Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Majima]

You would think so but biases an all, people see what they want to.

Good luck to them.

We've had years of Mourinho, who tonight would have maybe brought on a youth player for the last 20 if we were crusing. Ole is putting his neck on the line for the kids, starting them in the spine of his team.

Ole is on a hiding to nothing with them then. No pleasing people like that.

 

[El Jefe]

Our fans are truly moronic.

I could say the same for you if you think we're going anywhere meaningful under Ole.

 

[Mockney]

The fundamental flaw of trying to adhere to some hallowed “United way” (aka like a Fergie side) is that Fergie’s greatest strength, and the very thing that made him such a GOAT manager, was his complete lack of any discernible singular ideology, and his ability to adapt and re-shape his sides consistently, according to the requirements of the era... he was a modernist, and a hugely malleable, progressive one at that...

So trying to copy some vague imagined semblance of any particular “way” is basically anathema to the very concept of the man...it’s a practical oxymoron.

The “Fergie way” in 2019, would’ve been to learn from and adapt to the prevailing trend of Pep/Klopp/Poch-style high pressing technical attacking.... he’d have hired an assistant who could help him facilitate that, and embraced the challenge of perfecting it, improving it, and finding a way of beating its proponents at their own game.

I just don’t see anything yet in Ole’s 10 or so months in charge, that demonstrates he has any solid grasp on what he wants us to do as a modern, fluid attacking side in 2019.... We’re still playing like a side whose improvising on the fly, and relying on a bit of magic to get us by.... except that we don’t have the kind of consistently magic players Ole played with under SAF, so setting our teams up to facilitate these moments, just doesn’t work... and ends up with Marcus Rojo trying a Rabona through ball on the edge of the box in the final 3rd of a 0-0 game against a made up computer generated PES side... which is frankly embarrassing!

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Depay was 22 and had played 150 matches for PSV
Lingard was 23 and had made a breakthrough at United - after playing more than 50 matches in the Championship
Varela was inexperienced yes - but he was 23 years old

They played together with Blind, Mata, Schneiderlin, Herrera who were all regulars

Today we had Tuazebe 21, Gomes 19, Rashford 21, Greenwood 17, Dalot 20 and Chong 19 - accompanied by 4 players the majority of United-fans accept arent good enough (Rojo, Matic, Jones, Fred). We started today with 6 players under 22. Against MidtJylland we had 2.

As for Andreas - he came on with 4 minutes left to play in Denmark

If I'm right, the average age then was about 25 compared to almost 24 today. Not a lot of difference, still many inexperienced players in both our teams.

The only difference was we hit 5 against FC Farmers that day and struggled against FC Miners today.

 

[RedTiger]

I don't think I've ever seen us put out a team with so few starts under their belt in the opening match of a european campaign, this wasn't a 2nd round fixture in the league cup, this is a legitimate route into the CL and Ole had the balls to risk the first 3 points by playing kids and fringe players.

He has faith in them and im happy. No one can blame ole for the shite finishing in the box nor can they blame him for not bringing in another striker when its accepted my all of us that Ed is the one who takes that blame.

 

[AJ10]

I could say the same for you if you think we're going anywhere meaningful under Ole.

Yeah lets sack him.... Carry on posting moronic posts.

Btw could of tell us the lottery numbers since you seem to know the future?

 

[Yagami]

I don't have any complaints myself tonight but I find it a shame that those who do are either insulted or labelled "haters".

I could say the same for you if you think we're going anywhere meaningful under Ole.

Don't take @AJ10 too seriously. I said in the match thread that Astana had two chances to score in the 1st half and he acted like I was saying we were being battered despite being fine with the halfs performance!

 

[Van Piorsing]

He's risking results and his job by playing so many youngsters and I love him for that. Would be greatest thing ever if he was appreciated and supported more by the board, so he can finally start playing only the players of his choice.

 

[Tom Cato]

Serious questions need to be asked, not only from ole, but from the whole coaching staff. We are struggling to create and score against a poor side.

Are we struggling to create? We had 8 big scoring chances today. 8. 10 shots that missed the net. The manager played every kid we have that is first team ready minus Garner. He did everything the complain squad complains about, and STILL he gets shit on.

We aren't struggling to create at all. What we were struggling with is finishing the chances. Rashford hitting the keeper at point blank range, Rashford missing, Rashford missing again, Fred hitting the crossbar, Greenwood just missing the net, Greenwood again missing the net by an inch, Dalot missing a litteral open goal after Lingards effort is saved by the fingertips. and there was more.

THIRTEEN corners. We spent most of the game camping out in Astanas half.

I'm really done with this blaming the manager and coaches every single game we don't score now. We create SO many chances. It's seriously up to the players to execute their skills and score them.

We had nearly TWENTY shots on goal this game. Jesus.

That's bombardment. TWENTY shots. From our reserve team minus Rashford. Matic and Rashford are the only players left from the team that beat Leicester. And Matic is only playing because Pogba is injured.

We SHOULD have won this game 3,4,5-0. We really should. But Im not going to spend a second blaming the manager or the staff for only scoring 1. The chances were there, and at one point its up to the players to put the finishing touch.

 

[Majima]

Nothing but praise...fcuk me we have sunk low. We looked pretty awful with no decent play & in the second half Astana looked threatening- I mean that’s embarrassing.

Any terrible manager could throw a load of kids in a match & you’d lap it up- it’s ridiculous. Oh the kids Didn’t even look that great tonight. At all. Only Gomes In the first half looked good. Chong was beyond awful.

If any United fan can honestly say we played well tonight..I mean the delusion is frightening.

One question, did you expect so much youth tonight? I certainly never after years of Mourinho.

He played the kids at the spine of the team. That makes a massive difference. Also, the experienced players who are there to guide them are gaining match fitness still.

I agree we never played amazing but, it was never going to be a vintage performance tonight with all the changes. There was 10 changes from the Leicester match. It was obvious.

You know what i saw out there from the kids? Belief. The lift they will get from Ole putting his faith in them tonight will be unreal for them

We won, the youth gained invaluable experience in a first team environment. Plenty of players have got some match fitness now. I don't see what he can be criticised for tonight. I really don't.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Tonight seriously isn't the night to be moaning, must be a bit tedious complaining as much as some of you lot on here.

Oh yes you’re right- we had a clear game plan, exciting football & the kids looked great.

Oh wait. None of that is true- of course the criticism is justified. Take off your Ole tinted glasses

 

[El Jefe]

Yeah lets sack him.... Carry on posting moronic posts.

Btw could of tell us the lottery numbers since you seem to know the future?

I was going to respond but thankfully I've been advised to not take you seriously.

Cheers @Yagami

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Are we struggling to create? We had 8 big scoring chances today. 8. 10 shots that missed the net. The manager played every kid we have that is first team ready minus Garner. He did everything the complain squad complains about, and STILL he gets shit on.

We aren't struggling to create at all. What we were struggling with is finishing the chances. Rashford hitting the keeper at point blank range, Rashford missing, Rashford missing again, Fred hitting the crossbar, Greenwood just missing the net, Greenwood again missing the net by an inch, Dalot missing a litteral open goal after Lingards effort is saved by the fingertips. and there was more.

THIRTEEN corners. We spent most of the game camping out in Astanas half.

I'm really done with this blaming the manager and coaches every single game we don't score now. We create SO many chances. It's seriously up to the players to execute their skills and score them.

We had nearly TWENTY shots on goal this game. Jesus.

That's bombardment. TWENTY shots. From our reserve team minus Rashford. Matic and Rashford are the only players left from the team that beat Leicester. And Matic is only playing because Pogba is injured.

We SHOULD have won this game 3,4,5-0. We really should. But Im not going to spend a second blaming the manager or the staff for only scoring 1. The chances were there, and at one point its up to the players to put the finishing touch.

Aside from Rashfords two misses, what other big chances did we have (I think I might have forgotten any others)? Most were long shots from distance. We've, for a long time now, struggled to actually put in place a system that induces clear goal scoring opportunities. Today was just another example of our inability to break down an opposition. Even our goal required a moment of magic from a kid starting his first(?) competitive game.

 

[7even]

I honestly don’t know why so many of you defending a shit performance and a non existent game plan.

Good management is to make players better as individuals and as a team. If we see the team create chances because of good movements, distinct passes, triangles and a designed game plan then we know that we have a long term plan and a manager who knows how to coach his team.

From my perspective Solskjær is great as a caretaker who clear the deck and buy better players. But so far his coaching is questionable, and that is being nice.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

One question, did you expect so much youth tonight? I certainly never.

He played the kids at the spine of the team. That makes a massive difference. The experienced players who are there to guide them are gaining match fitness still.

I agree we never played well but, it was never ever going to be a vintage performance tonight with all the changes. There was 10 changes from the Leicester match. It was obvious.

We won, the youth gained invaluable experience in a first team environment. Plenty of players have got some match fitness. I don't see what he can be criticised for tonight. I really don't.

One question, did you expect so much youth tonight? I certainly never.

He played the kids at the spine of the team. That makes a massive difference. The experienced players who are there to guide them are gaining match fitness still.

I agree we never played well but, it was never going to be a vintage performance tonight with all the changes. There was 10 changes from the Leicester match. It was obvious.

We won, the youth gained invaluable experience in a first team environment. The lift they will get from Ole putting his faith in them tonight will be unreal for them. Plenty of players have got some match fitness now. I don't see what he can be criticised for tonight. I really don't.

Yes I expected lots more as we’re Manchester United playing Astana at home. Standards are so low now it’s depressing

The most concerning thing with Ole is I just don’t see a plan from him, I don’t see a way of playing & I don’t see him improving us.

We need & deserve a better manager

 

[Yagami]

I was going to respond but thankfully I've been advised to not take you seriously.

Cheers @Yagami

He's probably a nice guy so no offence @AJ10 but it just seems like when anyone says the slightest negative thing about United then their deemed to be poor fans which is kinda harsh, and makes discussing United pointless as everyone has the club's best interest at heart.

 

[Tom Cato]

I honestly don’t know why so many of you defending a shit performance and a non existent game plan.

Good management is to make players better as individuals and as a team. If we see the team create chances because of good movements, distinct passes, triangles and a designed game plan then we know that we have a long term plan and a manager who knows how to coach his team.

From my perspective Solskjær is great as a caretaker who clear the deck and buy better players. But so far his coaching is questionable, and that is being nice.

We fielded a team that has had 0 minutes of gametime together this season. So take that as you will and criticize harder.

 

[AJ10]

@Yagami just made a comment on how people like to moan to the person who replied to you and you replied back to how we conceded two chances (one being offside)

Then you replied 2 separate posts when they created a chance later on... which was embarrassing. Other teams are allowed to create chances.


Still not sure where you got the "we were being battered" rubbish, from my post on (people like to moan) which was a reply to another poster.... some mental gymnastics there from you.

 

[AJ10]

I was going to respond but thankfully I've been advised to not take you seriously.

Cheers @Yagami

So you did it anyways?

 

[Rafaeldagold]

Yeah lets sack him.... Carry on posting moronic posts.

Btw could of tell us the lottery numbers since you seem to know the future?

I mean how stupid is your logic there.

Why not just hire Brenda from the tea room then as manager & we can’t question her as ‘we can’t see the future’

Except today & previous history is a good indicator- we’re going nowhere under Ole, we have no identity or style of play.

 

[AJ10]

He's probably a nice guy so no offence @AJ10 but it just seems like when anyone says the slightest negative thing about United then their deemed to be poor fans which is kinda harsh, and makes discussing United pointless as everyone has the club's best interest at heart.

Nothing wrong with other fans having different opinions but atleast post facts rather than rubbish which that poster posted.

Made up crap with no substance, that is not criticism.

 

[Hugh Jass]

Are we struggling to create? We had 8 big scoring chances today. 8. 10 shots that missed the net. The manager played every kid we have that is first team ready minus Garner. He did everything the complain squad complains about, and STILL he gets shit on.

We aren't struggling to create at all. What we were struggling with is finishing the chances. Rashford hitting the keeper at point blank range, Rashford missing, Rashford missing again, Fred hitting the crossbar, Greenwood just missing the net, Greenwood again missing the net by an inch, Dalot missing a litteral open goal after Lingards effort is saved by the fingertips. and there was more.

THIRTEEN corners. We spent most of the game camping out in Astanas half.

I'm really done with this blaming the manager and coaches every single game we don't score now. We create SO many chances. It's seriously up to the players to execute their skills and score them.

We had nearly TWENTY shots on goal this game. Jesus.

That's bombardment. TWENTY shots. From our reserve team minus Rashford. Matic and Rashford are the only players left from the team that beat Leicester. And Matic is only playing because Pogba is injured.

We SHOULD have won this game 3,4,5-0. We really should. But Im not going to spend a second blaming the manager or the staff for only scoring 1. The chances were there, and at one point its up to the players to put the finishing touch.

This.

 

[Leftback99]

Imagine expecting scintillating attacking football from 3 youth players in the forward line, backed up by Rojo at full back and Matic in centre midfield.

You people must look at average PL lineups and expect prime Barcelona every weekend.

 

[Bobcat]

Ah, yes sorry. Experienced and players in their prime.

LvG also lost 0-4 to MK fecking Dons. If we really are going to pick out single results from whenever and use it as a stick to beat the manager/players with then we might as well just close up shop and stop being a fotball club

We won FFS, and we played loads of teenagers. Cheer up

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Imagine expecting scintillating attacking football from 3 youth players in the forward line, backed up by Rojo at full back and Matic in centre midfield.

You people must look at average PL lineups and expect prime Barcelona every weekend.

Well, we churn out these performances every week regardless of who plays.

 

[Majima]

Yes I expected lots more as we’re Manchester United playing Astana at home. Standards are so low now it’s depressing

The most concerning thing with Ole is I just don’t see a plan from him, I don’t see a way of playing & I don’t see him improving us.

We need & deserve a better manager

You've seen us have Mourinho for years. I forgot Mourinho started loads of youth at once in his time here too. If it's so easy, why didn't he do it then? You're belittling Ole here.

Did you see us play without belief or panic tonight? I never, not once. So why isn't Ole getting praise for that?

We made 10 changes from the Leicester match with youth players starting at the spine of our team along with experienced players who hadn't played a minute of football yet. How can you not understand the impact that will have?

Tonight was never going to be a swashbuckling performance considering the changes.

 

[Gasolin]

Aside from Rashfords two misses, what other big chances did we have (I think I might have forgotten any others)? Most were long shots from distance. We've, for a long time now, struggled to actually put in place a system that induces clear goal scoring opportunities. Today was just another example of our inability to break down an opposition. Even our goal required a moment of magic from a kid starting his first(?) competitive game.

Greenwood missing the upper left corner by an inch, Dalot missing point blank, etc... we did miss chances we should not have missed but that's not on Ole for me. We put strikers in positions collectively.

 

[Rafaeldagold]

You've seen us have Mourinho for years. I forgot Mourinho started loads of youth at once in his time here too. If it's so easy, why didn't he do it then? You're belittling Ole here.

Did you see us play without belief or panic tonight considering? I never, not once. So why isn't Ole getting praise for that?

We made 10 changes from the Leicester match with youth players starting at the spine of our team along with experienced players who hadn't played a minute of football yet. How can you not understand the impact that will have?

Tonight was never going to be a swashbuckling performance considering the changes.

Maybe Jose didn’t do it as the youth aren’t good enough?

It’s not belittling to say we have no style or identify under Ole & we could do much better. I find it sad lots of fans have accepted we’re Shite now & give Ole a free pass

 

[SteveW]

Whats the game plan? Our passing tempo is so far slower then our women’s team. They are good compare to this. No patterns. No designated movements. No triangles.

I don’t want to criticize Ole but wtf are we doing at Carrington? I refuse to believe we’re practicing technique, passing and movements because then I’m deeply worried.

At the moment we look like eleven individuals without technique and instructions. Sadly.

Kind of tough to have established patterns of play with a heap of players who've barely ever played together.

 

[davidmichael]

How can people be moaning about tonight when outside of Rashford, Romero, Jones, Rojo and Matic we played a team that probably didn’t have more than 50 starts between them and Dalot would have had 75% of those himself ?

People have been clamouring for Tuanzebe, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood to start and they all did to differing success but will all be better for tonight’s game. I’d have liked Garner to play too but I do get the need for some experience in there too which is why Matic and Fred played.

We were never going to steamroll the other team tonight even though they’re from Kazakhstan and I’ve seen far worse teams beat us in League Cup games when we’ve put out strong starting teams so 3 points and first team experience for the kids is good by me, as a squad we’ll benefit from games like this in the later rounds.

 

[Random Task]

I mean how stupid is your logic there.

Why not just hire Brenda from the tea room then as manager & we can’t question her as ‘we can’t see the future’

Except today & previous history is a good indicator- we’re going nowhere under Ole, we have no identity or style of play.

We were opening them up at will throughout the first half, but when your main striker point blank refuses to find the back of the net, regardless of how many chances he is granted to do so, any game plan you had goes right out of the window.

The manager cannot shoulder the blame for his players (all of them have been guilty at some point this season) missing a bucketload of chances every single game. The xG stat shows that we are creating consistently but not converting.

 

[Majima]

Maybe Jose didn’t do it as the youth aren’t good enough?

It’s not belittling to say we have no style or identify under Ole & we could do much better. I find it sad lots of fans have accepted we’re Shite now & give Ole a free pass

Come on, that's no excuse. The reason he never is he didn't want to take the risk. Ole is taking those risks. He should be commended for that.

I haven't accepted our position, i couldn't be more opposed to it actually.

But, considering the amount of faith he is putting in the youth and the fact we bloody won the match, tonight is not the night. I have nothing to criticise Ole for tonight.

If your criticism of our style/identity is in general, then i actually agree with you, our play in transition and in the final third needs a ton of improvement. But that was never going to change tonight. Especially not after all the changes we made.

 

[Random Task]

How can people be moaning about tonight when outside of Rashford, Romero, Jones, Rojo and Matic we played a team that probably didn’t have more than 50 starts between them and Dalot would have had 75% of those himself ?

People have been clamouring for Tuanzebe, Gomes, Chong and Greenwood to start and they all did to differing success but will all be better for tonight’s game. I’d have liked Garner to play too but I do get the need for some experience in there too which is why Matic and Fred played.

We were never going to steamroll the other team tonight even though they’re from Kazakhstan and I’ve seen far worse teams beat us in League Cup games when we’ve put out strong starting teams so 3 points and first team experience for the kids is good by me, as a squad we’ll benefit from games like this in the later rounds.

I think certain posters have it imprinted in their heads that Ole is not good enough to manage the club and will pick up on literally anything to drive home that point.

Logic seemingly does not enter the equation however.

 

[SteveW]

Made 9 changes, played a number of young players and won the game. Don't see why people are moaning tbth.

 

[Red Dreams]

I think certain posters have it imprinted in their heads that Ole is not good enough to manage the club and will pick up on literally anything to drive home that point.

Logic seemingly does not enter the equation however.

They wanted a big name.

Ole has made mistakes, but he wants the team to improve their fitness and play quick attacking football.
He has brought in very good players and got rid some we wanted out.

But he has not been helped by the board with players he needed.

 

[Garethw]

Another game that has exposed the fact that tactically Solskjaer is clueless.

 

[SteveW]

They wanted a big name.

Ole has made mistakes, but he wants the team to improve their fitness and play quick attacking football.
He has brought in very good players and got rid some we wanted out.

But he has not been helped by the board with players he needed.

He's doing fine. Since he took over we have more league points than Spurs, Chelsea and Arsenal. His signings have been fantastic and he's bringing back the right ethos and mindset to the club.

I think you are right. A lot of people on the internet just seem unwilling to give him a chance.

 

[rotherham_red]

We beat FC Midgetland 5-1 with a team full of kids under LvG.

We also lost to the same opposition two weeks previous to that game with an experienced team, your point being?

 

[rotherham_red]

We've lost to actual league 1 sides in my time supporting United, 1 performance with kids and fringe players does not mean anything.

Yup. Remember MK Dons absolutely battering a young Utd team 4-0 in LvG's first season? Some posters would do well to remember that.

 

[Mainoldo]

Name one game in the history of football where a team has thrown in 5 or more kids from the reserves and won, let alone played good football.

Some of you can’t see past the manager for some reason.

We played 3 kids. Arsenal just beat Frankfurt 3-0 with 3 kids. Please explain your point?