job.
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Well how good was Moyes coaching staff, or for that matter LVG or Jose’s?

If your now willing to throw three club legends of Ole, Carrick and Phelan under the bus it says more about you than it does about United.
 
momo83 said:
But, apparently, Ole is a genius for signing Maguire for £80m. Then what does that say about Rodgers who didn’t sign a replacement for Maguire and instead turned to Soyuncu who was already at the club, and the previous season made only 6 appearances. Yet has still managed to improve the team and improve a player who the year before didn’t appear to be much.

Can you imagine the excuses made for Ole if he sold a £70m + player and didn’t sign any replacements... no need to imagine. Don’t imagine we’ve seen the outcome and the excuses.
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Exactly. He talked a good game about not signing midfielders and a striker. Only problem he cant improve what’s infront of him. I like Maddison for instance but I guarantee you if Rodger swapped him
For Peirera we’d look like we got ripped off.
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
Well how good was Moyes coaching staff, or for that matter LVG or Jose’s?

If your now willing to throw three club legends of Ole, Carrick and Phelan under the bus it says more about you than it does about United.
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What’s them being legends got to
Do with their current ‘coaching’ jobs.

Stop trolling.
 
So much shit on here honestly. You can have doubts about someone's managerial ability without being a twat about it, believe it or not. Really hope he goes on to ram it down some people's throats.
 
AndyMUFC said:
So much shit on here honestly. You can have doubts about someone's managerial ability without being a twat about it, believe it or not. Really hope he goes on to ram it down some people's throats.
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Pretty much where I'm at too. Why wouldn't you want the guy to do well, it's really strange. I swear some people on here think it's more likely that he'll fail than he'll succeed, and want to make sure they can tell people "I told you so" after everything's said and done.
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
Your absolutely correct there shouldn’t be.

I would be in camp 3, show me a better plan and I’m in. There isn’t one so I’m sticking with the better Red Devil I know.
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Whilst I’m generally a person who believes better the devil you know; what I know about this devil makes me near certain he isn’t the man for the job regardless of the other credible factors you originally mention.

The way I see it is, unless the Saudi’s overpay we’re stuck with the Glazers & in turn Woodward for the foreseeable which means transfers will be. . . methodical & generally disappointing so I find myself asking, could another manager be getting a better tune out of this squad? I think so but attempting to get a manager in October is ridiculously difficult so whilst I don’t think OgS deserves to be in charge we’d have to make another OgS type appointment in the short term.

The club won’t ‘show us’ a plan so it’s a bit of a redundant checkpoint for OgS to get the sack. Once a suitable replacement becomes available he should be replaced.
 
Mainoldo said:
Exactly. He talked a good game about not signing midfielders and a striker. Only problem he cant improve what’s infront of him. I like Maddison for instance but I guarantee you if Rodger swapped him
For Peirera we’d look like we got ripped off.
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Exactly. That’s what’s been irritating me about the Ole in crowd, most of whom take their cue from Gary Neville. Football management is not only about transfer window and buying players, that’s a small part of it. The biggest part is developing and improving the players that you already have and sign, also making average players play better then they are.
 
AndyMUFC said:
So much shit on here honestly. You can have doubts about someone's managerial ability without being a twat about it, believe it or not. Really hope he goes on to ram it down some people's throats.
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What constitutes ‘being a twat’? Genuinely.

I’ve not seen people say anything other than he is just isn’t very good & then pointing to his record across his 2 premier league spells.

I see far more bile in certain players threads.
 
AFC NimbleThumb said:
Whilst I’m generally a person who believes better the devil you know; what I know about this devil makes me near certain he isn’t the man for the job regardless of the other credible factors you originally mention.

The way I see it is, unless the Saudi’s overpay we’re stuck with the Glazers & in turn Woodward for the foreseeable which means transfers will be. . . methodical & generally disappointing so I find myself asking, could another manager be getting a better tune out of this squad? I think so but attempting to get a manager in October is ridiculously difficult so whilst I don’t think OgS deserves to be in charge we’d have to make another OgS type appointment in the short term.

The club won’t ‘show us’ a plan so it’s a bit of a redundant checkpoint for OgS to get the sack. Once a suitable replacement becomes available he should be replaced.
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So stick with him unless a multi billionaire benefactor comes in and showers us with mbappe and the likes?

That’s what I’m thinking.
 
AndyMUFC said:
So much shit on here honestly. You can have doubts about someone's managerial ability without being a twat about it, believe it or not. Really hope he goes on to ram it down some people's throats.
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littlepeasoup said:
Pretty much where I'm at too. Why wouldn't you want the guy to do well, it's really strange. I swear some people on here think it's more likely that he'll fail than he'll succeed, and want to make sure they can tell people "I told you so" after everything's said and done.
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I agree 100%.

Hopefully, for once, Ed will give the manager time to build his own team. It's obvious that the fans are unhappy with the results right now. But when it comes to export and import, Ole has done a fantastic job.

If you're expecting the team to fight for the top positions this year, you are delusional. There are so many players in this squad that should be no more than squad/reserve team players.

You can put makeup on a pig... But it's still a pig.
 
AndyMUFC said:
So much shit on here honestly. You can have doubts about someone's managerial ability without being a twat about it, believe it or not. Really hope he goes on to ram it down some people's throats.
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It would be sweeter for it, you know if it did happen they would just be waiting in the wings until we hit a bad spot again.

They are the disease of this club along with the owners.
 
fergiesarmy1 said:
So stick with him unless a multi billionaire benefactor comes in and showers us with mbappe and the likes?

That’s what I’m thinking.
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I wish :lol: but honestly, I just don’t think OgS has shown anything as a manager to mean he should be in the position.
 
In what tier do you rank Ole?

Tier 1 = proven world class managers - Pep and Klopp (CL titles, League and Cup titles)
Tier 2 = proven CL class - Pochettino (CL final, CL group winner)
Tier 3 = proven PL top 6 class - Rodgers (Liverpool, Leicester?)
Tier 4 = established PL class - Hodgson (Fulham, Liverpool, Crystal Palace)
Tier 5 = PL class - Sean Dyche (Burnley)
Tier 6 = PL newbie - Graham Potter (B&H)
Tier 7 = Championship level manager - ?

In my opinion this season Ole is somewhere between Tier 5 and 6. Last season he probably was between Tier 4 and 5 if I include his caretaker stint. I think that’s fair.
 
7even said:
In what tier do you rank Ole?

Tier 1 = proven world class managers - Pep and Klopp (CL titles, League and Cup titles)
Tier 2 = proven CL class - Pochettino (CL final, CL group winner)
Tier 3 = proven PL top 6 class - Rodgers (Liverpool, Leicester?)
Tier 4 = established PL class - Hodgson (Fulham, Liverpool, Crystal Palace)
Tier 5 = PL class - Sean Dyche (Burnley)
Tier 6 = PL newbie - Graham Potter (B&H)
Tier 7 = Championship level manager - ?

In my opinion this season Ole is somewhere between Tier 5 and 6. Last season he probably was between Tier 4 and 5 if I include his caretaker stint. I think that’s fair.
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OgS is no Sean Dyche :nono:
 
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