Jose was always correct about that squad. People simply conflated Solkjaer's miracle work with a squad with terminal problems with Mourinho being wrong. If anything Solskjaer is not being given the credit he deserves. For he could salvage what was a pretty hopeless situation our lousy summer and keeping Mourinho for 5-6 months left us in.One bad patch and people are back with "how Jose was correct"
If the squad is shit then the blame is on the manager who built the squad in last 3 years. Since he was sacked we have gained as many points as City, Liverpool (+ or - 1 point) but somehow Jose was correct.
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What was Mourinho right about? That we needed a CB when we had nothing for RW or RB and he’d already bought two CBs who failed miserably? That McTominay should be promoted because he’s tall and be can fill in at CB? That Pogba is a twat and the squad are a bunch of twats even though he bought half the twats and is himself the chief twat?
Jose is never right. Even when he is he’s wrong.
This thread is an embarrassment right now.
At least we're not as bad as Madrid fans! Those guys are literally scum of the earth! Without Ronaldo doing magic, it wont be long before they turn on Zidane!
He was 100% that we needed to upgrade on our experienced CBs. He wanted at least 2 of Rojo, Jones and Smalling replaced. Solkjaer's reign has gone nothing to disprove this.
People just let their inane hate for Mourinho cloud their better judgement. So much so they saw Lindeloff and Bailly being bought as the problem. Not the largely incompetent collection of CBs they were supposed to learn the ropes under.
He also wanted to upgrade his right back options. And another left back to add to the revived Shaw. I dare anyone to show how Solksjaer's reign thus far has proved it wrong....
Now you Mourinho hate is making you engage in grade A idiocy. Mourinho is the one who threw McTominay straight into our midfield deep end when hardly any of our fans thought a thing of him. He also constantly complained I'm the media how McTominay was getting no credit for his abilities. Even going as far
to repeatedly state the lad was ONLY playing conservative football due to his express instruction and NOT inability to be more attack oriented.
He also only employed him in defence because he trusted him COMPLETELY to even execute out of position ahead of his lousy collection of experienced CBS. To attempt to claim 'he promoted him just to play cb' is the lamest and most dishonest attempt to re write history and reality
Ever heard of the saying it takes one to know one? Given the rate at which you are identifying 'twats'.....
Actually its your latest contribution to it that's so laughable.....
Play Dalot and Shaw, use Young as backup. Use another CB if we are playing 3 at the back
Dalot would be skinned at right wing back in a game vs Barcelona. Furthermore, When it comes to right back we LITERALLY have no options unless we are prepared to pass Dalot through hell fire the rest of the season
I agree there is usually no need to use Shaw as a CB. But then again. The alternative was starting calamity Jones . Give me Shaw over him any day. Even as a cb.
Ole is largely hamstrung by the quality of our squad
If he doesn't trust Jones as a CB why is he still here?
Dalot----Smalling---Lindelöf----Jones----Shaw--
That would have been fine imo, I don't think we woulda have conceded that goal either, iirc young played suarez onside for the OG!
One bad patch and people are back with "how Jose was correct"
If the squad is shit then the blame is on the manager who built the squad in last 3 years. Since he was sacked we have gained as many points as City, Liverpool (+ or - 1 point) but somehow Jose was correct.
Whole thing is a joke, JM being right and Ole doing miracle points wise with current squad, like really?! JM used McT vs West Ham as fecking CB to prove a point and indirectly whine about not getting a new CB in previous summer transfer window, imagine being that fecked up in the head that you put a midfielder and not just any, in PL away game, where you need points, just so you could come out in post match interview and basically say, you see you see, when i said new CB in the summer is a must, you called me crazy.
Best post of this topic since the game, hands down.
It doesnt matter, hell even thread was made to wash up JM through Ole.
I don't think so, it would just be about focusing on controlling Alba's runs in behind as Coutinho does mostly run towards the middle, I'd say throw Dalot in there, he was bought for that and he is part of the future. It's how McTominay improved, between playing a terribly past it player and a young player with potential, one is a no-brainer.
I'd take Jones as a CB over Shaw any day of the week, he may be crazy but that's his true position. Ole gave him a one year extension so he should have trusted him for this.
This there is nobody else to take Young spot is such a nonsense. Even if you act dumb and ignore Dalot, you can pick a RB from academy and still it wouldnt be worse option.
Everybody and their nan wants Jones and Rojo gone. So what. Fact of the matter is Jose bought two CBs who were both piss until he left. Why would he be trusted to buy another one when the two he bought previously were both shite?
Whoa. Look out. Manager in wanting to improve options shocker.
Yeah, even though he only did it to prove a point in dropping Pogba. Christ on a bike I can't believe there are still people who believe a word that comes out of that self-serving cnut's mouth.
Well, actually that's not what I said and actually it was tongue in cheek. But you don't seem like one for humor. Or wit.
Either way McTominay is a tall, sturdy lad who can move about. So of course Mourinho was always gonna promote him.
But yet again you're too dense to see that Mourinho was just throwing his toys out on the pram to prove a point same as the Pogba deal. All because Ed woudn't break the bank for Maguire. Harry fecking Maguire.
Ever heard of the saying it takes one to know one? Given the rate at which you are identifying 'twats'.....
Actually its your latest contribution to it that's so laughable.....
Apparently you are one for humor. And wit. Then.
So Dalot would be skinned at RWB but not at LWB? It's like you're allergic to logic.
Yes, let's play two players out of position so we start an even worse player at RB. Again with you and logic.
I love Ole, but that's tough to justify.
I can't believe it. I actually agree. Now let's never interact again.
funnily enough, Jose fans moaned about how club just signed Dalot and Fred wasn't even his choice. Now once they started playing well, we have to bow down to visionary, forgetting signing players like Matic, Sanchez, Lukaku and many more.
Every thread these Jose fans are coming out with "it's player" "Joes was correct" bs ignoring the points we have gained since his sacking.
Equally the 'Jose was right' comments in the mctominay thread are even funnierOne bad patch and people are back with "how Jose was correct"
If the squad is shit then the blame is on the manager who built the squad in last 3 years. Since he was sacked we have gained as many points as City, Liverpool (+ or - 1 point) but somehow Jose was correct.
. Mctominnay had two good apperances last year and then went backwards like the rest of the team. Apparently Jose saw something. Yeah something to play him at CB and ruin our season.Ole arrived and showed people the right way to utilize him so far. He's not playing in DM but further forward in the box to box. Jose had Fellaini/Matic in these ppositions.
Its the modern football fans mentality on an internet forum - everything now. Immediate success. Instant improvement.
Talk to people in real life and the general opinion is far more considered. We have a lot of talent in our squad but also some weak areas. Its not good enough right now to compete with the likes of City or Barcelona, but we actually did manage to compete pretty well with them on Wednesday. For me Ole and the staff get enormous credit for that.
Now that we have a sniff of the top four this season (again, enormous credit) I'd really love us to get there. I'm intrigued by the thought of how we will approach the window this summer and I'd hate for us to be hamstrung by lack of CL football.
For the posters that are already spewing criticism and their 'fears' and 'doubts' about our manager - chill the f out. Its way too early and actually just plain wrong IMO to be feeling that way at this time.
Ole has managed to bring back the 'United of old' mentality. I love hearing him talk about what we can achieve. Its such a refreshing stance compared to the lack of respect our last manager consistently displayed towards the club and its player. I implore all of us to try to back him and the players until its the right moment not to do so.
Talk to people in real life and the general opinion is far more considered. We have a lot of talent in our squad but also some weak areas. Its not good enough right now to compete with the likes of City or Barcelona, but we actually did manage to compete pretty well with them on Wednesday. For me Ole and the staff get enormous credit for that.
Now that we have a sniff of the top four this season (again, enormous credit) I'd really love us to get there. I'm intrigued by the thought of how we will approach the window this summer and I'd hate for us to be hamstrung by lack of CL football.
For the posters that are already spewing criticism and their 'fears' and 'doubts' about our manager - chill the f out. Its way too early and actually just plain wrong IMO to be feeling that way at this time.
Ole has managed to bring back the 'United of old' mentality. I love hearing him talk about what we can achieve. Its such a refreshing stance compared to the lack of respect our last manager consistently displayed towards the club and its player. I implore all of us to try to back him and the players until its the right moment not to do so.
Equally the 'Jose was right' comments in the mctominay thread are even funnier
Ole arrived and showed people the right way to utilize him so far. He's not playing in DM but further forward in the box to box. Jose had Fellaini/Matic in these ppositions.
Mourinho was actually stinking the club out by the end. A lack of respect for our club. Agenda driven bollocks. It doesn't even matter what he was or wasn't right about. In hindsight he should have been sacked after his comments following the Sevilla defeat last year
Equally the 'Jose was right' comments in the mctominay thread are even funnier
Ole arrived and showed people the right way to utilize him so far. He's not playing in DM but further forward in the box to box. Jose had Fellaini/Matic in these ppositions.
He was visionary
How people still supported that guy after the pathetic post match interview is beyond me.
Yeah people tend to be very biased and have crazy expectations. Even when we win people are often not happy. What I think is clear though is that we can compete with big teams in the general play with a strong defense and midfield, but we don't have the quality up front to really win us big games or create enough in them.
Our best hope is to hit teams on the counter, but when it doesn't work we struggle.
We need to improve our play in the final third and also the quality of our attackers for next season.
I just cant see Ole being worse than Jose, LVG & Moyes, It just wont happen. We've tried experienced managers, made no difference. Before people ask for the sack give him at least a full bloody season even if we don't make top 4!
@Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Don't even bother mate. Some here won't even give Mourinho any kind of credit for anything because they're too blind with their hatred. These discussions are really not worth the time tbh.
Any manager who stays for 2.5 years definitely did some things right. Not for some here though.
Any manager who stays for 2.5 years definitely did some things right. Not for some here though.
Good post , you are right . I thought we did ok and it is not Oles fault that we didn`t have a shot on target as we had several free kicks , Rashford wayward potshots , Fred had a few blocked shots and Dalot got his header all wrong . On another day the result could have been very different .
Why should mourinho take credit if another manager used his players better than him? Hell Ole even took his much maligned defense that was leaking goals in the PL and turned them into a cohesive unit pulling results like PSG with ironically a 'mourinho' performance. It doesn't matter which players he introduced becsuse he didn't create any unit after 2.5 years .
He was about to sell Martial in exchanges for mediocres like willian and Pogba will have gone in Jan. Luckily he got sacked before causing further damage.
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More revisionist bullshit:
1. Bailly was never 'piss till Mourinho left'. If anything his United career mirrored Mourinho's. His first season was a breathe of fresh air in his first, second ok and his 3rd thus far a disaster
2. Lindeloff has been good through out this entire season. Even when disaster mode Mourinho was still in charge
3. Idiots on here were saying we shouldn't bother upgrading senior cbs because the two young center backs we brought to support them were not consistently brilliant. Utterly oblivious to how stupid the notion truly was.
Clearly you do not know the difference between believing our own eyes and mere believing what Mourinho says. No wonder you readily believe in the inane notion that a Mc Tominay was 'only promoted to spite a Pogba'........
I suggest getting a refund from the numpties who deluded you with the notion you possess both humour and wit. For you possess neither and the meaning of your posts are as easy to suss out as seeing blue lines across as white page
Because only a child could post stuff like this:
and them claim 'tongue in cheek' when called out for it..........
Rather I'm clearly not as mentally depleted of all sense by hate for Mourinho as you are, that I constantly have to resort to utter nonsense when talking about his time as United boss...........
Eagerly displaying your stupidity again I see.
Vs Barcelona as a left wing back he had the protection of Shaw behind him. On top having proved the times we have used him as a left back his positioning there is superior to when on his natural side, but given you have been so busy hating on Mourinho than actually watching us play. Such details easily escape the likes of you...............
So much so you'd probably have preferred us using the incompetent Jones in defence vs Barcelona, plus Dalot at right wing back, where he has struggled badly defensively vs much worse opponents than the Spanish champions. So that you could come one here to pontificate on here how 'Mourinho screwed us over' when it would have ended in utter humiliation...
Again with you eagerly opening your mouth to release the stupidity stored in your head.
It clearly escaped you that I don't consider Jones of ANY use even in his correct position.
Which I highly suspect is similar with the manager hence him picking Shaw as a left center half over starting him.
Indeed. Please spare me ever having to reply to your imbecilic fancies ever again by keeping me out of your future posts
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Regarding Scott that's nonsense. Mourinho used Scott pretty well against both Chelsea and Liverpool last season and he was great in them. Not giving Mourinho credit for promoting Scott, using him in big games and CL (without being forced to with injuries) and continuously supporting him while fans were saying he's championship level player is simply ridiculous. Especially when you're the same one who gave LVG credit for Rashford who only played when all his other forwards were injured.
indeed. Some are just diseased with inane hatred for him on here that they have ceased thinking straight
Mourinho deserves credit for getting Rooney out and integrating McTominay in the squad. No doubts about it. His tenure was bad but nowhere near as bad as the previous two. The long undefeated streak in his 1st season, EL, LC, 2nd place and beating every PL team in his 2nd season are some positives as well.
Still was a failure, but a middling failure, not abject.
Still was a failure, but a middling failure, not abject.
still cant quite believe he took Dalot off and kept Young on the other night
Not really. He was decent in Seville, Chelsea and Liverpool games at DM but nothing standing out like the last Barce/Wolves games which was in a more advanced position. How is it the same mourinho placed him in the wrong position for Southampton and West Ham games this very season? It's no different to other players that performed well prior and then their confidence went which was restored again by OGS.
LVG took credit for Rashford because he turned him into one of the most important players of the squad from the start until the finish. He scored something like 7 goals in 11 games. Nothing similar.
I won't be surprised to see some give credit to Mourinho for Fred too if he continues his form. After claiming previously he was a club/scout signing and Jose had nothing to do with it.
Except that wasn't the view on Scott in that Liverpool game that he was just "decent" regarding to his performance thread, He was definitely our best player alongside Young and Rashford that day, so maybe you thinking he was just "decent" is your own problem in evaluating him.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/scott-mctominay-2017-18-performances.430697/page-64#post-22272073
If you're giving credit for LVG for promoting Rashford while he wasn't even planning to play him and brought Will Keane out of loan and was forced to play him when everyone was injured then you simply have to give Mourinho the credit for promoting Scott from the academy, throwing him in big games without being forced to with injuries (coming from the manager who everyone always thanks of as never depending on youth much), getting him playing pretty well in big games against Liverpool and Chelsea and continuously defending him and his potential when everyone started doubting him.
Anything else is pretty much double standards for me. You either give credit to both or do neither.
That's not taking anything from Ole. He deserves credit for improving him more and depending on him, but not giving Mourinho credit for promoting and using him from the start is illogical.
I don't even know what's Fred doing here. Same for your last post about exchanging Martial with Willian etc. Focus on the point. No one said Mourinho didn't do several mistakes, but he did several things right too. Promoting and using Scott was one. That's about it.
He better not play Young this weekend.
Young is rubbish but he doesn't pick himself.
Young is rubbish but he doesn't pick himself.
He's suspended thankfully
Well said. One should also remember that Solskjær still hasn't reached his potential. His previous experience is coaching the reserves, Molde FK and Cardiff - plus from playing Football Manager (and I do believe the latter is where he's spent most of his time to be honest). So even though he's heavily engraved into our traditions and he's studied under the best manager to ever have walked this planet - he'll probably be the first to admit he's still learning the ropes.
So he too should be judged as a talent rather than the complete package - and quite frankly based on what he's shown us so far I think it'll be a worthy investment supporting him while he grows.
And speaking of traditions - I actually fear United turning into "generic oligarch-founded / money-doped top-tier club #354986" far more than I fear lack of immediate success. The main thing that made me land on this club as a childhood favorite way back in the eighties - a period where success wasn't guaranteed at all - was that whole family-feel surrounding it (that and the fact that my older brother hated it with a passion of course). I grew to love the fact that we nourish our own academy players or focus on buying youngsters to fill the vacancies - in short that we give talent a fair chance to reach their potential rather than looking for finished products as a quick-fix - and I also appreciate that we're not too quick selling our aging heroes off the moment they've started their decline but rather focus on utilizing them differently making it possible for them to adapt and reach retirement in style.
I wonder how Sir Alex would have fared if he'd been subjected to today's insane and somewhat hysteric demands of immediate and constant success? His triumphs weren't exactly instantly achieved - so something tells me our history would probably be a couple of "glories" short had people acted as panicked back then as some do today. Same goes for the Class of 92 - that's another adventure I think it's fair to say we'd lost out on.
Young people who are tired of getting bullied in the school yard or at work by rival supporters should chill out and learn the virtues of patience and resilience by remembering how it's benefited us in the past - and if the abuse they suffer becomes unbearable they can always just do what we did and put a heavy knot at the end of those scarfs then use them as bludgeoning tools.
It's more effective in shutting people up than you'd think and way more satisfying than folding to the pressure of going against our traditions - compromising the very principles that makes our club stand out in a world where everything's turning more and more "whatever" by the day.
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Another manager is using him better so the credit should be for the manager who used him correctly. That's how I see it.
First appearance of McT for Mourinho. First goal of McT for Ole.
I touched on Fred because I can see the pattern that will develop in crediting manager for a player who didn't show their best form under him.
That's what you don't get. Mourinho used him pretty well last season too. If you don't see it that's up to you. Ole improved him even more.
One bad patch and people are back with "how Jose was correct"
If the squad is shit then the blame is on the manager who built the squad in last 3 years. Since he was sacked we have gained as many points as City, Liverpool (+ or - 1 point) but somehow Jose was correct.
You said the other day Mourinho wasn't the only one at fault...
Funny that...
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