The difference is those were in the time of "one of those days" because they were odd results, yesterday wasn't, was seeing as be that fecking shite a surprise for anyone really? No. One of those days type performances are our normal, and games where we actually play well are the odd results. I don't get what people who think like you gain from living in the past, it's clear the club has the same issue too.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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The difference is those were in the time of "one of those days" because they were odd results, yesterday wasn't, was seeing as be that fecking shite a surprise for anyone really? No. One of those days type performances are our normal, and games where we actually play well are the odd results. I don't get what people who think like you gain from living in the past, it's clear the club has the same issue too.
Have faith, ole will make sure the boys knows what it takes to be a manchester United player
See we can blame Ole for so many things but blaming everything on him is just looking for reasons to blame him. He said many times he wanted replacement for Lukaku, only difference is he didn't make a scene in media and kept everything in the house.
I will make my full judgement on Ole in December. However these next two league games and Europa tie before the international break are so important. We lose all three, he surely has to go.
We are in a real shit way right now and I think Ole is performing as badly as his players. Also the coaches...do we have a finishing, crossing, set piece or positioning coach? What about coaching the ability of being able to pass 6 yards at least. It's a disgrace how bad we are at the basics, like amateur level crap!
What the feck is going on because a shite team from league one that are getting dicked every other week, managed to come to our ground and look no worse than us. It's depressing and I know there are old and young members on the caf but for me this is 100% the worst United team/squad in my life as a fan.
3 wins in 8 so far this season (5 in last 20). Very worrying figures and not many managers in world football would still have a job with this record.
I see no end to this anytime soon and in my opinion Ole will either be walking or getting the chop before the season ends, unless we have a ridiculously good January window and dramatic upturn in form.
We are in a real shit way right now and I think Ole is performing as badly as his players. Also the coaches...do we have a finishing, crossing, set piece or positioning coach? What about coaching the ability of being able to pass 6 yards at least. It's a disgrace how bad we are at the basics, like amateur level crap!
What the feck is going on because a shite team from league one that are getting dicked every other week, managed to come to our ground and look no worse than us. It's depressing and I know there are old and young members on the caf but for me this is 100% the worst United team/squad in my life as a fan.
3 wins in 8 so far this season (5 in last 20). Very worrying figures and not many managers in world football would still have a job with this record.
I see no end to this anytime soon and in my opinion Ole will either be walking or getting the chop before the season ends, unless we have a ridiculously good January window and dramatic upturn in form.
I went with benefit of hindsight. Van Gaal at that time made sense, same with Jose.
I agree with your last point, we should have had continuity but we hired a manager whose philosophy was 'team possession makes mistakes and lose games'.
Personally i never do that( ok i admit, i used few times word "fraud" but it was because language barrier). But i must ask you; why players can get abuse like clown, donkey and much more and Ole can't? I never saw that someone stood up for Lukaku, Jones or Matic. But if you call Ole like that( which, i repeat, is not nice), people will say that he is a legend, show some respect or things like that. Rooney is much bigger legend than Ole but man, he was abused a lot.
Spot on.
We look like we don't have a manager or training staff.
Even the transfers look like they've been mostly done without a manager.
Agree with you 100 percent. Why I fear we will always get the next appointment wrong. More luck if we get it right.
How anyone can still support Ole is incredible. We are going backwards under his so called management. We are awful. A half decent manager coming in now could still save our season and get us top four.
Nope. Merely pointing out knee jerk reactions over a cup result where we actually won the game, was just a cup result with our second string out, look at other PL teams results this round doing similar. I Dont get what people get from living to see us lose just so they can run on here to criticise a manager etc. Keep it up though hey? Im sure if you do it enough the board will chop and change manager and spend money until we start to win the quad every season and the self entitled plebs who ‘support’ this club can be happy again. Top fan!!
They are 17th in league 1. Rojo could sign for them and play upfront. The players don’t lack quality to beat Rochdale.
No one wants us to lose and be shite, we don't need to wish for it, it's a reality. Having your head in the clouds thinking last night was a one off when it obviously isn't doesn't make you a top fan either, it makes you deluded. If you don't want the best for the club, how are you a better fan exactly? Imagine settling for mediocrity.
I don't agree with abusing any legends. Players who achieved so much for the club will always be the crowd favorite and should be respected. You can always criticize them without using some dumb words.
I'm not sure if someone should really explain why calling Ole silly names is different from someone using sillynames for Lukaku, Matic. Next we have to explain how SAF, Sir Matt Busby, Sir Bobby Charlton are different from Jose, Lukaku, Matic.
We can find plenty of excuses. He was the manager at the time, he oversaw the state of the squad. It is what it is and we are where we are.
Many posters are hellbent trying to find whatever excuses possible just not to accept that he's an average manager.
He said multiple times he's happy with the squad and has to bear the responsibilities of that when he fails. It isn't looking for a reasons. Our football is shite, we have no plan, we didn't properly rebuilt areas in the squad, we left our squad open to injury crisis only if we lose one player. You can blame the management all you want but they haven't got clue about football and deciding the team was ready for the season is on the coaching staff.
Maybe after couple of months of the same shite and him breaking all sorts of negative records would probably make it even harder for you to find any more excuses about him.
If that was Moyes he would have been crucified by now, yet you have fans constantly defending him for being shite. We actually deserve to have him 2-3 more season to finish his 'plan'.
Yet again... who? Ben Yedder? Mandzukic? Dybala (the famous swap deal). He told Lukaku he could go before the window opened so who the hell was his replacement?
Without a DOF. It was silly to leave it to the board to help him with a target. Tell them who the hell you wanted.
Remove the fact he's a club legend, and not a single person would be defending him, not one. He's getting away with this because of who he is.
Unfortunately this.
Well we know why they are and those names should never get abuse. But Ole the player is not Ole the manager and he sits with Jose, Lukaku and Matic not SAF and SMB. Hence why you might get people calling him silly names.
The way he handled the CF situation was piss poor.
Our attackers were Pereira, Lingard, Chong and Greenwood. The first two are having problems scoring a handful over the course of a season and the last two are talents who are making their first steps. Chelsea could have loaned the 4 of them to a similar club like Rochdale. United are seriously lacking in the attacking department.
Sack him. Get him out.
You did? You are a strange fella who seem to get high on misfortune. Also likes to twist things, and somehow it gets under the radar of most.
Still unable to answer the question on coaching I see, and as usual answer questions with another question.
Here is another one for you. And it’s not me calling you stupid!
“Already people are talking of Ole getting the sack. And it can’t get more stupid than that. It can’t be. It would be a complete parody.”
Mark Chapman BBC
And people are criticizing Ole for clapping and smiling!? The mind boggles.. The real fans on the stadium was chanting his name. What was he suppose to do? Give them the finger?
I don't know. He said at least in 2 interviews that he wanted replacement.
No, he doesn't sit with Lukaku, Matic or Jose. Ole is Ole, you don't like the manger and want him out? Fair enough. There is no need to call him cretin, donkey and other pathetic names.
Emotions are ruining this club at the moment. We hired manager purely because of that, we give new contracts to players because they were great servants, we wait too long with sacking manager because "we are not that kind of club", etc....
Always knew there is no point discussing anything with you. Good day.
What emotions? There is more criticism and people want him out than people who want him as manager. It's like few people read couple of opinions and assume how everyone wants Ole as manager forever.
It was a cup result and we did win but the worrying thing was the performance mirrored previous performances, not just for the opening of this season but the last games of last season. Last night wasn't a one off, second string or not. And let's face it, that second string contained some very experienced international players. No disrespect to Rochdale but our second string SHOULD be able to wipe them aside.
I don't like chopping and changing managers, if it was up to me I'd have given LVG another year, but Ole is one of the most lovable legends this club has ever produced and it is awful seeing this happening to him but he is not up to the job and should be taken out of this situation quickly for all of our sake.
Moyes wasn't a club legend and people still defended him when he was about to be sacked. People just love to build their own narrative.
What answer about coaching? I've put many posts in relation to coaching, tactics, etc in case you missed them you can scour through the thread.
You have the strong belief that Ole will make it let's put money on it and put it where your mouth is. Are you willing to back your belief or just spout random gibberish?
I didn't for one bit criticized him for clapping and smiling - you are confused once again.
Well who’s fault is that? Like I said with my Rojo point any of our players could go there and bad that team up. Piereira would probably look like Coutinho for them. The point it we didn’t lose because of quality, we lost because of no system and no confidence. But it’s all a mess. Chong has spent two seasons messing around in the reserves where he clearly needs a loan. We sent Andreas to the Spanish league twice and if we really wanted him to play this knuckle up football why wasn’t he sent on loan to Burnley? We are clueless and with no DOF all these failings fall on the manager.
Yeah, it's not his fault in your eyes and it will never be. Always the board. Keep up the blind faith.
What are you talking about? Liverpool did not roll over Dons. They only scored due to a colossal mistake on Dons part. Enough with this "Everyone in the world is better than us" mentality.
Different time and different situation entirely. A huge number of Utd fans had never seen a new manager at the club, and were literally told to back him by Fergie, it's not a surprise the loyalty Moyes got.
At least read the post properly, it might be hard but at least try.I was talking about board, not fans.
People still defended Van Gaal when we had such a shit few months, people defended Jose when everyone and their dog knew it was time to go, even Jose said he deserves to be sacked but people defended him. ManUtd fans will always back manager, at least few of them. People change their opinion at different times.
Maybe create your own view instead of i don’t know. He said he wanted a replacement but all the leaked replacements apart from Ben Yedder was reactive swap deal crap. That tells me he didn’t have a clue who we was trying to get. Again he was happy to have Martial and Rashford. That was the plan.
No.. he does sit there. He’s a crap manager. Like they was crap player/managers for us.
Yeah, I agree with that. We are not proactive, we leave it too late to make decisions.
Certainly Ole has some issues at this level, but to blame him for not signing players is false. That blame goes to the Hooray Henry in charge of the club, Ole always said he wanted another striker and strengthen the midfield.
We were bombarded with names that led to its usual dead end by Woody, after failing to move on the usual a suspects, he ditched Sanchez , Laukaku and Smalling close to the deadline and signed no cover. The common denominator across the last 3 managers and the appointment of Ole, and you choose to blame Ole. Interesting.
We were bombarded with names that led to its usual dead end by Woody, after failing to move on the usual a suspects, he ditched Sanchez , Laukaku and Smalling close to the deadline and signed no cover. The common denominator across the last 3 managers and the appointment of Ole, and you choose to blame Ole. Interesting.
Be careful some of the deluded ones on here will swear blind that Ole only intended to use Rashford as a winger. It just goes to show how inept the manager is.
Rashford starts playing as the lead striker, Lukaku despite being in good goal scoring form then becomes unhappy given his treatment. Lukaku leaves during summer, less than three games into the season the manager realises that Marcus is garbage and so decides to give the responsibility to Martial upfrontWe have lost 20/25 a season goal scorer to be replaced with two inexperienced inside forward who neither have had a full season as a 9.
I couldn't agree more. On Ole: I don't think I want him out just yet, simply because our problems run way deeper than just the manager. But he hasn't been making things easy for himself.
Football at the highest level today isn't the same sport as it were fifteen years ago, where you could easily get away with the job by just being a manager and very little else. These days a manager at this level needs to be a lot more than that; tactically one has to be adept, on the pitch one needs to direct the team in terms of a definite style of play, basically the whole lot.
He might be a good manager for what it's worth but I don't think he's good enough at this level right now. I just hope he learns fast.
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