I see Jose's Witnesses are in full strength these days. 
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Not a chance in hell Zidane would come here under the Glazers/Woodward
First of all, you doesn't seem to grasp what I was saying.
Obviously, I don't think that Palace and Leicester will feature above us but I was trying to draw some perspective.
We've played 4 games..... Let's take a look at the opposition we've played....
Chelsea (Home)
Wolves (Away)
Crystal Palace (Home)
Southampton (Away)
Have you noticed we scored the first goal in every one of those games. We strengthened our defense with the likes of Maguire and Wan Bassaka and still managed to drop points. We still haven't played the hardest fixtures yet and we've struggled so far.
You've got to read beyond the words and comprehend.
Needs another season to rebuild. The team is broken and I believe he's done pretty well in the transfer market considering you're not in the same level of the European elite anymore.
Best thing he's done compared to previous managers is get rid of the dead wood. This in effect will have a huge lift on the squad. United cannot expect instant gratification anymore. Look at City...their rebuild pretty much started with the signing of Robinho all those years ago...
Best thing he's done compared to previous managers is get rid of the dead wood. This in effect will have a huge lift on the squad. United cannot expect instant gratification anymore. Look at City...their rebuild pretty much started with the signing of Robinho all those years ago...
He still took squad members because there were squad positions to fill.
It didn’t mean that those players should be ones to build around. It does mean that you need to go into a season with the adequate squad.
From what I understood you argued that those defenders he brought weren’t supposed to be first teamers, yet he still needed them.
Good point. Strangely enough, I cannot see Ole voluntarily walking away. This is his dream job. Football managers are a bit like boxers and politicians, they are the last to realise when enough is enough. That is not intended as a criticism of Ole, because if I were in his position I would probably believe that I was one result away from turning things around too.
I do hope that he gets it right, but I cannot say that I am confident. This is a poor run against sides that we should be beating. There will be tougher tests to come and if Ole has anything tactically about him, he will need to start showing it pretty soon.
I am just going to go with the flow. Expected a crap season so not getting too wound up. But I hope some of you are more patient with Ole. He maybe not be some tactical genius a'la Pep but let him build a team . He has started with clearing Deadwood out. Hopefully now he gets backed in transfer window and maybe he can get a right mix of our youth and some experienced pros to propel us.
The next month's are gonna be hard but I think Ole has got something building there which will come to fruition.
Also Gomes and Tuanzebe needs to be tried by Ole somehow.
The next month's are gonna be hard but I think Ole has got something building there which will come to fruition.
Also Gomes and Tuanzebe needs to be tried by Ole somehow.
It’s a bit of a weird thing to worry about but our goal-kicks worried me. We had the two CBs in the box but nobody seemed to know what to do from there. De Gea waited an absolute age then smacked it upfield where Soton’s defensive midfielders/CBs won the ball back with ease, towering over Mata et al. Just giving away possession time and time again, with no plan B. Concerning.
He certainly will. Fred, bless him, seems like a key man in terms of prospects for the rest of the season. If he comes in and is good, I reckon top 4's on. But it's kinda like asking him to be a different player from last season.
Meh, doesn't make me feel any less shit about us.
Besides, Chelsea appear to be properly throwing in the kids at least. There's some solace to their crappiness.
100% back him
my only issue is Ole accepting our summer transfer business
it was wishful thinking to think top 4 was a possibility with our current midfield and striking options
it's going to be a tough watch at times this year and it's really frustrating at times. 1 quality player in RW or AM might have been the difference against Wolves, Palace or today
slow progress seems to be the plan so Ole deserves our support given his signings have been good so far
my only issue is Ole accepting our summer transfer business
it was wishful thinking to think top 4 was a possibility with our current midfield and striking options
it's going to be a tough watch at times this year and it's really frustrating at times. 1 quality player in RW or AM might have been the difference against Wolves, Palace or today
slow progress seems to be the plan so Ole deserves our support given his signings have been good so far
I mean we didn't really try for any other strikers which indicates Ole was happy with the options he had.
I somewhat agree but at least van Gaal and Mourinho were able to get champions league football and win cups, that's not happening under Solskjear, he's in the that category with Moyes of a manager that should never be anywhere near managing a club with expectations of winning things and competing in the champions league.
Why is it so hard for this club to select and be patient with a modern, forward thinking manager that has a credible cv and not reliant on a cheque book.
Totally agree mate glad to read something sensible finally today. It’s 6 years of awful signings that’s the issue. Compare Oles signings to previous managers he’s vastly improved us in one window
Jesus
Speaking of kids, Jesse did feature in the second half... :P
I agree. This place is unbearable whenever we don’t win.
For me this is the most coherent we’ve looked out of our last four managers, we haven’t been well beaten in any game and in fact could have won all four. Southampton celebrated a home draw today like they’d just won a trophy. We’re lacking in a couple of areas, I think once addressed we’ll see the team really take shape.
Maybe Ole was told that money wouldn't be made available for another striker.
Sorry mate, but that is ridiculous.
What is it since he took over. Why are gerrymandering management periods
He’s actually not unproven anymore. There’s a good amount of data telling you that he just isn’t good.
There is a very good reason why for 10 years not even a mid table club approached him.
Surprising comments here when our issue in the last 3 games is very clear.
Shots against Wolves: 9; Conceded: 6; Result 1-1
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...020-Wolverhampton-Wanderers-Manchester-United
Shots against Palace: 22; Conceded: 5; Result 1-2
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ue-2019-2020-Manchester-United-Crystal-Palace
Shots against Southampton: 21, Conceded: 10; Result 1-1
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...eague-2019-2020-Southampton-Manchester-United
Total shots: 52; Total conceded: 21
Goals scored: 3, Goals conceded: 4
Two penalties and both missed too, by the way.
Call it lack of quality, bad luck, bad planning in the summer or all of them together. But we're losing the points in both boxes.
We can also say that Chelsea outplayed us for parts of the game, and based on shots we didn't deserve to win (11-18). I said back then that if they've scored first (and had some chances for it) that game would have been different.
I would have understood certain comments after a weak start that game, but then you see our performances and total shots balance against those three teams, and I still don't know how Wolves, Crystal Palace and Southampton can score more goals than us with less than half of our attempts. I think our players are bottling it big time and they're throwing the good work down the drain, so we need to find improvements under the stones to have even better balances, considering how useless they are.
For a start I'd start exploring a formation change, because this 4-2-3-1 with Pogba in the middle doesn't convince me at all. His weaknesses are exposed every game and it hides his biggest qualities. We don't have enough players to start 4 quality attackers, so just protect Pogba with another midfielder and allow him to focus more on attack, like he did during that magic run last season. It will be pointless if we still need 20 shots to score a goal, but I would try.
Another issue, his blind confidence on Lingard. A player that can't produce a single goal or assist in the league since December plays regularly and is brought with 1-1 to try to win the game, pretty pointless. You can see how Lingard loses credit game after game, being subbed sooner every time, not starting now, but I mean, it's enough. Play the guy in the Europa League and the cup, and don't let him play again in the league until he scores a pair of goals.
This leads me to the next point - he's playing a lot of young players but maybe we need more. Today Greenwood could have started without problems, and those last 20 minutes Gomes could have produced something near the box coming from the bench. Compare his vision, creativity and ability to pass, with Lingard running with the ball and shooting against a defender 25 yards away from goal. There's some margin there to improve.
Another question raises up with Lindelof, good defender but useless in the air and it's two goals now in similar fashion. I think our defenders should have been more prepared to defend that ball against Palace but one goal more or less makes no difference. The problem is that I can see teams planning to expose Lindelof in the air on purpose, so I would consider a change there before it becomes a rule.
So in the end the changes I would introduce would make our young team even younger, which is not convicing either and explains the situation we're in. Bad if you change things and bad if you don't. Good luck to Ole to turn the bad results around, because it's apparent that working well with these guys is not enough.
Shots against Wolves: 9; Conceded: 6; Result 1-1
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...020-Wolverhampton-Wanderers-Manchester-United
Shots against Palace: 22; Conceded: 5; Result 1-2
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...ue-2019-2020-Manchester-United-Crystal-Palace
Shots against Southampton: 21, Conceded: 10; Result 1-1
https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...eague-2019-2020-Southampton-Manchester-United
Total shots: 52; Total conceded: 21
Goals scored: 3, Goals conceded: 4
Two penalties and both missed too, by the way.
Call it lack of quality, bad luck, bad planning in the summer or all of them together. But we're losing the points in both boxes.
We can also say that Chelsea outplayed us for parts of the game, and based on shots we didn't deserve to win (11-18). I said back then that if they've scored first (and had some chances for it) that game would have been different.
I would have understood certain comments after a weak start that game, but then you see our performances and total shots balance against those three teams, and I still don't know how Wolves, Crystal Palace and Southampton can score more goals than us with less than half of our attempts. I think our players are bottling it big time and they're throwing the good work down the drain, so we need to find improvements under the stones to have even better balances, considering how useless they are.
For a start I'd start exploring a formation change, because this 4-2-3-1 with Pogba in the middle doesn't convince me at all. His weaknesses are exposed every game and it hides his biggest qualities. We don't have enough players to start 4 quality attackers, so just protect Pogba with another midfielder and allow him to focus more on attack, like he did during that magic run last season. It will be pointless if we still need 20 shots to score a goal, but I would try.
Another issue, his blind confidence on Lingard. A player that can't produce a single goal or assist in the league since December plays regularly and is brought with 1-1 to try to win the game, pretty pointless. You can see how Lingard loses credit game after game, being subbed sooner every time, not starting now, but I mean, it's enough. Play the guy in the Europa League and the cup, and don't let him play again in the league until he scores a pair of goals.
This leads me to the next point - he's playing a lot of young players but maybe we need more. Today Greenwood could have started without problems, and those last 20 minutes Gomes could have produced something near the box coming from the bench. Compare his vision, creativity and ability to pass, with Lingard running with the ball and shooting against a defender 25 yards away from goal. There's some margin there to improve.
Another question raises up with Lindelof, good defender but useless in the air and it's two goals now in similar fashion. I think our defenders should have been more prepared to defend that ball against Palace but one goal more or less makes no difference. The problem is that I can see teams planning to expose Lindelof in the air on purpose, so I would consider a change there before it becomes a rule.
So in the end the changes I would introduce would make our young team even younger, which is not convicing either and explains the situation we're in. Bad if you change things and bad if you don't. Good luck to Ole to turn the bad results around, because it's apparent that working well with these guys is not enough.
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How do you back a manager whose had 3 wins in 18 games since he took over as permanent manager and has showed no insight tactically speaking. We still persist with a 4-2-3-1 which hasn't worked and Pogba playing as a DM. Where did all the high press go? Seemed pretty non existent in today's game or the one against Crystal Palace? or let me guess, we need a proper preseason to get our players fit?
After 4 games Oles not been able to deliver cl football or win cups
Look - we are 4 games in - anyone who was looking for a miracle turnaround needs to wake up and smell the coffee - everyone was looking for improvement this season - and there definitely has been - those that think we are going to be spanking teams like the good old days are just unrealistic.
Ole’s plan will take a few seasons to come to fruition - if you look at today’s game - the best players on the park were our new signings - I’ve been so impressed with AWB so far and James has surpassed my expectations - Maguire is solid and passes the ball nicely - the problem is the midfield - we all knew that going into this season. Pogba has got to play further forward as in the 1st half today he was poor - continually mis-passing or losing possession - Pereira doesn’t cut it in that 3 so we now have to hope that Fred can come good as he will enable Pogba to get further forward......We really need him back up to speed quick.
I was also really impressed with Greenwood when he came on - Ole has talked him up and I reckon he will be his saviour - play him from the start next game as he couldn’t do any worse that Rashford today - let’s get these kids playing as Matic isn’t going to offer the team anything creative when he comes on so I’d rather see Gomes when we need to break down teams......Ole has talked up the academy players so he now needs to actually play them....
Patience everyone - Rome wasn’t built in a day......
Ole’s plan will take a few seasons to come to fruition - if you look at today’s game - the best players on the park were our new signings - I’ve been so impressed with AWB so far and James has surpassed my expectations - Maguire is solid and passes the ball nicely - the problem is the midfield - we all knew that going into this season. Pogba has got to play further forward as in the 1st half today he was poor - continually mis-passing or losing possession - Pereira doesn’t cut it in that 3 so we now have to hope that Fred can come good as he will enable Pogba to get further forward......We really need him back up to speed quick.
I was also really impressed with Greenwood when he came on - Ole has talked him up and I reckon he will be his saviour - play him from the start next game as he couldn’t do any worse that Rashford today - let’s get these kids playing as Matic isn’t going to offer the team anything creative when he comes on so I’d rather see Gomes when we need to break down teams......Ole has talked up the academy players so he now needs to actually play them....
Patience everyone - Rome wasn’t built in a day......
If somebody else had got the job when Ole did (let’s say Jardim, for example) and had an identical record. He’d be under huge pressure to be sacked I think.
Fans are being lenient because he’s a legend for us as a player, but I’m not sure that does us any good.
Do I want him sacked? No, for 2 reasons. 1) I don’t know who is out there that will do better. There is no quick fix. 2) I like him. But that is based on his playing ability and personality, as opposed to his managerial ability.
Fans are being lenient because he’s a legend for us as a player, but I’m not sure that does us any good.
Do I want him sacked? No, for 2 reasons. 1) I don’t know who is out there that will do better. There is no quick fix. 2) I like him. But that is based on his playing ability and personality, as opposed to his managerial ability.
Jesus
It is alright saying that, but those team will not stand still. The gap could get wider year by year. What then?
Bad management sure, bad coaching no, just not good enough players, blind faith in players doesn't help.
Bad management is surely the case though with the balance of the squad. Haven't seen a manager who will weaken his squad going into the season.
We are wasteful in front of goal and make stupid mistakes at the back. Apart from that.
After cooling down for a bit, i have come to the conclusion that i still back him. For now. For the following reasons
1. Our squad is simply shit compared to what we are used to. Lingaard, Pereira, McTominay, Rashford, Lindelof, Shaw, Fred, Matic Young*, Mata* (*current versions) would never get into a United team of the past, and these are not fringe players. These are first XI regulars
2. He hes trimmed a lot of deadwood from our squad. Which was the first step really in our rebuild
3. Our two star players. De Gea and Pogba are playing fecking shit and can honestly feck off if they continue with this bollocks. That cross that Soton scored on today would any good united keeper in the past had gone out and punched, and Pogba was so casual in possession today it was almost scary
4. His three incoming transfer this season have been super solid. Maguire we know is good, AWB looks like a future star and James is currently our top scorer
5. We have deserved more in our last three games. Missed a pen vs wolves, Palace was just fecked up for so many reasons and Soton pretty much had no chances besides the corner which lead to a goal
6. In our current situation it is just senseless because: a) We are in the middle of a rebuild, so starting over now would set us back even more. b) Who is available?
1. Our squad is simply shit compared to what we are used to. Lingaard, Pereira, McTominay, Rashford, Lindelof, Shaw, Fred, Matic Young*, Mata* (*current versions) would never get into a United team of the past, and these are not fringe players. These are first XI regulars
2. He hes trimmed a lot of deadwood from our squad. Which was the first step really in our rebuild
3. Our two star players. De Gea and Pogba are playing fecking shit and can honestly feck off if they continue with this bollocks. That cross that Soton scored on today would any good united keeper in the past had gone out and punched, and Pogba was so casual in possession today it was almost scary
4. His three incoming transfer this season have been super solid. Maguire we know is good, AWB looks like a future star and James is currently our top scorer
5. We have deserved more in our last three games. Missed a pen vs wolves, Palace was just fecked up for so many reasons and Soton pretty much had no chances besides the corner which lead to a goal
6. In our current situation it is just senseless because: a) We are in the middle of a rebuild, so starting over now would set us back even more. b) Who is available?
I don't think the coaching is entirely up to scratch either. Why are freekicks a waste of time, why are corners a waste of time? Do they have a routine at corners or is it just hit and hope?
Well we should have taken the swap deal with Icardi when he was offered to us in exchange for Lukaku. I don't buy into Ole not having money made available to him. He has relied way too heavily on Martial and Rashford who haven't delivered 20 goals a season a piece and that show lack of experience.
That's the worst diss you can give to a manager!
Ole's MUFC have been poor since the PSG match. No one can argue about that. Relegation form.
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Or one transfer window where we go all out and the team learn how to play with one another as its their profession and they've done it for every single day of their lives
Ole didn't come in to bring tactical "geniusness", he came in to bring happiness and liven the mood of fans and players... Based on that he has done excellently, if you're judging based on other criteria, then Ole out!
I will always support whoever the manager is, even more a club legend. However let's not expect too much from Ole, other than bringing happiness.
I will always support whoever the manager is, even more a club legend. However let's not expect too much from Ole, other than bringing happiness.
This is astonishing. So Ole has not been given the signings he needed to beat Crystal Palace at Old Trafford or ten man Southampton at St Mary's. So how much do you think we need to beat those two then? An extra £200m perhaps? Yes United need investment in the same way as every side in the division would bite their chairman's arm offer if offered the opportunity to bring in new players to enhance their side. But let's not kid ourselves on here if we cannot beat Palace at home and a ten man Saints team away, investment in players is not the problem.
Come on now you know we ain't going to achieve anything of note with Solskjear and it ain't going to take a whole season to realize that, same with Moyes.
Theres probably a clue in my posts
This is not Oles fault this is the fault of them fecking parasites running our club and that clown Woodward who for some reason refuses to appoint a director of football to oversee transfers etc.
We have gone from Champions to a top 8 side in the past 6 years and this is solely down to the above mentioned. It's been coming it will get a whole lot worse I fear before it gets any better .
We have gone from Champions to a top 8 side in the past 6 years and this is solely down to the above mentioned. It's been coming it will get a whole lot worse I fear before it gets any better .
He looks stressed to me as well.
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