Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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Ban said:
They scored and that's why we played vs them in open play cause they backed of a bit. Sorry but you're totally on his case and whatever he does you criticize him, even when we have a generally good game, a game which most people though we'll get destroyed. Jones suddenly is the answer, guy he shouldnt renew with? Without Young? Sure but who, Darmian?
Why Romero? If he started with those I think you'd find that wrong too. :)
Our start didnt cost us, we werent under some immense pressure, it was a mistake in defense whicb can happen however you play.
Its just weird here, everyody was about our asses being handled to them and now it didnt happen new problem is how we didnt beat them or start with going toe to toe with them. I guess we should do that there? I mean we have good enough players for it....
I'm not defending him in anything, Young should have been subbed of and Martial maybe subbed in earlier. You say you praise him for good thing. Well honestly havent seen it at all. :)
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Romero and Jones were just silly examples about what if. Lineup was good. I am not arguing that. Fred and Mct were bingo.
About praising him; look at my posts while he was winning and playing good football. I don't have agendas. What i see, i comment. I don't claim that i am right. I post my opinion. Sometimes it is good opinion, sometimes it is shit opinion. My opinion about him is that he is wrong man for the job. If time proves that he is perfect choice, great. I will admit it.
But now he isn't winning. So, and i know it sounds harsh but what i should say for him? Sheldon's phrase "there, there?". I save my emotions for club, not players or managers. I can love some of them but if they are not good for my club( in one game or in general), i will say that.
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
Regarding our attack it is true we lack top quality on the level of Messi, Hazard, Ronaldo, Neymar, Mbappe, Aguero.

Although we don't seem to have too much of a plan to create chances apart from counter attacks and quick passes into space. Crossing, quick short passing, dribblings into certain areas etc seem to be things we don't plan to do with method and ideas. We often just pass it around with few ideas and in the end put some poor crosses into areas with few attackers. Martial always dribbles, but we don't seem to have a method to give it to him in the right areas etc. Pogba and Lingard likes to link up with short passing moves, but the runs don't seem to be coordinated enough.

Hopefully Ole will work more on this. I feel that Liverpool, City and Spurs do it much better than us. Even Arsenal got better ideas while Chelsea pass it around too much without proper penetration a lot.
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Agree with this. I just don't see what we're trying to do offensively, and that is on Ole as he's been the manager for a while now. Could anyone honestly see any difference attacking wise compared to LvG? Mourinho? I just don't understand what we're trying to do. If we had a clear gameplan I would be more forgiving but we seem as clueless as we did under previous managers. Now when the results are awful, and for the most part we're playing awful, I don't understand people defending OGS to the level of calling other posters glory hunters or whatever just because they are worried about the future.

Then there's the subs, which I've criticized previously and the persisting with players that are either awful (Young) or out of form (Rashford, Lingard). All this added to the fact that he has been a mediocre manager before joining us is for me enough evidence to be extremely sceptical about his and our future. I hope I'm wrong but I honestly think next season could be a rude awakening for a lot of people.
 
Andycoleno9 said:
Romero and Jones were just silly examples about what if. Lineup was good. I am not arguing that. Fred and Mct were bingo.
About praising him; look at my posts while he was winning and playing good football. I don't have agendas. What i see, i comment. I don't claim that i am right. I post my opinion. Sometimes it is good opinion, sometimes it is shit opinion. My opinion about him is that he is wrong man for the job. If time proves that he is perfect choice, great. I will admit it.
But now he isn't winning. So, and i know it sounds harsh but what i should say for him? Sheldon's phrase "there, there?". I save my emotions for club, not players or managers. I can love some of them but if they are not good for my club( in one game or in general), i will say that.
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All good and we will have to disagree on that. He can take this team only so far, it needs additions, about 5 or even 6 and he needs a preseason. It's silly to judge him generally based on this season. Ok if someone thinks he has a bad game or makes wrong choices or subs it's natural to say it but to judge him generally already is strange. I even saw posts about Poch being at Spurs if Ole doesn't work out.. I save my emotions for the club too and the the club needs an overhaul.
All in all we don't agree. :)
 
Inigo Montoya said:
He doesn’t have favourites. He’s picking the best available for the team.

That’s a long way off from ‘the best’ there is or Utd standard
quality but I’m sure he’s aware of the limitations of the squad
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Exactly. Who can play instead of Rashford? Only Martial. Lingard doesn't play all the time and Youngs deputy is Dalot who was on the left. It's so easy to say don't play that and that player but it's harder to find who should play instead.
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
I have a very strong feeling it will be Liverpool that will win it. Just feels like a season when they will win something. Ciity the league and Liverpool the champions league is my prediction right now.

Although Klopp messing it up in the final again would be funny!
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Would you like to remind me how Klopp messed up
 
Lets back track how many of use expected to be in this position in December, how many of us expected to have made up enough points in the league to be within reach of 3rd or 4th place, I believe the answer to be very few, if any. He has taken a squad of in the main average players and got results which have put us within touching distance of Champions League next season and have a realistic chance after to nights result of reaching the semi final.
All this with a squad not of his making who have been drilled, coached and trained in tactics over 3 to 4 years which are not his. It will take time for players to adapt to the new methods of training and playing, some of the present squad will not either have the footballing skills or the mental capacity to change and they will have to be identified and moved on either by transfer or retirement.
He and his coaching staff need a realistic time to gather a squad together which encompasses the ideas and spirit of our new manager and to re-establish the principles of of Sir Matt. " At Manchester United we strive for perfection and if we fail we might just have to settle for excellence".
He is in my opinion only the second manager since Sir Matt., who has the fully grasped the meaning of being a Manchester United manager not only on a playing level but how he conducts himself with the media.
Once he has gathered together the players of his choice and playing pattern then and only then should his managerial performance be judged.
 
Didn't do a lot wrong tonight. Subs were the right ones, they just didn't make an impact.
 
I know the team is not where we would want it to be. But I also think we need to give Ole a chance to be permanent manager for a longer time. As a follower of baseball, I remember in 2004 when Red Sox fans called their manager Terry Francona by a less positive name...Terry Fran-coma, because they thought he didn’t have the ability to make good decisions and bring the team to the World Series. Then they won it all after 86 years without a World Series win. I just wonder if we might look back a decade from now, with a ton of trophies on our shelf, and see things differently than we see them now. I certainly don’t know. But I’m excited by the energy OGS brings to the table, and I hope he gets a solid chance.
 
AndyMUFC said:
fecking hell, we lost 1-0 to a side with the best player in the world and a side that are extremey likely to win the Champions League. Perspective.
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Barcelona looked like a shadow of the team they were. They were there for the taking and we decided not to.
 
minoo-utd said:
Everything gone so wrong after PSG game.
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These players don’t have a winning mentality. They peaked in that moment and thought they could coast. You can see the lack of spark that top teams have. Elite players always see the next game as the big one, these players lack that.
 
I love the man to pieces, but all this looking to the past for inspiration is getting a bit wearying. Of course, it's nowhere near as bad as what Mourinho would spout after losses, but it's nonetheless not very comforting.

edit: To be fair, the Guardian headline makes it look like he's playing the 1999 angle more than his quote actually did. Sorry Ole!
 
Think he did fine tactics wise until the substitutions tbh.

We started slowly and the players were nervy but once we got into it we had good possession and didn't look overwhelmed when they attacked. When he took players off and we went 4-3-3 we did nothing.
 
BluesJr said:
These players don’t have a winning mentality. They peaked in that moment and thought they could coast. You can see the lack of spark that top teams have. Elite players always see the next game as the big one, these players lack that.
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That's been the trend for years now. False dawns. Maybe we shouldn't have celebrated the lucky away win against PSG like a World Cup final.
 
Thank goodness the people playing for and running this club are less reactionary than this forum. I feel way better about our prospects now than I did mid December. If we make top 4 it’ll have been a miraculous recovery. If not we have people who know the club looking to improve it, and we’ve already shown great gains in difficult circumstances.
 
In the post-match press conference he praises Scott and Fred, and both times adds Paul. No reason to praise Pogba for tonight, none whatsoever. The other two had tremendous performances.
 
Bastian said:
That's been the trend for years now. False dawns. Maybe we shouldn't have celebrated the lucky away win against PSG like a World Cup final.
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I have faith Ole knows this as well and will make drastic changes.
 
BluesJr said:
I have faith Ole knows this as well and will make drastic changes.
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I hope so. I hope he won't cater to Pogba too much, and helps him mature. As the unofficial leader of the dressing room, it's pretty important that he leads by example.
 
I simply cannot judge him until he actually has a full transfer window to sell / buy to his preference.

Atm he is simply fielding what's in front of him and tbf he's done good given the circumstances.
 
Bastian said:
I hope so. I hope he won't cater to Pogba too much, and helps him mature. As the unofficial leader of the dressing room, it's pretty important that he leads by example.
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Yep agree. The squad is full of players who just don’t belong in a top team and that’s the problem. We simply can’t do better than what we’ve been doing, our level is depressingly low with occasional high points. Mourinho and Van Gaal are to blame.
 
Ole is the LVG for this club.

He may not win trophies but this time next year - he will have the right young players at the club with a British core.

At that point we can upgrade to a better manager if need be - but I am more than happy to go a year without winning a trophies as long as ole builds a United club again.

That's what's important to me and ole will do it.
 
Four losses in last five games, we all knew the dream couldn't last. Having said that, we could still end top four and win cl.

Excited to see how 2019/2020 turns out. Could be anything.
 
Ole is getting too much of a free pass from folks around herr. I agree that his hands are tied a bit by personnel,but we have had him for around 5 months.
Its been really great that the gap to top4 has been closed, but once the gap has been closed then what?

Admittedly he didn't know if he'd be manager here next season for a long time, but right now i do not see what I'd think, yes, this looks like Ole's United. At least if he showed to be building us to something instead of individual play that is happening.

A job of a coach is just that,to coach better and more efficient ways of play. If that could be evident then come the summer, he'd get new players to replace old players who are not capable of executing his idea of football. But that isn't happening, there is too much hiding behind having bad players but little hand in what the manager wants and intends for the future playing wise.
 
I’m not gonna whinge about losing to Barca because that’s stupid. But I will say I’m somewhat concerned about Ole’s team selection to this point, and I think that’s a fair point.

The manager has to pick players on merit or it sends the wrong message to the entire squad. Never mind the fact that consistently poor peformances from players who are seemingly undroppable hinders results.

If he persists with Young over Dalot and/or drops Fred or McTominay to bring Matic straight back in, that would be a serious concern for me.

Rashford also needs to be rested and rotated once Martial is properly fit.
 
Thought we did alright considering the gulf in class

Ole made the wrong subs I think but he's working with a lot of dross, it can't be easy
 
The Nani said:
I’m not gonna whinge about losing to Barca because that’s stupid. But I will say I’m somewhat concerned about Ole’s team selection to this point, and I think that’s a fair point.

The manager has to pick players on merit or it sends the wrong message to the entire squad. Never mind the fact that consistently poor peformances from players who are seemingly undroppable hinders results.

If he persists with Young over Dalot and/or drops Fred or McTominay to bring Matic straight back in, that would be a serious concern for me.

Rashford also needs to be rested and rotated once Martial is properly fit.
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Agreed, I think a big problem with Jose and certainly with Van Gaal was having favourites rather than picking on merit.
As you said Young does not deserve to be playing over Dalot at the moment, we won't see how good Dalot is at right back if he's playing on the left wing.
 
Brilliant again. However, this thread really needs to be expanded to include Phelan, Carrick and McKenna. They're so tightly bonded in all the decisions that are made tactically that it seems absurd to me that we only ever praise/criticize him in this thread.
 
Mister_Stubbs said:
Not a single shot on target, at home.. pathetic. Another defeat to add to the list since he got the job on a perm. I’m so glad he hired him when we did.
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Maybe instead of being manager he should be on the pitch, maybe then you'd be happy about a shot on target. What exactly is Ole supposed to do when the players out there can't shoot on target?

United played better tonight than I thought they would, a good set-up from the start and the subs were not bad at all, he had to try something different it just didn't work out. That's on the players we have, not him.

No doubt there will be the usual moans about not getting the serial bottler from Spurs from the usual suspects, though.
 
Did well today. Only question mark is I thought Rashford should have been off instead of Lukaku. But maybe there was an injury or fitness issue.
 
Honestly the people moaning about tonights game should really just stop watching football. Its clearly not the sport for you.
 
Marcus said:
Did well today. Only question mark is I thought Rashford should have been off instead of Lukaku. But maybe there was an injury or fitness issue.
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Not to bash Rashford or Lukaku but if we want to take Lukaku off, we need another physical man who has better holdup play and difficult to handle physically, Martial and Rashford couldn't do that. I think moving Rashford to wide was the correct decision because we were trying to walk in so we need more player who can make run in behind.
 
Meller said:
Agree with this. I just don't see what we're trying to do offensively, and that is on Ole as he's been the manager for a while now. Could anyone honestly see any difference attacking wise compared to LvG? Mourinho? I just don't understand what we're trying to do. If we had a clear gameplan I would be more forgiving but we seem as clueless as we did under previous managers. Now when the results are awful, and for the most part we're playing awful, I don't understand people defending OGS to the level of calling other posters glory hunters or whatever just because they are worried about the future.
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This particular part. Aside from first five games, until PSG at old trafford I think. Attacking wise, the line is now very blurry, idea bankruptcy, no off the ball movement, players try everything by themselves etc.. I'm seeing same old problems

Ole is now the manager, not a caretaker anymore.Of course we can judge him, that's what forum for.
Many people wanted him to be permanent manager after his first 5 games ffs. We can judge him after his 5 losses with the same *flawed* logic.
 
predator said:
I simply cannot judge him until he actually has a full transfer window to sell / buy to his preference.

Atm he is simply fielding what's in front of him and tbf he's done good given the circumstances.
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Hes taken over Mourinho's squad and took them to its limits after they were severly underperforming.Ofcourse for this only he deserved the chance to take the job fulltime and mould the squad into his own image.
 
Eriku said:
Thank goodness the people playing for and running this club are less reactionary than this forum. I feel way better about our prospects now than I did mid December. If we make top 4 it’ll have been a miraculous recovery. If not we have people who know the club looking to improve it, and we’ve already shown great gains in difficult circumstances.
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Mostly agree but I think it should be heavily emphasized that - to put it mildly - the jury's still out regarding the bolded part. Woodward et al and their running the club like rappers in a music video tossing money to the wind are a serious problem affecting the club and its culture among the playing staff in a severely negative way.

But yes right now we're in the best position we've been in post-SAF regarding the coaching staff, certainly the best we could ever have hoped to be.
 
Not at all happy with that peformance. We need to start progressing as a football team and after the early positivity I'm seeing the same issues we had under Mourinho since we pro actively decided to become more defensive - little cohesion, relying on individuals rather than a proper cohsive attacking unit, priority on grit and route one football.

We need to start seeing some progressive football. I assumed that's why we hired Ole rather than continuing to play plucky scrappy football.
 
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