We were very good last night.
Not sure what team you think you're supporting right now, but that performance from that starting eleven was very good.
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We were very good last night.
Not sure what team you think you're supporting right now, but that performance from that starting eleven was very good.
Very good? How so? The aim of the game is to score goals and at no point did it look like we could do that.
It does happen. New manager bounce, injuries, difficulty of opponents etc. But I do hope at least our intent to play a better brand of football returns. I feel the decline in the level of our recent peformances does have to do with factors outside of Ole's control (till the summer), but part of it has to be his control too. I'm sure, tactically for example, he can make an impression on the team with the squad we currently have
Look at Ole's merits during his managerial career end these results and performances shouldn't come as a surprise. Don't know what people are expecting but can't see us reaching any heights with Ole at the wheel, I'm sorry.
Arsenal game wouldn't you agree their goals were gifted by us. Not even forced mistakes. Wouldn't also agree we were cutting them open and should have scored 2-3 goals if not for poor finishing. Same for the Wolves game last week we should have been up by three goals by the end of the 1st half. Young got a red and we continued to waste chances. All Ole can do is set up the team to create goal scoring chances, which he does. Make sure we don't concede too many chances. They goals we conceded from the losses against wolves,barca and arsenal were all from school boy defending, it's actually an insult on school boys some of the mistakes that led to goals.
If we were conceding multiple chances to teams nd getting scored from those chances we would blame Ole for his failure at setting up the defense. But that's not the case is it?
Yes he deserves all that. As any other new manager would deserve. But why not point at things which are not working now. No matter who is guilty for that.
He needs the movers and shakers at the club to wrap an arm around him and steer him.
Collectively they all need a massive set of cojones to revamp what is a disjointed side. There's some tough and perhaps unpopular decisions to be made over the summer.
Collectively they all need a massive set of cojones to revamp what is a disjointed side. There's some tough and perhaps unpopular decisions to be made over the summer.
Solskjaer said he wants Manutd to be one of the hardest working teams in Europe, that's how he wants his team to play. Later he said we are not working much on fitness because of lack of time. So I'm guessing there won't be much change in how we approach the game this season.
Next season should tell us how good or bad Solskjaer is, with proper preseason and signings to fill the gaps.
Crying out for a Zlatan last night, Also why doesn’t martial shoot more often he was 25 yards out at one stage and decides to pass it out wide inside of shooting.
Right I'm checking out until the West Ham game. Whenever we lose, I just need the next game to get the winning feeling back. It feels especially important here.
Win and whatever happens, happens: top 4, a CL semi or neither, but you can script a narrative that the wheels haven't fallen off and we're just losing to better sides or on tougher away trips, while beating those we expect to.
Lose and there's a possibility that the next four games could doom Ole early on with a run that you would have to go back to the 80s to match. Moyes felt bad, but he never lost more than three in a row or four in five. We're already at that point. You can't just keep losing games, no matter how good the new manager bounce was for a couple of months.
I love Ole. I never want to grow to resent the man, but he's got to deliver. Sentiment should play no part in judging his managerial reign. I'll be there at the weekend singing until I'm hoarse again, but the lads are starting to owe the fans something, as we have have watched a whole load of disappointment at OT this season.
Win and whatever happens, happens: top 4, a CL semi or neither, but you can script a narrative that the wheels haven't fallen off and we're just losing to better sides or on tougher away trips, while beating those we expect to.
Lose and there's a possibility that the next four games could doom Ole early on with a run that you would have to go back to the 80s to match. Moyes felt bad, but he never lost more than three in a row or four in five. We're already at that point. You can't just keep losing games, no matter how good the new manager bounce was for a couple of months.
I love Ole. I never want to grow to resent the man, but he's got to deliver. Sentiment should play no part in judging his managerial reign. I'll be there at the weekend singing until I'm hoarse again, but the lads are starting to owe the fans something, as we have have watched a whole load of disappointment at OT this season.
I think that's extremely generous. We had fight and effort, from many players. But no quality whatsoever. And no shots on goal at home can hardly be described as a very good performance.
It was less bad than I expected.
4 losses out of last 5 games. Twice to Wolves, once to Arsenal and once to Barca. If this was under Mourinho, we would be going into RAWK mode on here but none of our fans are actually that worried. That's a testimony to the job that Ole has done since he got here. The fans are also positive because the football we have played has been pretty good inspite of the losses.
We still have a solid chance to get into top 4. Some of our younger/newer players are also starting to show their worth. Fred, McT, Dalot are all settling in well. We now have a better idea about our squad strength and where we are really lacking. Basically, there is so much more clarity now about who to keep, who to sell, where to upgrade, etc which we didn't have in the last 6 years.
For all these reasons, I feel signing Ole was the perfect decision. We can move away from all other bullshit and focus on our football. No controversies, no player mutinies, no public shaming of players, etc.
We still have a solid chance to get into top 4. Some of our younger/newer players are also starting to show their worth. Fred, McT, Dalot are all settling in well. We now have a better idea about our squad strength and where we are really lacking. Basically, there is so much more clarity now about who to keep, who to sell, where to upgrade, etc which we didn't have in the last 6 years.
For all these reasons, I feel signing Ole was the perfect decision. We can move away from all other bullshit and focus on our football. No controversies, no player mutinies, no public shaming of players, etc.
He did 2 things wrong last night.
1. Not starting Martial.
2. Not subbing Young and Rashford.
Other than that it was a good performance.
1. Not starting Martial.
2. Not subbing Young and Rashford.
Other than that it was a good performance.
A work in progress. We are judging him on top 4 and CL which we all thought were over before he was appointed. Perspective is needed and don't forget we have an awful lot of bang average players that need to be moved on. A couple of transfer windows and lets judge then.
I don't understand why he's shifted from a 4-3-3 to 3-5-2 in big matches. Even in the last game we played like pussies till their first goal and then started playing football. It was clear to see that this Barcelona team isn't all that and when put under pressure they made a lot of mistakes. Really baffling.
We are defending well which he should get the credit for. Our passing in midfield to get into the final third is also really good. We need to work on how we should create chances though in the final third. Although the lack of quality from our strikers and Youngs crossing might be a bit part of the problem.
Against Wolves and Arsenal we missed far too many chances and yesterday we couldn't shoot or cross well at all.
Against Wolves and Arsenal we missed far too many chances and yesterday we couldn't shoot or cross well at all.
I don’t really get the level of abuse Ole is getting here.
He picked a team and a formation which he thought would work. He inherited this average team from years of messing around from past managers and Woodward. I hate saying it but we’re 5/6 players from coming close to a Prem/ CL title.
Performance wise we played better than I thought we would, Scotty T and Fred had their best game in a utd shirt, on the other side Young seems to be getting worse the more be plays .
Granted we never threatened the keeper but I don’t think Rashford was 100% and I still think we’re lacking a world class striker like Kane or Aguero who need just one chance in a big game like this.
I was disappointed by Pogba’s performance, this was a game he could have showed Madrid how good he is , at this stage if Madrid want to pay £120-150 million I’d let him go. I’m getting tired of his disappearing acts when we need him most.
Tactically I don’t think we should have changed formation after bringing on Lingard he could have left it as it was and told Jesse to push further forward on the left. It suited Barcelona when we changed we barely got a kick for the last 15 mins.
He picked a team and a formation which he thought would work. He inherited this average team from years of messing around from past managers and Woodward. I hate saying it but we’re 5/6 players from coming close to a Prem/ CL title.
Performance wise we played better than I thought we would, Scotty T and Fred had their best game in a utd shirt, on the other side Young seems to be getting worse the more be plays .
Granted we never threatened the keeper but I don’t think Rashford was 100% and I still think we’re lacking a world class striker like Kane or Aguero who need just one chance in a big game like this.
I was disappointed by Pogba’s performance, this was a game he could have showed Madrid how good he is , at this stage if Madrid want to pay £120-150 million I’d let him go. I’m getting tired of his disappearing acts when we need him most.
Tactically I don’t think we should have changed formation after bringing on Lingard he could have left it as it was and told Jesse to push further forward on the left. It suited Barcelona when we changed we barely got a kick for the last 15 mins.
We really need *facepalm* emoji on this forum.
Martial has been blowing hot and cold for a while tbh and so has Pogba. You can call this team shit all you like but Pogba was the worst player in the midfield and it was up to him to produce that moment of magic because from what I saw the other 2 in the midfield did fine. Yes, we had a few passengers in the team but the biggest problem yesterday was how poor our star players were. Barca scored their goal after Messi produced a fantastic assist inside the box whereas our star players were sloppy like hell and couldn't muster anything whatsoever.
Agree with both. We must be honest and assess the here and now, while understanding that change takes time.
We weren't very good. I'm not sure which game you watched.
I'm not sure what your expectations were, but I can tell you right now that they were unrealistic.
Dalot on the left instead of Young ?
He will truly be judged after his transfers, full pre season and best season. Until then he is doing his best with somebody else's players.
So far there's been ups and downs - who would have thunk it?
So far there's been ups and downs - who would have thunk it?
It doesn't matter what your expectations were. The peformance wasn't very good. Maybe it's because everybody has such low expectations that such peformances are hailed and hence, accepted.
I assume you mean on the right? And yes, we needed more going forward so we took off our attacking fullback instead of Young (I like Young, but he was and has been horrendous).
Yeah, I meant playing Dalot on the left instead of Young which would have meant Dalot on the right
He especially needs to get over this infatuation with Rashford. For preference I'm Rash>>Lukaku most days and don't rate the latter but last night wasn't the match for favourites. Rom was actually holding his own pretty decently and looked a part of our chance at equalising. Rashford still has some maturing to do and should be subbed when he's absolutely stinking up the joint.
Highly talented players is what makes you win things. The more you have, the better. When they have an off day like Messi did yesterday its not a tragedy either. That's because they will still attract markers which means that they will leave space for others to act. The problem with us is that we don't have any players to step up and take advantage of that space because, well, they are shite.
Donkeys are good to carry some burden not to play football. Unfortunately we're filled with them. Its not Pogba's, Martial's or DDG's fault that we're not winning. Its because we're filled with overrated crap who think that they are Ronaldo when they are Philip Nevilles.
They are only unrealistic because the Glazers have been taking the piss.
We are supposed to be challenging with the likes of Barca, yet some fans are happy we only lost 1-0 at home without having a shot on target.
Ole got the job because of nostalgia, not because he will suddenly get us competing with the best managers or teams in the world.
Hope this helps.
Weird to say but that was our best performance in the CL at home. We were never dominated, at times had them pushed back and had about as many clear chances as they did.
Ole made a mistake persisting with Young for the full 90 (it was crying out for Dalot to the right, Young off and Martial or Lingard on). Also Rashford should have been subbed off instead of Lukaku
Ole made a mistake persisting with Young for the full 90 (it was crying out for Dalot to the right, Young off and Martial or Lingard on). Also Rashford should have been subbed off instead of Lukaku
Hes not getting abuse.
Hes rightly getting criticized for that shit show we wiynessed last night where we had ZERO shots on target and hardly looked threatening.
Hes probably also getting criticized due to the fact that weve lost 4 of our last 5.
What I find weird is how, by the end of Joses reign, our entire fan base wanted him gone and most were begging for some decent football. 4 months on and we're still reminiscient of that team and, all of sudden, we're accepting of such mediocrity.
Its odd. We played a very similar game against Juventus earlier in the season. Lost 0-1, it was a crap performance then as it was yesterday.
Good performances are the games in Turin and Paris not the shite we witnessed yesterday.
I wouldn't say Turin was a good performance, we were very fortunate. Could say the same about PSG, they literally gifted us goals but at least after Bailly went off we looked more comfortable.
That's just demonstrably false.
It's almost like in between that we won loads of games playing good football and knocked out PSG in the Champions League.
feck me sideways, we narrowly lost the first leg of a tie against Barcelona and the merry band of moaners want blood for it.
It's not all sunshine and roses, much work clearly needs to be done still, and there are huge issues in terms of the squads quality to compete at the top level.
All of that can be true without it being a disaster that we're still in with a chance of making it to the last four of the Champions League for the first time in god knows how long.
Some of you are acting like we got hit for six or seven last night.
Feels like football is just so unnecessarily complicated these days. Look at Liverpool, for instance, one may argue their football isn't anywhere near as good or as exciting as last season - they're definitely not as attacking and flamboyant as they have been previously. But they get the job done and if they win the league, no one will really care about the way they got there. There's so many stats, so much analysis that fans almost forget that winning is the most important aspect of the sport. We won in Turin and in Paris when it really mattered - both times, the odds were stacked against us but we overcame these challenges and actually put in performances worthy of the result. It's a farce that people actually believe yesterday was a good performance and does a disservice to our actual good performances.
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