Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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red4ever 79 said:
Agree with this. He's a yes man. Just happy to be there by the looks. Where is this 'we will have all players in place before pre season starts' and this ' there are some players that wont be hear next season'

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Valencia
Herrera

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I don't think it's his fault that these statements won't become a reality, its just disappointing that when neither of those things happen, he'll tell us all that he is happy with the 'great bunch of lads' he has.

I'm almost snapping in advance at the though of him saying that. It'd be like getting kicked in the face.
 
GDaly95 said:
I don't think it's his fault that these statements won't become a reality, its just disappointing that when neither of those things happen, he'll tell us all that he is happy with the 'great bunch of lads' he has.

I'm almost snapping in advance at the though of him saying that. It'd be like getting kicked in the face.
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Ed is pulling the strings and Ole is the 'face'
 
The transfer strategy is his and/or Phelan's idea. Been raising issue with it since we heard it before the season ended and people just now seem surprised at how underwhelming some of these targets are
 
Gambit said:
I'm actually blown away by the negativity. Yes we all know a rebuild is in order. None of you know what is happening behind the scenes, yet all seem to be so certain in your opinions that you project them onto the day to day running of the club with certainty. I can see Oles tactical direction. I understand why it fell apart. We all know a complete change in direction is needed and it's been recognised by the club going forward and yet none of you are willing to give them the chance to. We need a squad, we can't just ship out everyone and buy a completely new team. I reckon we'll get about 3 signings, none of which most on here will be happy with and doom and gloom will prevail as usual before a ball is even kicked. You all have zero patience. Yes the last few years haven't been great ( I'm so glad you all weren't about when Ferguson came in) but until we see what happens we won't know. The club is nowhere near as bad as some of you make out. It's not perfect but it will take about 3 years to get us challenging properly ( although I believe next season might surprise people ). You'd have thought we were relegated the way so many of bleat on. Ole has just got the job. Lets actually give him a chance.
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Sounds like a lot of unfounded "#MUGA" to me. When you are ready to give me a list of Ole specific attributes than make him qualified for the job let me know.
 
elnorte said:
No. Cut out this wish-washy crap. He ain't fecking good enough. As a managerial choice for United he is an absolute abomination.

And next season might surprise people? What do you think that we'll be in a relegation scrap or something?
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i agree with you.
 
UnofficialDevil said:
Imagine if Zidane had only signed one player from the second devision renewed all the crap players contracts and sold his 3 best players as part of Reals rebuild.. Madrilenos would riot.
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Nah bro, they definitely need hungry Spanish talent and segunda bargains..
 
People want to blame Solskjaer for the lack of transfers? :lol:. Mourinho only wanted Dalot, Fred and Grant last year of course.
 
SO funny people blaming Ole for transfers. Yeah let us sack Ole that would make Woodward competent right, just like sacking Jose or Lvg made Woodward perform his role better, right?
 
Leftback99 said:
People want to blame Solskjaer for the lack of transfers? :lol:. Mourinho only wanted Dalot, Fred and Grant last year of course.
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Well we certainly moved to the young, British, hungry players gimmick. So it's either Ole being part of this making it incredibly shallow and expensive pool or he has zero say in transfers, which is odd considering last season we haven't exactly chased players like James, Longstuff, AWB, Rice, etc..
 
AshRK said:
SO funny people blaming Ole for transfers. Yeah let us sack Ole that would make Woodward competent right, just like sacking Jose or Lvg made Woodward perform his role better, right?
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He isn't being blamed for the lack of transfers. Might want to read what's actually being said.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Well we certainly moved to the young, British, hungry players gimmick. So it's either Ole being part of this making it incredibly shallow and expensive pool or he has zero say in transfers, which is odd considering last season we haven't exactly chased players like James, Longstuff, AWB, Rice, etc..
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But why is it a presumption that these young english players are average but those signed from abroad will be an instant hit. Yes we must have a balance but we have been linked to plenty of non english players too. AT least let us give this method a chance and see if it works before we call it a joke method.
 
Greck said:
He isn't being blamed for the lack of transfers. Might want to read what's actually being said.
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I can quote two or three posts in this page alone where people are blaming him for lack of transfers or being linked with english players. Some want him gone without understanding the problem lies somewhere (Woodward/board).
 
AshRK said:
But why is it a presumption that these young english players are average but those signed from abroad will be an instant hit. Yes we must have a balance but we have been linked to plenty of non english players too. AT least let us give this method a chance and see if it works before we call it a joke method.
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Your point was lack of transfer activity. When you limit your pool to players that are obviously bound to be overvalued like AWB, Rice, Longstaff, Maguire, etc, and their current clubs not willing to sell it's normal those transfer to drag over the line.

We've seen plenty of players already moving clubs or about to. There are players like Meunier at RB who are available and could've been done ages ago, whilst we're haggling over AWB for example.

So naturally if you point to the direction your transfer business should go you should bear some responsibility no?
 
ForestRGoinUp said:
He’ll get a pass on transfers. He won’t get a pass if the end of season form carries on into the new season...except from you and a few other maybe.
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Why will he get a free pass from me? Just because I'm not in race in 'getting the knickers in twist' before everyone else doesn't mean I won't criticize Ole if he performs poorly. I gave time to Jose, Van Gaal to see what they can improve. They didn't and I turned against them. That's what I'll do, if Ole does well then great, if not then sack him and move on.

Excuse us for having patience and trying to give time for manager.
 
AshRK said:
I can quote two or three posts in this page alone where people are blaming him for lack of transfers or being linked with english players. Some want him gone without understanding the problem lies somewhere (Woodward/board).
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The English player policy is what is being attributed to him not a lack of transfers. It's been reported for a loong time that this was what he and Phelan wanted. The actions that followed have confirmed it. I'm not too elated with that direction. It's almost more gimmicky than Jose buying players for their height
 
Greck said:
The English player policy is what is being attributed to him not a lack of transfers. It's been reported for a loong time that this was what he and Phelan wanted. The actions that followed have confirmed it. I'm not too elated with that direction. It's almost more gimmicky than Jose buying players for their height
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Whether that is a right direction or not only time can tell. Maybe it works and brings a stability or maybe we will have more average players and it all goes bad. I understand people not agreeing with this but to just expect everything will be fine by sacking another manager is something I cannot get behind. I am not saying Ole is perfect or he will be successful but point is when will Woodward take the blame. Unless we change the club's structure and have a guy who knows about football handle the transfer thing, nothing much will change is my point.
 
Vissy said:
If playing professional football for Manchester United and making an absolute killing while doing so isn't 'having made it', god only knows what your opinion is of your own life. I want to say this more bluntly because a lot of people seem to hold pride in one's own accomplishments against a player here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being proud and positive about where you are. It's actually much healthier and much more conducive to good performance to be this way, as opposed to constantly negative.
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You talk like it a negative thing. No it's not.
My point being "playing for United" supposed to be a milestone, not the destination. Yes yes, feel proud and all because it's an achievement but eventually you have to look back (or up) for what you actually have achieved compare to people around you in the same environment. Top players for big club huh? Wow they finished 6th that's something to celebrate for next five years. That attitude does not go well with "Survival of the fittest" at all.

If you don't see that you never fecking improve on whatever you do. That's why people still talk about Lingard as "prospect" despite of him reaching 30 in 3 years.

Bebe played for United, JembaJemba played for United, Dong Fangzo played for United Where do you rank them in our Hall of Fame? 20578th?

For the record, I don't give a rat ass about what they do in their private life as long as their performance up to United's standard. If not, you are damn right to assume that I see all their social media activities as distractions. Whenever Ole holds the same view as mine or not we'll see it real soon
 
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Enigma_87 said:
Your point was lack of transfer activity. When you limit your pool to players that are obviously bound to be overvalued like AWB, Rice, Longstaff, Maguire, etc, and their current clubs not willing to sell it's normal those transfer to drag over the line.

We've seen plenty of players already moving clubs or about to. There are players like Meunier at RB who are available and could've been done ages ago, whilst we're haggling over AWB for example.

So naturally if you point to the direction your transfer business should go you should bear some responsibility no?
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But isn't that the manager's job to ask for players he wants. Whether this strategy is good or not only time can tell but how can Woodward (who has shown over the time has little clue about football) determine this player is not good enough or not. This was the same excuse peopel made for Woody last season when they said Jose should not ask for Perisic, Willian and MacGuire but work with the same players. Imagine City board telling Pep in 2017 that they won't sign Walker because he is expensive.

The reason the transfers are delaying is because Woodward is trying to play some stupid games. AWB is touted for 50m and yet he is doing the add ons bs. If player A cannot be reached it is the responsibility of him to get him Player B. But because we are run by this incompetent man we suffer and end up either signing no one or just sign someone after the pre season and this is why we need a man who knows about football handling the transfers. WHich is why I feel sacking Ole will solve nothing considering the same happened with Jose and even LvG.
 
AshRK said:
But isn't that the manager's job to ask for players he wants. Whether this strategy is good or not only time can tell but how can Woodward (who has shown over the time has little clue about football) determine this player is not good enough or not. This was the same excuse peopel made for Woody last season when they said Jose should not ask for Perisic, Willian and MacGuire but work with the same players. Imagine City board telling Pep in 2017 that they won't sign Walker because he is expensive.

The reason the transfers are delaying is because Woodward is trying to play some stupid games. AWB is touted for 50m and yet he is doing the add ons bs. If player A cannot be reached it is the responsibility of him to get him Player B. But because we are run by this incompetent man we suffer and end up either signing no one or just sign someone after the pre season and this is why we need a man who knows about football handling the transfers. WHich is why I feel sacking Ole will solve nothing considering the same happened with Jose and even LvG.
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No arguments there (re: Woody being incompetent knob on transfer related business). But also you have to agree that Ole should share part of the blame for limiting the pool of players he's looking at whilst other bargains go to other clubs, right?
 
Enigma_87 said:
No arguments there (re: Woody being incompetent knob on transfer related business). But also you have to agree that Ole should share part of the blame for limiting the pool of players he's looking at whilst other bargains go to other clubs, right?
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But won't most manager have their limited pool of players that they would prefer. I understand you wouldn't want to pay over the odds for players but you also need to back them otherwise what is the point. Like Zidane sure would have given Perez his list and must have told to get them and Perez obliged by signing most of his first targets and is now trying hard to get Pogba. Moreover, Its not like we are Arsenal or Tottenham who have little money to always dither (again not suggesting to go crazy with the spending). Why is it whether it is Moyes, LvG, Jose or now Ole we end up getting linked with multiple players and then panic and pay over the odds for players.
 
Rafaeldagold said:
Are you actually saying Ole is a better manager than Jose?

We’re never going to be able to get rid of Ole are we, our fan base is sentimental & deluded
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No I'm not, but Jose's behaviour and overall demeanour has diminished his legacy, so I would call Jose the abomination not Ole as he's just started the job, at this point insulting Ole is very harsh. As I keep repeating all the time, judge him in December.

PS you say we'll never get rid of him because of the fans sentimentality, Woody doesn't give a feck about that, if we're no way near top 4 come Christmas Woody will pull the trigger like he has everyone else, so no need to worry there..
 
I see people are back to blaming the manager for our incompetence in the market. What magical list would Woodward require to acquire the right set of players? We are rumoured to be interested in Wan-Bissaka with little or no competition to speak of, its not a rival club, and the age of the player is ideal. Tell me what excuses does Woodward have to not land the target? He is busy saving peanuts at the start of the window and we will end up paying even more on an inferior second choice come August. Yet people here keep lapping it up, blaming managers for not providing ‘choices’.
 
Enigma_87 said:
No arguments there (re: Woody being incompetent knob on transfer related business). But also you have to agree that Ole should share part of the blame for limiting the pool of players he's looking at whilst other bargains go to other clubs, right?
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We have no idea what the budget is, I'd guess a lot lower than people think which is going to lead to disappointment regardless. It's not looking good but we'd be in the same situation with any other manager.

We appear to be most active in the positions most of us would strengthen, right back and centre back. Who are the bargains we are missing so far?
 
Abhinav said:
I see people are back to blaming the manager for our incompetence in the market. What magical list would Woodward require to acquire the right set of players? We are rumoured to be interested in Wan-Bissaka with little or no competition to speak of, its not a rival club, and the age of the player is ideal. Tell me what excuses does Woodward have to not land the target? He is busy saving peanuts at the start of the window and we will end up paying even more on an inferior second choice come August. Yet people here keep lapping it up, blaming managers for not providing ‘choices’.
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I think you’re right but I hope you’re wrong. I’m in the same camp as you but I’m willing to wait 2 weeks before your post becomes a prophesy (and I think it will). Woody has had the way paved for him for some players if reports are to be believed. And he seems to be doing the same damn thing we did with Perisic. Haggling and haggling and drawing out the deals when we should have them slammed and closed.
 
Leftback99 said:
We have no idea what the budget is, I'd guess a lot lower than people think which is going to lead to disappointment regardless. It's not looking good but we'd be in the same situation with any other manager.

We appear to be most active in the positions most of us would strengthen, right back and centre back. Who are the bargains we are missing so far?
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What about right wing! Do people realise to have functioning stable team, you need balance. No shit Sherlock have we been crap for nearly 10 years when our only right wing signings have bebe, obertan and valencia! We don't even play anybody on the right wing anymore!
 
Can someone tell me why we are linked to 2nd rate players?

We're going to end up like a mid table team at this rate :( From De Ligt, Koulibaly and Sancho to Maguire and Bissaka. I laughed at the trolls saying we were going to finish mid table, now i'm slightly worried.
 
hocane said:
Can someone tell me why we are linked to 2nd rate players?

We're going to end up like a mid table team at this rate :( From De Ligt, Koulibaly and Sancho to Maguire and Bissaka. I laughed at the trolls saying we were going to finish mid table, now i'm slightly worried.
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Trolls? Maybe they were just ahead of the curve.
 
Celoti23-81 said:
What about right wing! Do people realise to have functioning stable team, you need balance. No shit Sherlock have we been crap for nearly 10 years when our only right wing signings have bebe, obertan and valencia! We don't even play anybody on the right wing anymore!
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I assume James and maybe Greenwood will get opportunities there. Not ideal but if we can't afford/are waiting for Sancho next season then it might have to be the way. I don't think there is a lot of obvious right wing targets although anything is better than seeing Mata there.
 
Leftback99 said:
We have no idea what the budget is, I'd guess a lot lower than people think which is going to lead to disappointment regardless. It's not looking good but we'd be in the same situation with any other manager.

We appear to be most active in the positions most of us would strengthen, right back and centre back. Who are the bargains we are missing so far?
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Didn’t Ed went out early and said we will back Ole in the summer, get the players he need, yadda yadda...

There are many continental players available mate. We of course will not be 100% sure of their availability as we are taking a different direction.
 
Posted this earlier in the ‘Why has nothing happened yet’ thread.

Quote on Sky Sports today. Absolutely no idea if it’s true - but frightening if it is. 12 days from start of pre-season:

‘From United's perspective, whilst Rice is an attractive prospect, we've been told that there may be other transfer priorities in other positions for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, who isn't yet sure what his budget for new players will be, with the future of a number of Manchester United stars still in the balance.’
 
George The Best said:
Posted this earlier in the ‘Why has nothing happened yet’ thread.

Quote on Sky Sports today. Absolutely no idea if it’s true - but frightening if it is. 12 days from start of pre-season:

‘From United's perspective, whilst Rice is an attractive prospect, we've been told that there may be other transfer priorities in other positions for Ole Gunnar Solskjaer, who isn't yet sure what his budget for new players will be, with the future of a number of Manchester United stars still in the balance.’
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That sounds like he has to sell some to go towards the budget.
 
Dunno who Ole want to get in and who are his targets but blaming him for lack of transfers is weird.
 
VanGaalyTime said:
When did he say one or two with potential. Last I heard he rightly wanted 6 signings.
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I remember a quote floating around saying that there won't be too many changes, just one or two signings. I'll try and see if I can find it.
 
“They beat us on all the basics. The basics you know, long throw in, stick your head in. Our own corner kick, they counter-attack. Their corner, they’re first to the ball. Good strike by the way. The fourth one as well. There’s many chances as well to get rid of the ball. Stick your head in again. So we were beaten on all the things, all the ingredients you need added to your talent.”.

"Basic ingredients in a team performance are running, fitness, that team desire"



Some might suggest that teamwork and team structure are as fundamental, if not more fundamental.

Or am I missing something?
 
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