100% your opinion but I don't agree with it. I didn'y know that Icardi was offered to us, from what I've heard Icardi had a negative attitude, don't know if this is true or false which may have been off-putting but I put it down to the owners being too tight to spend the money and thinking that we have invested enough to get into top 4 which in my opinion we haven't done.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Maybe. But based on evergtheve he's said about Rashford he seems to rate him really highly.
Even a blind man can see that we were getting over run in midfield. Yet what did he do? Take off the only player who was playing well. McTominay. He should have taken off Mata and brought in Matic. Yes he did eventually and Matic did miss pass but it released Pogba. If Scott was still on he would be able to get into the box too. He brings on Lingard who did feck all as always. He should have put Greenwood as CF too.
Look he has no clue. Any Manager apart from Pep and Klopp and maybe Lampard, in the PL would come to United. And most of them would be much better than Ole too.
Scholes said United would not compete in the next three years.
He has to go now.
Look he has no clue. Any Manager apart from Pep and Klopp and maybe Lampard, in the PL would come to United. And most of them would be much better than Ole too.
Scholes said United would not compete in the next three years.
He has to go now.
Allegri. Taking English lessons too.
Why does it feel like every season apart from 1 or 2 post Ferguson have we been labelled with the stat of worst start to a season since..getting so sick of it!
I mean it's pretty true. e.g What more could City have done vs Spurs
I am totally lost for words!
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It’ll be more than 4 or 5 at the rate we sign players; Dan James’ll be 30 by the time we sign a midfielder.
So is he putting it all down to VAR and referees, rather than bad finishing, bad defending and bad management?
Look at our XI today...would you say we “underperformed” with that XI...or is it more or less about right away from home in the PL?
It really doesn’t matter who is in the dugout at the moment, the only solution is 10 out, 10 in
It really doesn’t matter who is in the dugout at the moment, the only solution is 10 out, 10 in
He left because United didnt give him the impression he was important. We didnt replace him because again, we didnt think hes important. Latest rumour is that we offered him lower wages.
Whatever you want to say, we've gone in the direction that a large amount of posters on this forum seemed to want us to go in. We're also rubbish at the moment.
I would say lack of investment in players is not the ONLY problem. The team definitely needs investment, but it also needs a tactically astute manager and coaching team (which Ole and company sadly don't seem to be).
So are we going to see this thread open up every time we drop points? Despite playing good football? I understand that results are not that good in terms of pionts but we are taking steps forward. Big steps.
As a "old" supporter it's shame to see this lack of patience from kids around here. Pepole often say that football cultures evolves in good and in bad ways. Right now it's in bad ways. What I clearly can see is this Football Manager culture showing it's colours nowdays. Sell players. Buy players. Get a team with 7 Neymars, Messis and Ronaldos. Fire manager. Lose one game? Fire again.
Changes takes time. Take a deep breath and chill for a moment.
As a "old" supporter it's shame to see this lack of patience from kids around here. Pepole often say that football cultures evolves in good and in bad ways. Right now it's in bad ways. What I clearly can see is this Football Manager culture showing it's colours nowdays. Sell players. Buy players. Get a team with 7 Neymars, Messis and Ronaldos. Fire manager. Lose one game? Fire again.
Changes takes time. Take a deep breath and chill for a moment.
Same. I remember hearing it even when SAF was manager, in 2007 and 2008.
I think he would always say that he rates Rashford highly because he wouldn't went to dent his confidence at this stage of his career.
What utter bollox. Leicester literally appointed a manager last season that would be doing a better job. We’ve been stuck in a perpetual rebuild since Fergie retired and made poor managerial appointments.
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Utter bs, we were a few points away from top 4 last season, Chelsea have an inexperienced manager, have a transfer ban for two windows with no prolific striker and having to call upon players that they have been loaning out for a few seasons, the only team we have to maybe catch up with is arsenal who surely doesn't take 4 or 5 windows to beat them to top 4 and then there is spurs who are only where they are thanks to potchettino and better hope he doesn't leave anytime soon.
I have had enough of the old guard from the glory years showing clear favouritism towards certain managers/players, if this was Mourinho in charge Scholes would be bashing him for not competing for the title let alone top 4.
Moyes too. It goes back years of bad management and ownership.
He could be a fb for us by then
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Outcomes aren’t directly under your control. Processes are though. Your tactics can be spot on, but if your goalkeeper fecks up or your strikers doesn’t doesn’t convert then you’re out of luck. There’s a lot of variation in shot stopping and scoring, even for the true elite. No one converts all their “sitters” or saves everything at their near post.
In fairness to Ole, the analytics will show us doing a lot right. Our methods are pretty sound, but we’re falling short in the key moments in games. We’ve been the better side, the side more likely to take home the three points on average, in every game. We're average finishing and goal keeping away from being on 8-10 points and feeling a lot more optimistic.
I’m still disappointed with Ole’s management during this poor run, especially his in game management. Too many times we’re the better side by only a small margin and we’re allowing chance to feck us over. We really need to exert a lot more authority and shape games to our will.
He's a clueless clown. I'll let his supporters catch up in a few months time.
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Should we bring back his quotes when LVG and Mourinho were in charge and how he was slaughtering them all the time and now coming up with this while Ole is in charge ?
I think Ole will find the best fit.....he's hampered by a really average squad which is clear to see
personally I think we need to play Pogba at 10 or on the left of a 3 - he's fine as a double pivot next to Kante with outlets like France have - very different options to us - Fred will return and I'd hope he can work well with McT but Ole's options are laughable
fans need some realism about what hes working with - I actually called for Matic today to free Pogba but it's clear he is done as a PL player. you can't coach Matic to stop turning like a bus. McTominay is limited and needs to develop but Pereira has never looked the right standard of player.
We had enough of the ball today to hurt teams but our lack of quality in key positions is really apparent. When Pogba was freed up a little he slipped Rashford in for half chances... they are the kind of chances City create 15 of a game. how many times did we pass poorly today- I'm not sure you can blame that on tactics.
I'd have major issues with Ole if he had decided that Mata, Lingard, Rashford, Martial and Greenwood was enough to get us top 4 this season. I'd also have these issues if we didnt see Gomes and Greenwood in there ahead of Mata, Lingard and Pereira in some of the games too. We are relying on having a proper recruitment structure in place which we obviously dont.
could a better coach get more out of these players? who knows but top 4 was always going to be improbable given our lack of options.
maybe you can suggest a better manager right now but my attitude is that if we are ever to see the best of Rashford, Martial, James, McTominay, Greenwood, Chong and Gomes etc we need to give them the opportunity to grow as a team. Ole has said this is a long term project. Ole is building a team to challenge for the league in 2 or 3 years. Hes clearing up the mess of the scatter gun transfer approaches of LVG and Jose. End of the season is the time to judge
What method? We are getting over run in midfield in every match we have played this season.
He has no clue. This is not 1999 to play the way he wants to play. Might as well play WW formation then.
Our shape was terrible when we lose the ball. Any decent manager in the PL would do better than him even with these players. Even Brendan Rodgers.
He has no clue. This is not 1999 to play the way he wants to play. Might as well play WW formation then.
Our shape was terrible when we lose the ball. Any decent manager in the PL would do better than him even with these players. Even Brendan Rodgers.
I see things to be positive about but other things that are more worrying. Even if Ole had the right players to work with and not this current group, i still think he wouldn't be able to achieve anything of note with us. I just don't see it with him. Awful subs usually. Picks the wrong team and tactics and can't respond to the way the game ebbs and flows. He's just not the required standard, so what's the point?
Completely agree. There's also a complete lack of consideration for environment, team culture, work done behind the scenes. I think a lot of people on here have a very limited insight into the kinds of things which are happening and need to happen. I think Ole's doing well so far. I won't feel that way if the club ends up outside the Top 4.
Is this happening? Or is it just a cost cutting, and expectation lowering exercise now, I think many are going to be disappointed if they invest too hope in us laying the foundations for something great in the future here.
Take a step back, same failed setup overseeing the transfers, a squad worse than last years, a manager who is totally unproven, and very little hope of getting top 4, so very little hope of attracting top players next summer even if the will to do it is there, all the time our reputation is eroding.
We are disappearing into a hole, and the only thing we seem good at is pushing the propaganda to keep pacifying the fans.
I agree with you looking at investment in a broader context of squad improvement, but that was not my point. My point was in the context of Palace and Southampton. If investment is being used as a justification or excuse or reason for our inability to beat either of the above, then it is plainly bonkers.
What do expect him to say? That he s shit?
If you want to get the best of those players you need a better coach and manager.
We look clueless in attack against teams that sit back and we have no plan B. Ole is more than 10 years in management and hasn’t learned.
You won’t get the best of those players with a manager that can’t coach the basics like even set pieces - both defending and attacking.
This is what I don’t understand about us. We’re always told we need patience with new managers, Moyes, Jose and especially Van Gaal all felt they didn’t get enough time, even though LVG and Jose had a full 2 years. Yet we see evidence all the time of other clubs in the league taking to a new play style in just a few short months. Leicester are a good example, like you say. Arsenal look better under Emery. Pep took a few months (and a few signings) to get City firing. Conte changed Chelsea to a back 5 and won the league in his first season!
Yet it’s always us that needs to have a bit more patience, even when things still aren’t good enough 2 years down the road.
Have some patience. Even if Pep agreed to come to united he will have tough time managing the team with so many average/below average players. I genuinely do not see manager is the issue. Yes, he has some limitation but all managers have pluses and minuses.
A team needs to have about 7-8 very good players to pose a formdiable challenge. Each top team has some or other average/below average players who get covered by the overall performance owning to those 7-8 good players. So we have 3 really good players in this year. Hopefully 3 more in next. That along with Pogba (if he stays) and DDG/Romero will take the count to that threshold. We should be fine.
And we are practically one good no. 10 away from solving midfield problem. I know it sounds simplistic but still optimistic nonetheless.
A team needs to have about 7-8 very good players to pose a formdiable challenge. Each top team has some or other average/below average players who get covered by the overall performance owning to those 7-8 good players. So we have 3 really good players in this year. Hopefully 3 more in next. That along with Pogba (if he stays) and DDG/Romero will take the count to that threshold. We should be fine.
And we are practically one good no. 10 away from solving midfield problem. I know it sounds simplistic but still optimistic nonetheless.
I agree, after the heat of a poor result when I want to show every single one of them the door this is pretty much where I am.
Exactly. I have made this point, in various forums and some people think my comments are without validation.
He doesn't know what he is trying to do. No playing or managerial style or strategy.
It’s because it’s rhe United way, yadda yadda, promoting youth, pashun, our core values, something. We need to be absolutely assured that it won’t work before we get our act together.
He does actually believe that the team is getting better and better. Un fecking believable.
True, at least Lampard is trying with the kids (but even then he has better players at his disposal than Ole).
I would love to see Ole giving academy players fair chance. But instead he is just rotating same old deadwood. I don't know after how many matches he will say enough is enough I am giving kids a chance, what worse could happen? Waiting for that day.
These 3 or 4 year rebuild jobs that people are talking about are more wishful thinking than anything else. More importantly, even if that was true, what exactly has Ole done so far to warrant the trust of being the right man for that monumental job? Other than being a nice guy, not much sadly. Klopp often gets mentioned but he had achieved so much more previously AND you could easily see what he was trying to do. Even when results were not getting their way people on here were saying they played very good football. I'm just not seeing it with us and Ole.
You can’t be serious about that mate. With those same players Ole was breaking strides in the beginning of his tenure as an interim.
You seriously believe no manager can make this lot play better?
I can show you a team that Fergie put up 15 years ago and we were easily top 4.
It’s not only the players or boards fault. You still need a figure to create a pattern of how you will play and get the best of the current crop.
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