I think that as long as we are top 6 minimum. Think if we feck up and finish 7th 8th Woody may hit the panic button.
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Possibly but I think it will depend on how we finish the season as well. Finish strong and it could be a story of just missing out instead of a collapse again like last year. Narrative is important.
All that is fixable with some nice and early big transfers in the summer though.
Hang on. What the feck is all this about. Right after the very tweet where it says wages went up 12% for ONE YEAR it says that United’s wage went up pretty much 50% over a three year period. Which is what I said. I didn’t ignore those players, they were just so cheap that they didn’t matter. As for “79 million per transfer window” to Jose’s 84. Can you tell me how you’ve arrived at those sums?
@Wumminator i think its also worthe mentioning that Jose did that (poor transfer business) off the back of United signing players like Schwiensteiger and Fellaini.
We have a mountian to climb amd Ole is doing well so far working out who is capable of getting us where we need to be. Youthful team, attacking approach. Yes some deficiencies but we're on the right track.
We have a mountian to climb amd Ole is doing well so far working out who is capable of getting us where we need to be. Youthful team, attacking approach. Yes some deficiencies but we're on the right track.
Not entirely true, is it? Ok, after all the injuries last season the form took a dramatic dip. Also running stats was in free fall.
But from what I have read about statistics, there is a massive change. Results will be hit and miss, that’s in the nature of fading out players, playing a young squad and building new relationships on the field. If you are the type of football fan that don’t like to go in details, sure. You can call the Palace game grim reading and so on. But if you are the kind of football fan who likes to go in details and look at the bigger picture, the op has a very strong point.
Basically.
I agree with the OP and think we have to take this season on the chin (as painful as that may be) and simply develop our style of play whilst blooding the young players and giving full seasons to others like Martial in his preferred position and McTominay who could develop into a very useful squad player and maybe more.
I don’t agree with all the players Ole is putting his faith in but I like that he is at least trying to stick to what he thinks is his best XI. We have chopped and changed so much over the years no one even knew what that was for about 8 of our positions. This year I think we have 9 positions locked down when everyone is fit.
We have a ridiculously unbalanced squad that was not going to be rectified in one summer transfer window. Apart from Herrera the players he has let go are ones most on here were desperate to let go. People complain about no replacement for Herrera, Lukaku and Sanchez but then the same people complain when we are linked to transfers that will block the progress of their favourite young player. I would have liked to keep Herrera but not at the wages he has reportedly got at PSG and that is the issue we have put ourselves in recently, paying over the odds wages on older or average players. Removing these players from the club will obviously help in the long term when conducting future transfer negotiations and wage increases of our current squad. Hopefully no more ridiculous wages chasing a quick fix.
We still have a lot of deadwood that we need to get rid off which again highlights the unbalanced squad we have. I’d like to see Darmian and Rojo sold as well before the end of the window and if not in January. They will not feature this year so just give them away if needs be, then look to bring in the right players over the next 2 windows to balance the squad out which would mean 2 players for each position.
If Ole is given the time which I think he will then I have faith that he will rebuild the squad with quality players that will not need to be shipped out in the next couple of years.
I don’t agree with all the players Ole is putting his faith in but I like that he is at least trying to stick to what he thinks is his best XI. We have chopped and changed so much over the years no one even knew what that was for about 8 of our positions. This year I think we have 9 positions locked down when everyone is fit.
We have a ridiculously unbalanced squad that was not going to be rectified in one summer transfer window. Apart from Herrera the players he has let go are ones most on here were desperate to let go. People complain about no replacement for Herrera, Lukaku and Sanchez but then the same people complain when we are linked to transfers that will block the progress of their favourite young player. I would have liked to keep Herrera but not at the wages he has reportedly got at PSG and that is the issue we have put ourselves in recently, paying over the odds wages on older or average players. Removing these players from the club will obviously help in the long term when conducting future transfer negotiations and wage increases of our current squad. Hopefully no more ridiculous wages chasing a quick fix.
We still have a lot of deadwood that we need to get rid off which again highlights the unbalanced squad we have. I’d like to see Darmian and Rojo sold as well before the end of the window and if not in January. They will not feature this year so just give them away if needs be, then look to bring in the right players over the next 2 windows to balance the squad out which would mean 2 players for each position.
If Ole is given the time which I think he will then I have faith that he will rebuild the squad with quality players that will not need to be shipped out in the next couple of years.
Mourinho doesn't pay wages it's that tard Woodward . Do you think LVG went and said bring me Di Maria and Falcao do you think Mourinho went and said get me Sanchez ? All big names that Woodward creamed himself over . Managers are coaches these days they have little or nothing to do with the financial side of the game
I'm gonna go with, because our negotiators are absolutely useless.
Dont know about Falcao but Van Gaal for sure said he wanted wingers like Di Maria in one of his interviews, later we signed Di Maria.
Good thing Ole is happy with the squad. I won't feel any regret slaughtering him for tactical errors for the rest of the season then.
You really think Moyes and LVG did better in the transfer market ? Do I really need to start naming players from both their stints at the club . Martial aside it's been a disaster
Yeah I think they did.
Make a new thread with a list of all the signings and total cost. Moyes comes out on top easily.
Back him! I am fed up wanting the next manager or the next player. I think the appointment was a bit rash in hindsight but I am backing him 100%.
So what!? Doesn't reflect anything after 1 mistake, Pogba & Rashford missed crucial penalties so "how long will they last" ?
I haven't been reading this thread. Are there seriously people saying we should sack Solskjaer or is just 60 pages of people saying give him a chance?
Back Back Forth and Forth a famous song by Aaliyah. This is what we do all the time. So Solksjaer is pushing Alexis out of the door for 10 months with no option to buy for Inter. It means we get him back when he is 31 and then we do this all over again. I do not want us to move players out the door if we do not have replacements. Our attacking line up is Lingard,Rashy,Martial,James vs Mane,Salah,Firmino Sterling, Aguero, B Silva, Auba,Pepe,Laca, Kane,Alli,Son.
How did our beloved club get to this. You have to look at Management in all of these cases. I hope for Ole sake this works out but i only see one sceneraio. We will struggle this season and he will be gone by November with his reputation tarnished even more as a Manager.
We will have Mike Phelan as our caretaker Coach by December.....
How did our beloved club get to this. You have to look at Management in all of these cases. I hope for Ole sake this works out but i only see one sceneraio. We will struggle this season and he will be gone by November with his reputation tarnished even more as a Manager.
We will have Mike Phelan as our caretaker Coach by December.....
Good post @Wumminator
I imagine longer than Lindelof.
Coming from you that means a massive amount. Thank you.
I find that hard to believe saying he didn't play him after a dozen or so games . I don't doubt he wanted a winger but I'd guess he wouldn't want a player who didn't really want to come
You have to scroll down about 20 tweets for that. Not all of that time is Mourinho and some is accounted for by the fact we qualified for the Champions League. If you break it down in the three years prior to Mourinho our wage bill increased by over 28% compared to about 27.5% under Mourinho. If you actually look at the numbers it’s easy to see who’s actually responsible for that and it’s neither manager.
From Transfermarkets site for both managers and divide by transfer windows. If you care to provide other facts then feel free.
He named Di Maria in one of his interviews. When asked why he isn't playing 4-3-3, he said he wants wingers like Ronaldo, Di Maria to play 4-3-3.
Why not just say how much they both spent? Dividing by transfer windows is mental.
Yeah I think they did.
Make a new thread with a list of all the signings and total cost. Moyes comes out on top easily.
Moyes signed Fellaini ffs . What a great one signing he made
That’s blatantly untrue.
It’s less than a year since Jose got sacked. He’s had two players in our first team. Pogba (the best one) was on the bench and he was looking to sell.
LVG spent 200 million less and got Martial and Shaw. He left four years ago!
Not it’s not because one was at the club longer than the other. Van Gaal spent 247m more than Moyes to improve us by two places and two points. Is that fair without context?
Despite the terrible formatting the OP is essentially accurate.
Mourinho wasted a ridiculous amount of money and Solskjaer inherited a bloated squad with a shocking wage bill relative to it's quality. He's clearly thinking long term with his signings and youth development and people need to bare that in mind when assessing his decisions.
Mourinho wasted a ridiculous amount of money and Solskjaer inherited a bloated squad with a shocking wage bill relative to it's quality. He's clearly thinking long term with his signings and youth development and people need to bare that in mind when assessing his decisions.
Where are you plucking these figures from?
Are you just ignoring the actual facts of the wage bill then?
Its funny how you neglect to mention that we won the Europa league with Mourinho. Original post just seems like a hate post against Mourinho. I dont think Ole is turning anything round. And this transfer window has been a disaster.
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I’ve posted a link to say that Mourinho increased the wage bill by almost half (without a full season of Sanchez). From the amazing SwissRamble. You’ve posted nothing to dispute that. You actually were wrong because you didn’t scroll down a Twitter thread.
No you haven’t. Because it’s 103m over a longer period and a more successful one at that.
No he didn’t because it has to include a period before he was even at the club. It’s a 3 year figure and he’d been at the club two years. It specifically mentions how part of the increase is due to him actually qualifying for the Champions League which you ignored. I’ve provided the actual figure if you actually work them out yourself. The wages increased at a higher rate the three years before Mourinho. You’re talking absolute shite.
Why do fans incessantly bang on about the manager being involved with the amount United buys or sells a player for as well as the amount of wages a player makes? That is all on Ed and his negotiating sidekick who’s name escapes me at the moment.
Moyes, LVG, Jose, and Ole have all provided Ed with a list of players they do and don’t want. It’s clear Ed has the final say on what player comes in, how much we pay, and what his wages will be. I seriously doubt a banker is going to discuss the ins and outs of a deal worth 10’s of millions with someone who sole job is to coach football.
Moyes, LVG, Jose, and Ole have all provided Ed with a list of players they do and don’t want. It’s clear Ed has the final say on what player comes in, how much we pay, and what his wages will be. I seriously doubt a banker is going to discuss the ins and outs of a deal worth 10’s of millions with someone who sole job is to coach football.
I know some people see positivity as a virtue but if you can look at the club now and think things are turning around, then I can only strongly disagree.
On the website.
LVG's first season:
Signings: 175 mil
Income 45 mil
Signings: 140 mil
Income: 90 mil
Total spent 315 mil
Net: 185 mil
Jose's first season: 166 mil
Income: 42
Jose's second season: 178 mil
Income: 40
Jose's third season: 75 mil
Income: 25 mil
Total spent: 419 million
Total Net: 312 million.
You are right, total it is close (only 104 million) but LVG spent 140 million less when you take net figures into account.
United's wage bill was 232 million when LVG left. Under Ferguson it was 215 million.
Now the wage bill is at 295 million.
To claim it increased more under anyone else is madness. Remember LVG's last season saw us in the Champions League as well.
EDIT: Just remembered Fellaini left under Ole, so Mourinho's net will be closer to 150 million more than LVG
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