Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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soaphroniscuss said:
“They beat us on all the basics. The basics you know, long throw in, stick your head in. Our own corner kick, they counter-attack. Their corner, they’re first to the ball. Good strike by the way. The fourth one as well. There’s many chances as well to get rid of the ball. Stick your head in again. So we were beaten on all the things, all the ingredients you need added to your talent.”.

"Basic ingredients in a team performance are running, fitness, that team desire"



Some might suggest that teamwork and team structure are as fundamental, if not more fundamental.

Or am I missing something?
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Yes, you are missing the question that was asked about, which was on Everton outrunning us by 8 KMs and question was about work rate.

In the same press conference, he also said we lack fitness and fitness has nothing to do with talent, meaning we lack the basic things in football.
 
If Ole had never played for United, would he have been appointed manager based on managerial performance? Hell no.

It's simple. Rational folk, not high on glory year acid, aren't clouded by the crippling sentimentality that a lot of people stew in.
 
ZenMaster Coltrane said:
If Ole had never played for United, would he have been appointed manager based on managerial performance? Hell no.

It's simple. Rational folk, not high on glory year acid, aren't clouded by the crippling sentimentality that a lot of people stew in.
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Zidane wouldn't have managed Madrid the way that happened if he didn't play for them either. Not sure if needing to find ways to simplify a situation just to confirm your own opinion is considered rational.
 
MikeKing said:
Zidane wouldn't have managed Madrid the way that happened if he didn't play for them either. Not sure if needing to find ways to simplify a situation just to confirm your own opinion is considered rational.
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Comparing Ole to Zidane as a manager is almost as laughable as comparing them as players if Zidane or any Real manager had lost as many games as Ole did he wouldn't have a job at Real.
 
Un4givableB said:
Comparing Ole to Zidane as a manager is almost as laughable as comparing them as players if Zidane or any Real manager had lost as many games as Ole did he wouldn't have a job at Real.
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He didnt compare their ability as managers but the route for them to land the job.
 
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
 
Vissy said:
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
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Transfer ambassador? In his first spell they rarely made any transfers. @carvajal?

Also if you don’t think he’s a proper manager then God knows who you think is one.
 
Vissy said:
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
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What utter drivel.

Real only really brought in 2 players during Zidane's 1st reign.

Morata and Theo.

Imagine thinking Ole is a better manager than Zidane at the moment. A man who steered a club to 3 successive Champion Leagues titles.
 
Vissy said:
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
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fecking hell.
 
I don’t think Ole is the right man but it’s definitely not Ole’s fault we’ve only signed one winger from the championship 2 weeks before the pre season training. I guarantee you that we’ll end up with worse squad this season than the last.
 
Vissy said:
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
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:lol: this place
 
Vissy said:
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
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I’m far from convinced that Zidane would prosper at United given the current setup, but this is still hilarious :lol:
 
MaxiPaxi said:
I don’t think Ole is the right man but it’s definitely not Ole’s fault we’ve only signed one winger from the championship 2 weeks before the pre season training. I guarantee you that we’ll end up with worse squad this season than the last.
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What players is Ole targeting though. Not defending Woodward, think he's an inept fool, but he has at least proved himself at being able to sign top talent when he's been given the task. What is worrying me right now is the players we're targeting, this wouldn't be only on Woodward.
 
Shark said:
What players is Ole targeting though. Not defending Woodward, think he's an inept fool, but he has at least proved himself at being able to sign top talent when he's been given task.
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Like who? Handing out 250k a week to every dickhead is not impressive.
 
haram said:
Like who? Handing out 250k a week to every dickhead is not impressive.
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Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Martial, Shaw, Herrera, Lindelof, Mata to name a few. Not all have been brilliant signings but it's not exactly what you're saying either.
 
Shark said:
Ibrahimovic, Pogba, Martial, Shaw, Herrera, Mata to name a few. Not all have been brilliant signings but it's not exactly what you're saying either.
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You think it's Woodward's work that got them to join Manchester United? Anyone could sit there and convince these players to join Manchester United while earning 200k a week.
 
Vissy said:
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
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This is ridiculous. :lol: He won three back to back European Cup's he has to be doing something right. :wenger:
 
Then again, you give Zidane this United team and he isn't doing any better than Ole.
 
Greck said:
The English player policy is what is being attributed to him not a lack of transfers. It's been reported for a loong time that this was what he and Phelan wanted. The actions that followed have confirmed it. I'm not too elated with that direction. It's almost more gimmicky than Jose buying players for their height
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The last time this team had a core of English players we won the league like it was routine, and the Champions League, so there's that.

The point of having English, or British players, is that it's easier to build a foundation and a identity with players that have grown up in the same region as you have, share the same principles and are willing to bleed to win the Premier League. To a home grown player, this league and what happens in it is to many of the players more imporant than having blood in your body.

Yes you can buy foreign megastars, but just look at how football is trending. The players that remain with the club for their careers, or any significant amount of it, are fewer and fewer between. Just look at the crap happening in PSG now with their megastars openly wanting to leave the club to play with other players and other clubs just because. Look at what's going on with our own record purchase that speaks about wanting a new challenge, at a event for our own fkn sponsor of all things. It's hopeless to build your team around players that might want to just sod off the next year or two because they want a new infinity paycheck somewhere sunny.

VERY FEW British players compared to the number playing in the Premier League ever leave the Premier League. And that is the entire point of bringing in English youth.

We want a new Paul Scholes, a new Roy Keane, new Neville's, a new Beckham, a new Giggs, a new Andy Cole to score the goals, etc etc. It's players with this mentality that let's you build a dynasty. It's players like Coutinho, Pogba, Neymar etc that will really fk up your stability.

Yes there are foreign players that remain with the club for a very very long time, but they are in the minority.

The point is stability. Stability, longevity and affordable talent. We are about to pay £55 million (if reports are true, incl. added bonuses) for the best right back in the Premier League, a guy that practically never gets beaten. We want more of that. A LOT more of that.
 
Ole has almost got an impossible job in a crazy market.

Inherited a squad that is disjointed, un-committed and full of bad ego's.

Ole also has players from 4 previous managers all bought for different styles of play and is paying the price for some utterly shambolic transfer dealings.

Ole has I would say, 5 players who are past they're best and should have been sold long ago:
Jones/Young/Lingard/Smalling/Valencia/

Ole also has failed signings who haven't worked/not progressed:
Darmian/Rojo/Bailly/Sanchez/Lukaku

Ole also has aging players who should only be used around the squad and not starters:
Mata/Matic

Ole, most worryingly also has players who have contract issues/may be pushing for a move:
Periera/Pogab/DDG/Rashford

Where does he start re-shaping this squad? Its WAY to much work for one window,

At a minimum I would say our outgoings need to be around the 6 or 7 figure, maybe more if Pogba/DDG are looking for a move also.

What I like about Ole is he is saying the right things about what he wants from the squad, style of play/workrate etc. I just don't think the current squad is capable as they have proven over seasons gone by.

Without major outgoings Ole is doomed. The current squad is shambolic. The attitude is all wrong, we have too many bad personalities in that dressing room.

What I like is we have a clear transfer strategy now, build around youth. Whether Woodword can get the deals done is another thing.

We need to act quick, the Wan-Bissaka one just highlights how poor we are. No rivals, we know the price and we've been haggling over the fee for weeks. Just get the deal done and pay up. Its the way the game is, we need to adapt to the modern game not haggle over add-ons etc.

I've said time and time again, Ole is the right man for the job if he is afforded time. Out-goings need to happen urgently
 
Craig Ward said:
Ole has almost got an impossible job in a crazy market.

Inherited a squad that is disjointed, un-committed and full of bad ego's.

Ole also has players from 4 previous managers all bought for different styles of play and is paying the price for some utterly shambolic transfer dealings.

Ole has I would say, 5 players who are past they're best and should have been sold long ago:
Jones/Young/Lingard/Smalling/Valencia/

Ole also has failed signings who haven't worked/not progressed:
Darmian/Rojo/Bailly/Sanchez/Lukaku

Ole also has aging players who should only be used around the squad and not starters:
Mata/Matic

Ole, most worryingly also has players who have contract issues/may be pushing for a move:
Periera/Pogab/DDG/Rashford

Where does he start re-shaping this squad? Its WAY to much work for one window,

At a minimum I would say our outgoings need to be around the 6 or 7 figure, maybe more if Pogba/DDG are looking for a move also.

What I like about Ole is he is saying the right things about what he wants from the squad, style of play/workrate etc. I just don't think the current squad is capable as they have proven over seasons gone by.

Without major outgoings Ole is doomed. The current squad is shambolic. The attitude is all wrong, we have too many bad personalities in that dressing room.

What I like is we have a clear transfer strategy now, build around youth. Whether Woodword can get the deals done is another thing.

We need to act quick, the Wan-Bissaka one just highlights how poor we are. No rivals, we know the price and we've been haggling over the fee for weeks. Just get the deal done and pay up. Its the way the game is, we need to adapt to the modern game not haggle over add-ons etc.

I've said time and time again, Ole is the right man for the job if he is afforded time. Out-goings need to happen urgently
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You can say this about the last two managers.
 
Vissy said:
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
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Yes the fecking Molde manager is better than someone who won the CL 3 times in a row :wenger::wenger::lol:
 
Vissy said:
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
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What would Ramos and Ronaldo know about how Madrid should play better than Zidane? Nothing.

Zidane’s role on the pitch as a player required a substantial tactical understanding of the game. There’s a reason almost every single successful manager was a midfielder or defender, not a tap-in merchant.

Guardiola, Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Diego Simeone, Conte. None were attackers.

Honestly struggle to think of a single successful manager in the modern era who was an attacker. We saw how well Henry did, and he still had way more football intelligence than most forwards.
 
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Saffron said:
What would Ramos and Ronaldo know about how Madrid should play better than Zidane? Nothing.

Zidane’s role on the pitch as a player required a substantial tactical understanding of the game. There’s a reason almost every single successful manager was a midfielder or defender, not a tap-in merchant.

Guardiola, Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Diego Simeone, Conte. None were attackers.

Honestly struggle to think of a single succesful manager in the modern era who was an attacker. We saw how well Henry did, and he still had way more football intelligence than most forwards.
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Ahmmmm, a quick Wikipedia search on one Sir Alex Ferguson and his playing career might destroy your argument but worry not...
 
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Saffron said:
What would Ramos and Ronaldo know about how Madrid should play better than Zidane? Nothing.

Zidane’s role on the pitch as a player required a substantial tactical understanding of the game. There’s a reason almost every single successful manager was a midfielder or defender, not a tap-in merchant.

Guardiola, Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Diego Simeone, Conte. None were attackers.

Honestly struggle to think of a single successful manager in the modern era who was an attacker. We saw how well Henry did, and he still had way more football intelligence than most forwards.
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Not that I disagree with your point but Ferguson and Heynckes were both forwards.
 
Tom Cato said:
The last time this team had a core of English players we won the league like it was routine, and the Champions League, so there's that.

The point of having English, or British players, is that it's easier to build a foundation and a identity with players that have grown up in the same region as you have, share the same principles and are willing to bleed to win the Premier League. To a home grown player, this league and what happens in it is to many of the players more imporant than having blood in your body.

Yes you can buy foreign megastars, but just look at how football is trending. The players that remain with the club for their careers, or any significant amount of it, are fewer and fewer between. Just look at the crap happening in PSG now with their megastars openly wanting to leave the club to play with other players and other clubs just because. Look at what's going on with our own record purchase that speaks about wanting a new challenge, at a event for our own fkn sponsor of all things. It's hopeless to build your team around players that might want to just sod off the next year or two because they want a new infinity paycheck somewhere sunny.

VERY FEW British players compared to the number playing in the Premier League ever leave the Premier League. And that is the entire point of bringing in English youth.

We want a new Paul Scholes, a new Roy Keane, new Neville's, a new Beckham, a new Giggs, a new Andy Cole to score the goals, etc etc. It's players with this mentality that let's you build a dynasty. It's players like Coutinho, Pogba, Neymar etc that will really fk up your stability.

Yes there are foreign players that remain with the club for a very very long time, but they are in the minority.

The point is stability. Stability, longevity and affordable talent. We are about to pay £55 million (if reports are true, incl. added bonuses) for the best right back in the Premier League, a guy that practically never gets beaten. We want more of that. A LOT more of that.
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I cant think of many foreign players that stayed longer than about 5/6 years, all our true long-stayers were British..
 
Saffron said:
What would Ramos and Ronaldo know about how Madrid should play better than Zidane? Nothing.

Zidane’s role on the pitch as a player required a substantial tactical understanding of the game. There’s a reason almost every single successful manager was a midfielder or defender, not a tap-in merchant.

Guardiola, Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Diego Simeone, Conte. None were attackers.

Honestly struggle to think of a single successful manager in the modern era who was an attacker. We saw how well Henry did, and he still had way more football intelligence than most forwards.
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If you're a Manchester United fan you should be able to think of at least one!
 
Hawks2008 said:
Yes the fecking Molde* manager is better than someone who won the CL 3 times in a row :wenger::wenger::lol:
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*Manchester United manager.

Until he fails, our manager is the best manager in the world, always. Regardless of who it is.
 
Vissy said:
Ole is a better coach than Zidane is, hands down. Zidane doesn't even do any coaching himself, and when he was in RM he let his players like Ramos, Ronaldo etc. chip in with most of the tactics. He's more of a transfer ambassador, not a proper manager.
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Comparing Ole with 3 times CL winner.:lol::lol:
 
Tom Cato said:
*Manchester United manager.

Until he fails, our manager is the best manager in the world, always. Regardless of who it is.
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Is that so? Good to hear that we have had Moyes, Van Gaal, and Mourinho all at the points in their careers when they were the best in the world.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Still makes a nonsense of this idea that a career as a striker somehow makes Ole incapable of being a top manager.
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Look, if all you can come up with is the one-off genius that retired 6 years ago and Mark Hughes, I think that’s the exception that proves the rule.

There’s definitely a trend of most successful managers in the modern era not being attackers.

And I do think delineating it to the modern era is valid, because it’s in the modern era we want success. We’re living enough in the past as it is.
 
Saffron said:
What would Ramos and Ronaldo know about how Madrid should play better than Zidane? Nothing.

Zidane’s role on the pitch as a player required a substantial tactical understanding of the game. There’s a reason almost every single successful manager was a midfielder or defender, not a tap-in merchant.

Guardiola, Klopp, Pochettino, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Diego Simeone, Conte. None were attackers.

Honestly struggle to think of a single successful manager in the modern era who was an attacker. We saw how well Henry did, and he still had way more football intelligence than most forwards.
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Klopp played as a striker as well as a defender didn't he?
 
Saffron said:
Look, if all you can come up with is the one-off genius that retired 6 years ago and Mark Hughes, I think that’s the exception that proves the rule.

There’s definitely a trend of most successful managers in the modern era not being attackers.
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There’s a long established trend of most players not being strikers. So why would the ratio be any different amongst managers?
 
Saffron said:
Of course but he’s not active and I said ’the modern game’. I didn’t include any retired managers.
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Klopp was a striker and then late in his career moved to defense as per wiki.
 
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