This is one of the best posts I've read in the Cafe for a long time. Agree 100%.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Would you feel inspired by an Ole half time team talk if you're in that dressing room,just feels to me like he isn't capable of getting tough with them when they aren't doing enough and using nicknames doesn't help either.
People make a very good point when they say it's going to be hard to attract top players to the club with Ole in charge,sounds to me like he is just not rated by people outside of Utd.
There is also the worry about current players jumping ship due to being fed up of working under him too.
People make a very good point when they say it's going to be hard to attract top players to the club with Ole in charge,sounds to me like he is just not rated by people outside of Utd.
There is also the worry about current players jumping ship due to being fed up of working under him too.
Well, why would he be? He achieved nothing, and was beginning to have a good time with Molde.
I said at the time, he shouldn't be first choice and we should've waited until the end of the season to see how things pan out and who's available on the market.
But we didn't and here we are.
I'll still be supporting Ole, but his lack of answers and tactical ability so far, worries me very much, even accounting for the injuries.
Let's give him time, it's our best bet atm.
How is it our best bet? What has he shown on the pitch these past months to warrant us giving him time?
I see stagnant, risk-averse, naive management. Why does that warrant more blind faith?
Pochettino is likely going to be available very soon. Are you suggesting we don't jump at the chance to bring someone of his calibre here if we have the chance?
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I think a lot of our fan base subscribes to the infinite monkey theorem "The infinite monkey theorem states that a monkey hitting keys at random on a typewriter keyboard for an infinite amount of time will almost surely type any given text, such as the complete works of William Shakespeare."
Similarly Ole given enough time will be able to win a title here.
Similarly Ole given enough time will be able to win a title here.
Thanks mate. Vast majority
Anyway, i can take that. And not going to cry for mods or chop and change quotes out of context either. Never called a poster an idiot, for the record off course. I called post`s like this cringeworthy and idiotic. It is not an opinion to be debated. Its not even an opinion. Just just like a lot of other posts on this thread . Embarrassing drivel.. Did you read his take on what part of the team was important for Klopp style football, pep style and for Ole? That is an opinion. Clueless about football, as everyone knows how important fullbacks and ball playing keepers and center backs are. But still an opinion. We all bow to your superior football knowledge.Thanks mate. Vast majority
Of course why shouldn't we considering you have watched football a lot! 
This is a major issue, and it highlights the lack of tactical awareness by Ole because by Ole's own admission, he wants United of old. Well he played in alot of games under SAF where teams came to United to soak pressure, especially at OT, so this shouldn't come as a surprise to him.
Even the games we have won which were great results Spurs away, PSG away, Arsenal and Chelsea away in the cup, they are all against teams that come at you and you counter. Well, as United we should not be sitting and waiting for teams to come at us.
You will get 6/7 games like that a year, City and Pool home and away and away to Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea.
The rest of the games most teams will sit and defend because it is United's biggest weakness. So far under Ole's reign we have not seen creativity, which is so disappointing.
He had to strengthen at RW and in midfield to give himself a chance. Why he didn’t or how much he is to blame for that I have no idea but to get this squad playing to a level where he can keep his job for next season is probably beyond his ability.
Arsenal and Newcastle games are huge for him now, needs four points from those games as we’ll be humiliated by Liverpool again his position could be verging on untenable already.
Arsenal and Newcastle games are huge for him now, needs four points from those games as we’ll be humiliated by Liverpool again his position could be verging on untenable already.
Ole has to realise teams playing V United find it so easy to play us.
Any manager scouting us to play against us and has any sense of football knows exactly how to beat us:
1. Don't concede a penalty
2. Sit back and press once United cross the half way line
3. Counter attack
4. Coast home to victory / draw
Teams know that we have little to no creativity
Teams know there is NO danger in the air
Teams know we are weak at set pieces
Block the midfield area forcing us wide and we waste possession
The thing is that teams don't really need to defend against us that well either.
What is worse, teams don't really have to attack well either, they need a 10 min phase in a game and we crumble.
Any manager scouting us to play against us and has any sense of football knows exactly how to beat us:
1. Don't concede a penalty
2. Sit back and press once United cross the half way line
3. Counter attack
4. Coast home to victory / draw
Teams know that we have little to no creativity
Teams know there is NO danger in the air
Teams know we are weak at set pieces
Block the midfield area forcing us wide and we waste possession
The thing is that teams don't really need to defend against us that well either.
What is worse, teams don't really have to attack well either, they need a 10 min phase in a game and we crumble.
Say what? Im just curious how you come the conclusion on coaching credentials? I’m sure that is something you found out watching united games on tv.. Or was it something else, maybe?We all bow to your superior football knowledge.
Moyes 2.0 can't disagree with most of his points.
Agreed on all points dude. If you were an opposing manager looking at us at the moment, where would you really be seeing threats coming from aside from Dan James?
That is the truly sad state of all things, we can't be seen as a major threat to any team above us and ripe for the taking by teams below us. There's no magic that Ole can sprinkle on this other than go shopping in January ... which we absolutely need to do and if the manager and Woodward aren't already drawing up a shopping list then they are crazy. Never before in my time following Utd has a January window been or felt so important ... and we're only in September for crying out loud.
1. Sells striker, doesn't buy a replacement forward. Striker moves to a CL club, under a better manager and has scored 3 goals in the league already
2. Emphasis on fitness in pre season, Shaw and Martial pick up muscle injuries. Having a thin squad and applying methods which lead to higher risk of injury did not come across as a fecking stupid idea?
3. Leaves heavy pressure on Rashford and heavy exertion on his fitness, then picks up a groin injury
4. Poor team selection, nonsensical midfield two of Scott and Pogba being one example
5. In game substitutions are fecking wank
6. Tactically has looked bad for a long time now
7. Inability to score more than 1 goal since the opening game
8. Terrible run of form in general
That's just a few examples. That's without even looking at the fact he has never managed at this level before joining us.
2. Emphasis on fitness in pre season, Shaw and Martial pick up muscle injuries. Having a thin squad and applying methods which lead to higher risk of injury did not come across as a fecking stupid idea?
3. Leaves heavy pressure on Rashford and heavy exertion on his fitness, then picks up a groin injury
4. Poor team selection, nonsensical midfield two of Scott and Pogba being one example
5. In game substitutions are fecking wank
6. Tactically has looked bad for a long time now
7. Inability to score more than 1 goal since the opening game
8. Terrible run of form in general
That's just a few examples. That's without even looking at the fact he has never managed at this level before joining us.
We are relying on James who Ole when he signed called him "one for the future" shows the state we are in. Could you imagine if we signed an actual forward how much more potent James would be as well as he would get more space.
Saying that, we thought this summer would have been important and exciting, but we made our attack weaker. It is September and no one is excited to watch United play, that is a a sorrow sight.
It has come to the point where we start Mata and Perreira and they offer nothing, why not change it and start Gomes and Greenwood. I know people might say you cannot rely on youngsters etc but it is contradictory when they say if you are good enough you are old enough. I.e Rooney, messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe were / are all regulars by 18/19 even Rashford to an extent.
Jadon Sancho at 19 is starting week in week out at Dortmund. Gomes is 19, why do we always insist on bleeding them in slowly when the current crop are not good enough.
Everything about him is fantasy. Relying so heavily on the young forwards is fantasy. The pre season and running more and harder despite our limitations is fantasy. It's the type of thing a fan sits at home and dreams about but in reality it doesn't work. The guy is just embarrassingly naive.
https://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/i/vmBaJB/solskjaer-lo-av-eget-rashford-bilde-han-har-alt
Look at this, he was literally at home with a Rashford t shirt draped over his television.
Every week it becomes more apparent he is out of his depth. Why wouldn't he be? He fecking managed Cardiff and Molde.
https://www.vg.no/sport/fotball/i/vmBaJB/solskjaer-lo-av-eget-rashford-bilde-han-har-alt
Look at this, he was literally at home with a Rashford t shirt draped over his television.
Every week it becomes more apparent he is out of his depth. Why wouldn't he be? He fecking managed Cardiff and Molde.
I don't think relying on him is a terrible thing, he seems a good lad and up for it. Yeah, DJ would be great alongside a proper striker and even better if we could please, please, please get similar over on the right.
This summer wasn't terrible for players in on the face of it. I think we actually bought very well. But why Lukaku and Sanchez were allowed to leave without bringing in replacements was as bad a decision as I've seen a Utd manager / CEO make in years.
Mata can still offer something played strictly as a number 10 with no defensive responsibilities. Perreira should be 2nd tier squad reserve and nothing more.
Exactly! But Sancho is already a much better player than Gomes and Chong. Greenwood could be as good but 17 is very young.
All very valid points but I do think we have made mistakes in leaving us short, but this was partly Ole's call and if he thought the youngsters could do it, he needs them to step up and give them game time not 10 mins
Mata can only provide something when you have players willing to make runs and play quicker, not when you have Rashford who didn't look interested and Perreira who as you say is reserve at best.
I agree 17 is young but he can give him some game time, Gomes is 19 so he could play week in week out.
Greenwood is going to get plenty of game time I think, especially with Rashfords fitness now an issue. He'll be ok and is something Rashford isn't ... a natural goalscorer.
Not sure Gomes is ready yet but should get games no doubt.
The paper(s) are saying we're thinking about Mandzukic in January.
I would say 'you couldn't script it' but that would be a lie because I actually did script this, in the summer.
I said we'd end up panicking and doubling the figure for Mandzukic in January (35m or something) due to under-performing and/or injured strikers.
A proactive manager/board would have looked at our options, our injury record and gone "right you know what, he doesnt quite fit our plan of action but 20m on Mario is a sensible cover option for the season. Do it".
But then we've proven sinc 2013 that we are nothing more than a reactive, panic-driven club.
I would say 'you couldn't script it' but that would be a lie because I actually did script this, in the summer.
I said we'd end up panicking and doubling the figure for Mandzukic in January (35m or something) due to under-performing and/or injured strikers.
A proactive manager/board would have looked at our options, our injury record and gone "right you know what, he doesnt quite fit our plan of action but 20m on Mario is a sensible cover option for the season. Do it".
But then we've proven sinc 2013 that we are nothing more than a reactive, panic-driven club.
You make a strong argument there Haram, as usual. Only, think you missed in that link Ole was having a laugh. Other than that, strong man!
Where was haram's energy when his idol Mourinho was pissing money up the wall for three summers and making us play worse?
Never seen that. That cannot be real, surely?
I'll let you catch up when the season progresses. Then we can "dissect" your almighty footballing and coaching knowledge and how your views of progression came through?
Will you put money where your mouth is - £500 Ole won't make it here. Are you willing to take this bet?
Agreed, Also there's no way in hell that Gomez, Garner, Greenwood would do any worse than Mata, Matic, Perreira, JLingz so what's the big deal? Risk them losing confidence if they're on the end of a loss? maybe, but the rest of the team isn't showing anything so just do it! If Ole started Greenwood & Gomez and we still lost then fair enough, he wouldn't be getting the stick he's currently receiving.
Why did he give him the #10? #19 suited him just fine.
fecking hell, what a way to twist things. Ole did that when Rashford scored brace against Liverpool and now fans are using it against him. Pathetic but not surprised.
He was celebrating ManUtd's win over Liverpool when Rashford scored the brace, as usual Jose fan boys twisted it.
Yeah, but, you forgot the spirit of 99! He just gets us ya know?
I am twisting nothing. Ole's ideas are all fantasy. He was a fan sitting at home and the things he is trying to do are not working in real life.
The poster also brings up Jose for no reason. Childish comments about being a "fanboi" because he knows deep down he is wrong.
The poster also brings up Jose for no reason
. Childish comments about being a "fanboi" because he knows deep down he is wrong.
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I get what you mean, it seems Greenwood is on top of the pecking order but what worries me is even though he may not be ready, surely trying him out over Perreira?
The difference is we play these players lose one game and Ole goes back to type and starts Matic, Perreira but why not give the youngsters 3/4 games then if they are not good enough you have to say fair point they are not good enough.
We are so bad in Midfield, but we have waited 6 games to get Fred fit? whereas Salah and Mane took 2 games to get fit. Well, why not give Garner a go V Astana at home instead of Matic when you have Matic starting Sunday too?
Some of Ole's team selection doesn't make sense.
Why is everything a Jose fan boy spin?
Not saying I agree with his views. I don't think the tweet has anything to do with Ole as a manager.
Because he is?
What a twat for supporting United and being happy because Rashford scored two against Liverpool.
Speak for yourself, OGS was the perfect interim but he was not even close to the solution for our managerial problems. Not even the current best managers - Klopp/Guardiola can setup a team to play like they want that soon, the fact that we played like that 10-15 games is not due to OGS, he probably just let the team do their thing, the longer he is staying- the crapper we are becoming. This is clearly due to OGS' lack of coaching.
You're talking too much sense.... I'm sure the non-factual's will bring you down a peg or two though; talking about team moral and removing deadwood. Like Ole was the only manager in the world who could do that.
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