Yeah I agree - we're pretty scuppered at the minute when it comes to mid season replacements.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
- Thread starter Samid
- Start date
- Status
Yeah I agree - we're pretty scuppered at the minute when it comes to mid season replacements.
Holy shit, JM acolytes came out of the woodwork, while others went full gold fish mode, actually screw it, carry on, this fan base is so fecked in the head, its great watch at least.
Most of any football match Is about keeping the ball and winning it back. There are tackles and duels, and it’s about tempo intensity. It actually is about “who wants it more”, wether you like the term or not. Welcome to the world of sports!
A solid game plan and players trained to deal with a specific opponent wins over who wants it more all the time.
Yes totally agree, I just dont understand why there are even tacticall coaches at all. For all I know there should only be psycologist and motivators, tactics dont matter. Its about tempo and intensity, who wants it more.
Have you ever played at least in a one semi-professional match? Tactics and a game plan win against sheer will and desire 10 times out of 10.
Pretty sure the pro's consistently say it's about who wants it more on the day.
I think the real problem is posts like these which refuse to actually entertain a proper debate and prefer to create sects and divisions within the fanbase by branding others as "JM acolytes" without reasonable basis.
Was JM bad for us? Yeah. Was he better than Ole? Yeah.
Does that evaluation make someone an acolyte of Jose? feck no.
Has to stop. It's beyond ridiculous.
Rubbish. Let's abandoned coaching then, who needs Klopp or Pep. Just persuade your players that they want it more.
just amazed at how content some are to just continue with mediocrity. If only people were this lenient with the players we would still have obertan and bebe here on the wings.
Last season Brandon Williams, Henderson he bought back by chucking out Romero- a young age relative to a goalkeeper who never got the chance here, he gave chances towards the end of the season to Amad, Elanga and Shoretire, he continues to play Mctominay as one of his main players, Rashford as his main players (remember when Jose bought Sanchez to put Rashford on the bench?), Greenwood as one of his main players, Wan Bissaka as one of his main players and then also goes and buys Sancho this year. Literally begging to buy Rice aswell. He was literally playing Daniel James last season too.
It's that thing people can't see - Ronaldo wasn't a planned transfer here, it happened last days of the window. After selling Daniel James to replace that Right winger with Sancho (literally like for like as a right footed double channel winger) - Greenwood was going to rotate with Cavani as our striker, Martial maybe as our 3rd option because ultimately his time is up at the club as seen when he isn't even valued to be on the bench anymore. What does that mean to Amad? He would become our back up RW as our left footed option.
But we got a transfer we couldn't say no too and Greenwood is back to RW, Sancho is primarily on the bench after his first 10 games and Amad is in the youth system.
The things you read here mate, I cant distinguish if it sarcasm or not anymore.People actually believe that? Apart from Ole that is.
At the Etihad. At Old Trafford he can't exactly park the bus and that's why his record against Pep at home isn't as good as his away.
What about Ole's acolytes? This fanbase IS fecked in the head I agree on that, we have people comparing Ole to SAF after all, you can't get any more fecked in the head than that.
Yea posts like mine are real problem and its me who creates sects and divisions within the fanbase. Without reasonable basis? You know that one of the previous posters above is/was JM fan way before he became United manger, you know period where we were battling him for PL titles.
Evaluation doesnt make an acolyte of Jose, posters history during tenure of that classless cnut does. Every since that toxic motherfecker got a sack, we had posters popping when it was a good moment to join others and have a go at Ole, funny part is, they started implementing same standards that they were defending their guy from.
Suddenly now style of football is important for them, promoting youth also, they used JM pulling that piece of paper in press conference with names of players he gave a 1-3 min debut as proof the he actually promoted youth for feck sake. So spare me please with whole debate notion, people just fight for their guy, thats about it.
Hello pot... it's kettle. Are you wearing black today?
Woot?!
Edit: Would advise you to do some research before you come with shit like that.
Last edited:
Just seriously don't bother.
Now suddenly people are talking up Jose Mourinho
Like you have one moment people are blaming supporters themselves for not booing enough to get Ole out of this job - then I question why are the fans then iterally begged for Mourinho here not literally put in to some sort of footballing prison for the things that Mourinho did to this club. They literally caused him to bring him here.
I just can't stand the Mourinho section of the United fans.
The Sanchez RW that dropped Rashfordand Martial as LW, the 90 mil on Pogba now leaving on a free, The Bailly, The Lindelof, the Fred, The chucking out Shaw trying to buy perisic. Wingbacks that have now retired or are playing for Aston Villa.
I'd have this team over that any day of the week.
God I used to laugh at watching Lukaku tripping over the football.
They don't have anyone in mind, that is just a time-buying tactic pulled to buy Ole more time. For the first time in a long time the Glazers and the British contingent led by Fergie are in agreement over the manager - the Glazer know that the fans will never revolt against Ole and by extention them whilst the other crew is content to have someone close to them, who sees football the way they do in charge.
Come summer they will hold on to any glimmer of success that this team will achieve and it will achieve something - be it top 4 coupled with a deep CL run or a trophy plus a CL run. Those things will be spun as signs that Ole is good, a little more support in the market is all he needs. Until we get a more serious owner that will be our lot.
Jose by every objective measure has been better than Ole, whether you like it or not. Won more trophies, won more points in the league with less money spent and worse squad. You don't HAVE to like Jose, neither do I like him. But the reality is simple and obvious. 500 million for 66 and 74 points. Enough said.
That’s fair, but I 100% guarantee you we will park the bus this weekend. He knows he gets battered by them and liverpool at home, he’s gone. So we will just defend all game and hope to nick a goal. That tends to work against Pep’s teams who have no plan B themselves.
Of course, if city score early like pool did, then we could be in for a long, long game.
Can’t wait till we have a manager who will have a proper go at Pep/Klopp’s teams. Not too bothered about the result as I love United no matter what but the intent has to be there. The problem with Ole has been he’s either been trying to consolidate his job or save it, so he’s not really had the balls to go at teams the way a United manager should.
Well, we aren't getting top 4 under Ole . Forget CL. And if next year CL is gone with Ronaldo, Ole is gone.
I dont give two shits about what posters were like during the Jose era, but sharing an observation that Ole is worse than Jose doesn't mean theres a narrative or anything.
And by the way if you really are against these posters you can debate the point you disagree with rather than create sects in the fan base.
No surprise there. Never claimed as such. I am not creating anything, camps and cults are already there and it seems things wont change after Ole is gone.
Commitment and intensity are important but it’s far from what decides things. Pundits use it because they’re often bad at breaking down a game (or they’re just lazy).
Seeing a lot of Jose vs Ole debate here but I was wondering what was their net spend in comparison to each other? I would fancy Ole has spent a small amount more?
Personally, I don't see why it's controversial to compare the two or to say Jose was the better manager so far-he actually did win two trophies, got to three cup finals, the higher points total and has a slightly better win average i believe? The better football (by a very slim margin) would go to Ole, maybe the better signings too (again it would be close considering there have been a few flops).
Both managers haven't been good enough though. That's indisputable. Ole has time to turn it around though.
Personally, I don't see why it's controversial to compare the two or to say Jose was the better manager so far-he actually did win two trophies, got to three cup finals, the higher points total and has a slightly better win average i believe? The better football (by a very slim margin) would go to Ole, maybe the better signings too (again it would be close considering there have been a few flops).
Both managers haven't been good enough though. That's indisputable. Ole has time to turn it around though.
Nothing strange about his post.
Very sensible post.
Completely accurate post imho.
So Barca 09 wanted it more than Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Rooney, Tevez
”Wanting it more” is another in a long line of meaningless football soundbites.
He also gave Henderson a 100k+ contract, jury is still out on whether that was a good thing. As personally I think he's absolutely overrated. Elanga and Shoretire played meaningless minutes akin to Jose giving minutes to Tuanzebe, Josh Harrop, Angel Gomes and Demitri Mitchell.
Mctominay broke through because of Mourinho. Greenwood is different, there isn't a manager in the world that wouldn't have Greenwood in his squad. Mourinho took him on his first tour and knew he had talent. He even said it when he was a pundit on sky, that Greenwood will get goals. When Mourinho was manager Greenwood was 15 I'm not sure if you expect him to play at 15.
Daniel James was bought and hated by many in this forum, rated as a flop signing and not good enough. No manager would say no to Sancho.
I highly doubt Amad would suddenly go from playing 100 (mainly meaningless) minutes in half a season to being backup if Ronaldo wasn't here. That's just wishful thinking especially when we have Martial and Lingard.
LW:
Rashford
Martial
Sancho
Lingard ?
CF:
Cavani
Greenwood
Martial
RW:
Sancho
Greenwood
Lingard ?
Not sure where you expect Amad to get minutes. That's without Ronaldo and without James who probably wouldn't have been sold had we not bought Ronaldo.
Overall Ole has done a decent job with youth. Promoted one Very high potential youth player to a regular squad status player, given a handful of debuts to decent youth players, Bought in some decent youth players that have been out on loan or will be going out on loan. But to say he's done an immense job and better than Mourinho is just being bias.
Especially when the context is different as he has been given one of the best young players in the world (Sancho) and probably our best 18 year old since Wayne Rooney. Meanwhile the young players coming up in the academy under Mourinho weren't as good. Meanwhile Lingard/Pogba were Martials age under Mourinho and they played often. Rashford and Mctominay were Greenwoods/Sanchos age and they played as often as Greenwood/Sancho does now.
« I will survive «
What do I do coach ? Just want it more boy !
So Barca 09 wanted it more than Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Rooney, Tevez
”Wanting it more” is another in a long line of meaningless football soundbites.
Thats not completely true. It has got something to do with defying match results, final league standings and winning trophies etc.
Desire, hunger and will to win which can all be classified as “ wanting it more “ are major factors in sporting success and athletes achieving greatness within a team or individually tbh.
Tactics are just as important and both require the other and depending upon the standard of competition or opponent one may play a bigger contribution than the other.
Two teams, who match each other in terms of quality, manager tactical ability and individual match winners, will on occasion cancel each other out and during these moments “ wanting it more “ can be decisive.
Last edited:
Yeah, we have a good chance if we play tomorrow. I predict that City won't even turn up.
Annoyingly behind a paywall
- Status