Their galactico policy was an undisputed failure and they're coming off a pretty awful season themselves. They've appointed plenty of dud coaches in the last few years and didn't plan for the departure of Ronaldo at all. Success on the pitch doesn't equate to being well run off it, they struck lucky with Zidane.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Well obviously his, because he'll have had a chance to sort it and failed. But that hasn't happened yet.
Frankley I am surprised that he is not top of our list, assuming that Ole is replaced.
What he has achieved with England is quite remarkable.
Having said that I think that he is far too clever to get sucked down by United. More is the pity.
Never said they didn't. I'm merely questioning the mentality of a bunch of players who need to be told they're wonderful all the time and that they deserve good things for being so great, just to get a fecking performance out of them. Shit only went south when Solskjær started telling players they needed to buck up their ideas.
"Useless table" Sorry for bringing facts to an emotional knee jerk reaction.Yep Id be very happy to give Southgate a chance. He probably wouldnt though.
So success on the pitch doesn’t equate to well run? What the hell are you blabbing on about? They won 3 champions league in a row as many as we won in our history. Of course they were going to have a drop off from that but I guarantee you that drop off won’t be 7 years. They’d be back challenging soon.
So they should follow our model and not worry about what happens on the pitch, but how many sponsorships they can manage to get?
Has he resigned yet? After all there is no place to hide at OT
Put him out to pasture.
Fair enough. Let's see how things pan out but I love OGS. Just wondering if he will be ruthless enough in ousting these silly, egoistic, lazy bunch of twats we call players.
It is though, we have a 30 odd year old winger playing at right back, have a fairly average left back, and mediocre centre backs.
The second half of your post is pure speculation.
If you don't think they're crap you won't mind seeing them next season if it comes to that.
You certainly need at least 11 world class players to compete with city. They have far more than 11
Galactico 1.0 was a failure.
Galactico 2.0 managed to beat off the greatest club team ever to a league title.
They've won 4 CL titles in the past 6 seasons. More than we have in our entire history.
If success on the pitch doesn't equate to being well run, then what does?
And you're right. They have appointed dud coaches in the last few years. The difference is they sack them before the season is lost.
If it was us, we likely would have persisted with Rafa in 2015-2016 and gotten worse and worse until it amounted to nothing. Real sacked him in December, made up a gap on Barcelona in the league(pushed it to the final day) ended their unbeaten run at the Nou Camp and won a Champions League title. None would have happened if they stuck with Rafa.
They hired Loptegui and got rid of him sooner than we did Jose despite the clarity in both completely failing and being unable to turn it around.
Exactly. It seems we are more clueless and random by each passing game under his management.
Yes. Its not about that. Let him build his team. Anyone would need at least one pre season and season to do that.
Some of the fans here are turning on him faster than LvG and Mourinho. Thats crazy.
If he cant turn our club around for the better, I will not support him just because his norwegian and a legend.
Maybe, but they were replacing him with someone they had been chasing for a year. Who's the manager United are supposed to get? It's all very well saying sack him or he shouldnt have be hired but who's the guy thats going to save the day?
That is complete hyperbole.
Just seen a post game conference. Ole looks like he has aged 20 years in the recent weeks. Whatever is happening behind the scenes it must be a nigtmare.
Young and Jones have been given new contracts....
How is it speculation? They will be here next season. Do you think they'll rot on the bench?
I don’t see Poch leaving whether he wins the CL or not, Zidane has a new project at Madrid underway; so he’s not going anywhere anytime soon. What real choices do we have ? Anyone would be a risk at this point!
I mean sure, I'd love us to anoint ourselves the most desirable club destination in the world and sign one of the best players ever to spearhead a massive period of success, but it's hard to do.
Can only hope at this point.
LVG was clearly the wrong man, so a succession plan was pointless. If Pep was to quit today Arteta would probably take over and do a darn good job. On top of that we already have Ole on a huge contract, no use in not using him.
Erik ten Hag has shown what he can do with quality players. Get him in, get some quality players and get us on the right path.
It's not worked out for him and he looks lost. After the new manager bounce ran out of luck (we had plenty during those few months) and the players reverted back to being uber shite again, Ole has looked more clueless by the day.
It's horrendously sad to see a bloke who we all idolize being the new face of blame....but managers often are.
Our overall play since we managed to win in Paris has been some of the worst football since SAF - no exaggeration. I thought it couldn't have got as bad but it did. And Ole has made some bizarre team selections and subs that make you think WTF!
Since he got his role, our best player has morphed into one of the worst keepers in the league. We can't score a goal for love nor money, regardless of how shite the opposition is. We've been turned inside out by teams who are getting relegated without much effort on their players - that is no all on the players either, that is the way we were set up.
The blind faith put into Ole by Woody and Co is going to bite them in the ass and we are going to end up with a new manager come oct/nov time who will have a squad that has been pulled together from the youth setup, the Championship and a few 'hit and hopes' from Portugal. Ole has no history to back himself up when things start next season as they have finished here - and there is nothing to suggest it will get better. Nothing.
Even Ole knows he's fighting a losing battle by his new attempts to play the boss card in his talk about pre-season fitness levels and talk of us not seeing some players again. It's all well and good but he's saying it to players who have won the EC, WC, FA Cup and so on, whilst he's done nothing as a manager - the players will win, yet again.
I'd love it if he turned this around, it would be amazing to have a club legend managing our club to great things but it looks like Ole is not that man, or even close to being that man.
It's horrendously sad to see a bloke who we all idolize being the new face of blame....but managers often are.
Our overall play since we managed to win in Paris has been some of the worst football since SAF - no exaggeration. I thought it couldn't have got as bad but it did. And Ole has made some bizarre team selections and subs that make you think WTF!
Since he got his role, our best player has morphed into one of the worst keepers in the league. We can't score a goal for love nor money, regardless of how shite the opposition is. We've been turned inside out by teams who are getting relegated without much effort on their players - that is no all on the players either, that is the way we were set up.
The blind faith put into Ole by Woody and Co is going to bite them in the ass and we are going to end up with a new manager come oct/nov time who will have a squad that has been pulled together from the youth setup, the Championship and a few 'hit and hopes' from Portugal. Ole has no history to back himself up when things start next season as they have finished here - and there is nothing to suggest it will get better. Nothing.
Even Ole knows he's fighting a losing battle by his new attempts to play the boss card in his talk about pre-season fitness levels and talk of us not seeing some players again. It's all well and good but he's saying it to players who have won the EC, WC, FA Cup and so on, whilst he's done nothing as a manager - the players will win, yet again.
I'd love it if he turned this around, it would be amazing to have a club legend managing our club to great things but it looks like Ole is not that man, or even close to being that man.
How is looking months into the future speculation? Seriously?
If we're serious about being a top club they won't be starting next season, they need replacing.
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed something is wrong with Solskjaer? Watch his recent pre and post match interviews - it’s as if the life has been sucked out of him and the job has broken him. Almost like Moyes in his last few weeks in the job. A haunted man.
Never said they didn't. I'm merely questioning the mentality of a bunch of players who need to be told they're wonderful all the time and that they deserve good things for being so great, just to get a fecking performance out of them. Shit only went south when Solskjær started telling players they needed to buck up their ideas.
Yeah, it's not like a bunch of these players have won league titles, champions leagues and a world cup before. How about our manager actually started to do some... managing?
He’s going to be an absolute disaster. He made a big deal about the front 6 being academy players and you know this will be a big part of his philosophy going forward.
There was a clear statement he was trying to make with that line up today and it will be a total catastrophe. If he thinks we can get by with average players because they ‘represent what United is about’ or they are ‘one our own’ then we are in serious trouble (I don’t care how well Ashley Young represents this club, he’s fecking shite).
There was a clear statement he was trying to make with that line up today and it will be a total catastrophe. If he thinks we can get by with average players because they ‘represent what United is about’ or they are ‘one our own’ then we are in serious trouble (I don’t care how well Ashley Young represents this club, he’s fecking shite).
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But they have been given extensions mate.
I'm asking you: They will be clearly here next season - How much do you think they'll play? I wager they'll feature a decent amount again.
How is it speculation then? If they weren't given an extension, then you could say I was speculating.
But they've literally been given new contracts...
Do you think that’s really going to happen? Ole seems to like them. They worked with Phelan before and I bet he was the one who told Ole to give Jones a new contract. They team mates of Carrick.
Yeah, that PL title Jones won is really starting to pay off now...
I can't help wondering what is it exactly that he brings to the club.
Is he a tactical specialist. Not obvious.
Is he there in order to use his experience to help Ole. Not obvious.
Is he a terrific coach. Not obvious.
Am I being negative.
I just feel underwhelmed; exactly as I felt when Ole was appointed.
which player has won the champions league?
Mata.
Managers can drag clubs to success in spite of how they are being run. See Pochettino at Spurs or Benitez at Newcastle.
I'm not of the opinion that Real Madrid won 3 Champions League titles in a row because of their club president.
Then it will be be whipping boy Woodward's fault then. I'm in no way supporting Woodward here, the man is clearly an idiot in running a football club but I don't think he acts independently in footballing matters, he gives full control to the managers and he only goes against managers when the price is way too high even for us like with Perisic and Maguire.
He had better attacking players certainly. He was shafted by the club by not being allowed to replace the Unholy Trinity of Crerand Foulkes and Stiles. But he wasn’t tactically clueless.
We are Doomed.
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