Or maybe the season got tougher and they showed their true colours.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Or maybe the season got tougher and they showed their true colours.
The one thing that is starting to grate is the inconsistency between what he says and what he does. He seems intent to to make it clear to everyone that he possess the capaibilty to be ruthless, but he hasn't shown any of that yet. He hasn't dropped players who have repeatedly been below par. The other way he could show this is in the transfer market, but that's only if the club allow him to and back his judgement which is not a given. So it remains to be be seen in that regard, but he hasn't shown it in the one way he can control. Dropping "star" names and playing the youth, despite his talk. Yes I know Chong got decent minutes today, but would he have come on (or even at all) as early if Sanchez hadn't picked up an injury? I suspect not. I know he can talk the talk, but he needs to back that up with action now. It's long overdue.
I was just venting to be fair. If Ole stays I'll support him, just think we should move for a proven manager like Poch if he's available. I think Pogba going could be a blessing in disguise. Despite his talent the team needs to be built around him and he just isn't that player unfortunately.
I hope he does play the kids too. I remian hugely sceptical that Ole is the man to take this club forward though. I hope I'm proven wrong because if he had the ability, he'd be ideal.
Lots of theories about as to what happened.
After the Jose debacle, I think the players with the euphoria of Ole really shone brightly to prove a point and burnt out. We had form above the top two for quite a while. The drop off was just as startling as the run they went on, more than a usual new managers bounce.
It's hard to judge Ole, he tried lots of things in the bad run and nothing worked, like trying to start a damp piece of magnesium that was on fire before. He could be out of his depth but I don't think we can tell off the back of this odd season.
I do worry though, he has to hit the ground running with signings a system/tactics and performances next season or the job will swallow him up.
After the Jose debacle, I think the players with the euphoria of Ole really shone brightly to prove a point and burnt out. We had form above the top two for quite a while. The drop off was just as startling as the run they went on, more than a usual new managers bounce.
It's hard to judge Ole, he tried lots of things in the bad run and nothing worked, like trying to start a damp piece of magnesium that was on fire before. He could be out of his depth but I don't think we can tell off the back of this odd season.
I do worry though, he has to hit the ground running with signings a system/tactics and performances next season or the job will swallow him up.
This is a scary thought and is probably closer to the truth than many might think.
people that think "running more" will fix everything 
Ole is out of his depth.
Ole is out of his depth.
His decision to take off Lindelof and keep Young was so mind boggling. I just couldn't believe my eyes.
Seems like he's fallen into the favoritism trap. Difficult to see how he can now emerge from it.
Seems like he's fallen into the favoritism trap. Difficult to see how he can now emerge from it.
Just recently Pogba and others said they need to be better and play better.
Yup. More likely, though, is that OGS will be given instructions on who he has to keep. We'll then underperform woefully, he'll get the sack eventually (but way too late, of course, because Woodward likes to keep the dead horse around) and the cycle will start once more.
We don't know what's been going on behind the scenes in the last month or so. I wouldn't be surprised if certain players are already on the way out (knowing it, perhaps wanting it too), which won't make it any easier to motivate the team.
I think there's some reason to belive that Ole has been trying to drag a pretty much broken team over the line here: gone pragmatic in an attempt to salvage something, which was a real possibility until today.
Unsuccessful, for sure, but quite understandable. I wouldn't read too much into how he's set this team up lately - it clearly isn't how he wants to approach things long term (he's said so himself plainly enough).
I think there's some reason to belive that Ole has been trying to drag a pretty much broken team over the line here: gone pragmatic in an attempt to salvage something, which was a real possibility until today.
Unsuccessful, for sure, but quite understandable. I wouldn't read too much into how he's set this team up lately - it clearly isn't how he wants to approach things long term (he's said so himself plainly enough).
He’s completely out of his depth and if this club had any ambition whatsoever, he would be sacked today and we would hire somebody like Conte, Simeone or Ancelotti and let them work away in the summer.
2 wins out of 11 is absolutely unacceptable form at Manchester United. I’ve seen managers are Watford get sacked for less.
And you can’t go blaming the players, the board and the owners for this. Jose Mourinho took the wrap for this and Ole should be no different.
Madrid hired Lopetegui, sacked. They then gave the job to Solari who initially impressed and he got the job full time. He’s now sacked aswell. There was no talk about “having a transfer window” or “judge him after one season”, it was evident they weren’t capable and they were shown the door. See ya later.
What’s gonna happen is this: Ole will start the season horribly, get sacked before Christmas and by then, the leaders will be too far ahead and that’s another season written off. Whereas if we get rid now, there’s a CHANCE we could do something with an actual top class manager.
2 wins out of 11 is absolutely unacceptable form at Manchester United. I’ve seen managers are Watford get sacked for less.
And you can’t go blaming the players, the board and the owners for this. Jose Mourinho took the wrap for this and Ole should be no different.
Madrid hired Lopetegui, sacked. They then gave the job to Solari who initially impressed and he got the job full time. He’s now sacked aswell. There was no talk about “having a transfer window” or “judge him after one season”, it was evident they weren’t capable and they were shown the door. See ya later.
What’s gonna happen is this: Ole will start the season horribly, get sacked before Christmas and by then, the leaders will be too far ahead and that’s another season written off. Whereas if we get rid now, there’s a CHANCE we could do something with an actual top class manager.
Solari got the job because Spanish clubs arent allowed to keep caretakers for more than two weeks.
It is not the United way
. We have always had a history of bringing through young players and getting the best out of what we have. It will be embarrassing for United economically and professionally if we have outspend our rivals and continue to struggle to get top four while also playing shite football.Stop talking common sense mate.
The whole pre season and running more screams Moyes. Why do we need to run more to beat Huddersfield?
Its based on the fact that in the initial games the players won’t stop praising Ole and as soon as the bad results started no player has come out to support him. Isnt that and indication of something?
Or do you believe he sidelined Martial because of an “injury”
You do know that the same was said when LVG and Jose came in, right? That they'll come in and get rid of the wasters and reset the club? When what had actually happened was that they came in and said everyone had a fresh start and the same cnuts who let down the previous manager were given a stay of execution and were allowed to fester. No, I'd rather Ole was given the time and resources to bring in the players he needs to bring in to execute his plan and ship out the ones who can't or won't execute it.
Another manager coming in and resetting the clock will not solve anything. In fact, it'll make it worse.
You compare us to Madrid, but we thankfully aren't Madrid and hopefully never will be. If you want us to be more like them, you're more than welcome to hop on that particular bandwagon.
No matter what anyone says, the players are not as bad as theyre currently playing. If they were this bad we would be relegated, honestly we can’t blame all in them.
It saves us from buying players that our next potential manager won’t believe would be good enough to fit his philosophy. It will be like a loop again. £100m plus the sale of our players is more than enough to succeed. Pogba might go for £160m which might be unfortunate for the next manager who might think he could have gotten the best out of him. With that fund we can make reasonable acquisitions and not wholesale changes that will set us back further if we get in the wrong players.
Pochettino has had to utilize less than that amount most of his career. I doubt that would bother him that much. Heck, what I mentioned is perhaps more than what levy will probably give him next season
So you believe Ole needs £200m plus sale of some players to make us competitive? It is not like we are a mid table club. We have some talent already in this team and the honeymoon period showed that.
Absolutely, there is no doubt in my mind that we need to get atleast 5 players in to start being competitive. Talent alone doesn’t win you titles, it has to be accompanied with the right attitude. Too many of our players have bought into their own hype and get complacent after a string of ‘good’ performances.
We definitely need to upgrade rb, cb, dm, rw and the striker position. Thats a minimum of 200m spend right there.
100% agree
Ole has got Cardiff relegated, he spent money and by admission of the fans his signings were absolutely shambolic. His highest managerial accolades are leading Molde to a league title being in bang average league that is a lower tier than the championship. Since Ole has come in we have played some of the most pragmatic football, he's made absolutely no changes to the application and approach we had to games under Mourinho, aside offering a counter attack. While Ole has done well for two and half months, his current run of form has overshadowed any positives (results not performances) during the honeymoon period.
Might I add that Klopp got Mainz relegated, despite having one of the best teams in europe Pep failed in the UCL for two consecutive seasons at Bayern. Judging by your assessment to a managers sustainability, neither Pep or Klopp would be worth a punt in addition to the list of names provided.
The point is you can find flaws in any manager in world football, but for the same reason you won't see Eddie Howe, Moyes, or these calibre managers at a Barcelona, Madrid etc is because they don't have the pedigree to spearhead success at those clubs. Solskjaer, coincidentally doesn't have the pedigree because we are a big club. Ole doesn't deserve three summer windows wasting financial resources, unachieving and then being sacked.
Everything being said is entirely hypothetical and subjective I do understand that but on law of averages I would rather the club be led by someone who can revolutionise our approaches vs someone who is simply applying a copy and paste strategy to the best manager in footballs history. We don't need a replica, we need a difference, times have changed. By giving Solskjaer time, I personally cannot see us doing anything other than challenging for a 4th spot.
Totally ridiculous. He hasn't even had the chance to sign anyone yet!
If we start next season with 2 wins in 11 it's a totally different situation, and we really are in the sh!tter.
There is clearly something wrong with their bottle and mentality a large percentage of this game is in the mind
Ole may or may not turn good, we don’t know that yet.people that think "running more" will fix everything
Ole is out of his depth.
What we do know is that most of the players will never be good enough, that we know for sure, for watching them play under 4 or 3 or two managers, and they’ve failed us time and time again.
Are you kidding? This squad is rotten to the core and this isnt something that came out of the blue. This is better than last season when we had a master maker and the best manager in the world according to himself, we lost that match. I have said this here before, Ole or someone else really doesnt matter. There is a need for a full reset at this club, the owners and Ed need to go and we need a board and owners who fully back their manager. To answer the last question of course we need to work hard. City and Liverpool work harder than most and they are much better than us.. Its time to back Ole and let the players and the board know that the fans know that we have had enough of this, Ole isnt the problem.
Dont tell me we dont have the quality in the squad to win more than 2 of the last 11 games. Every side below the top 6 in the premier league will change their entire squad for ours without flinching, we should be taking Huddersfield for a walk.
I think it’s safe to say he won’t be the manager this time next year
I am trying to understand Ed. Based on what he is giving Ole 200mil this summer? And based on what he is going in next season with him? Results are bad, general play is non existent and his "tactical" moves before and during the game are amateurish.
Is it possible that Ed is that blind?
Is it possible that Ed is that blind?
The problem is we’ve had 3/4 seasons of this now and it’s clear the squad isn’t good enough. Managers can only do so much, he needs fresh faces and we need to change.
Whether ole is tactically good enough, I don’t know. But I trust him to get rid of the players who aren’t good enough or don’t care.
If he can get us back into playing how we did before the PSG matches we will all be happy.
You mean 4 Champions League’s in 5 years? Yeah I do wish we were more like Madrid. Who the feck wouldn’t?
They’re ruthless. They have standards and they know when they aren’t being met.
We’re too caught up in this sentimental nostalgia blast that we can’t see what’s happening in front of our eyes. Solskjær is a Glazer puppet. You can’t say you’re Anti-Glazer and then badmouth Mourinho and support Solskjær. It’s hypocrisy.
Solskjær said these players were a dream to work with. Infact I believe the quote was “Football is easy when you have players like these”... Now he’s backtracking and saying he needs a rebuild.
Nah, I’m not having it. 2 wins in 11. Get out.
He gave NEW CONTRACTS to Smalling and Jones! What more proof do you need?
If it wasn’t the managers fault, why was Mourinho sacked? Tell me that.
The Utd fans on this forum, haha. I knew it, once these garbage players got back to their old, true self, no longer feeling the rush of getting rid of Jose nor the honeymoon of a new managerial spell, these fans turn against Ole. It's actually hysterical.
Last season we lost. But Huddersfield wanted it more last season and they were up for it. Hence why they survived in the premier league last season.
This season we played a Huddersfield who were relegated with nothing to play for whilst we had everything to play for and couldn’t beat them.
Running more shouldn’t factor in when we play the mighty Huddersfield. That is standard stuff. Do you think City or Liverpool just work on running all season? They don’t work on attacking patterns or movement up front. Or ball possession. Can you even honestly say you seen anything from Ole to suggest he has some style of play.
So I am saying there is something wrong with their bottle/mentality so obviously I am saying we have the quality (technically) but there is something wrong when the pressure is on
They’re English, you need a certain amount in a squad due to league rules.
Whether he actually wanted to renew them? It was probably sorted by Woodward and he had to go along with it.
If we don’t get a new CB and continue with them then yes I’ll be worried. He hasn’t had a chance to change anything.
I know, but they're not praising the manager anymore like they were before
Home grown isn't really a problem. We have plenty of them. Giving contract for Smalling can be excused at least but agreeing on 4+1 contract for Jones and a new contract for Young were awful decision. It doesn't show any kind of "ruthless" attitude tbh.
Excuses, Tuanzabe is English and so our a few other of our youngsters, and we can also buy English also
That’s a shit excuse.
He could have binned Jones in the summer and just have Tuanzebe in his place.
Young is English so we have to persist with him till he’s 40? Palace have a English right back. Go for him.
By your logic Pep or Zidane shouldn’t have been given jobs at Barca and Madrid, cause they certainly didn’t have any managerial pedigree when they were first appointed.
And apart from Pep and maybe Klopp, both of whom are unavailable, none of the others you mentioned are really revolutionising the game. Football tactics and formations run in circles. Rather than following what others have perfected, maybe we need to go back to what we perfected and try and counter the ‘in’ way of playing. Bayern did that successfully between 2014-16 and I see no reason why we can’t succeed in the same way.
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