Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[BlahRules]

The problem is it doesn't appear that Young, Matic or Jones are in Oles mind for getting rid.

I'm worried he could now sell half decent squad players and keep the aforementioned shite.

That’s why I want OGS out. If you can’t see the player that have been stinking the place up for a while should leave.

One of the things SAF and even Pep did when they took charge of a team that needs revamp is clear the people who has a voice in the team. Its clear the ethos of the club is not up to the standard that is required to challenge for titles.

If we bring the youth in then we can mould them and make sure they have the right ethos.

 

[Random Task]

But why the heck would the players suddenly down tools just at the very point that CL qualification became a possibility?

That's the question.

I have no idea, and by the looks of it neither does anyone else, including Ole.

 

[Shadowcore]

Shoot me if you want.
There was one man that was available.
I said it then and my Utd mates laughed in my face.
Brendon Rogers.....Yes that's right.
Watch Leiecster finish above us next season.
Feck the history he had with Liverpool. We should have got him.

Wouldn't surprise me if it still happens end of next season.

Calm down no need for Brendan Rodgers

 

[SAFMUTD]

Maybe its just me, but I think he will do well. Ive seen alot of positives from him and I do believe if he gets a proper backing then he will identify some good players that will massively improve us.

What specifically positives have you seen?

 

[Saffron]

That's the question.

I have no idea, and by the looks of it neither does anyone else, including Ole.

The point is they didn’t. Other factors simply ended the new manager bounce.

Blaming it all on the players ”downing tools” is such a convenient excuse that plays right into Woodward’s hands. No structural incompetence here, just unruly players with the wrong attitude.

 

[K2K]

Yes. Spot on.
How can it be possible that the owners allow such ineptitude.
Profits. But even we can see turnover and profits nosediving.

The reason United is able to make so much profits is because our football results at just the right time (the premier league era beginning) made us one of the most marketable sporting entities around. But another 15 years of the results we are seeing now and sponsors will want to associate with other clubs. Especially the successful ones.

I look at a club like Madrid. For all the criticism they get, their obsession with being the best on the field is admirable. We have no such desire. Top 4 and this would have been toasted as a brilliant season.

We used to be the benchmark for excellence in the English league. Now you have supporters of a relegated club telling us how awful we are. And they aren't even wrong

 

[Cassidy]

His appointment might be the clearest sign the club is lacking ambition and isn't interested in anything but getting in the UCL

 

[K2K]

The point is they didn’t. Other factors simply ended the new manager bounce.

Blaming it all on the players ”downing tools” is such a convenient excuse that plays right into Woodward’s hands. No structural incompetence here, just unruly players with the wrong attitude.

Exactly.

We need to ask more questions of the board management. How many players have we bought and sold over the last few years? Yet our problems seem to persist. It can't just be the players.

 

[Amadaeus]

He should only get £100m to spend if he is to stay here next season and funds from players he sell. If the club is willing to throw away a lot of money, I will be satisfied with them giving me £10m. Ole needs to prove that he can get the best out of the players in our academy and the current team. Looking at what Pochettino has done with so little is remarkable and it should be a platform for Ole to follow.

With the likes of Chong, Greenwood, Garner, Laird, Gomes, McTominay, and Tianzebe, we don’t have lack of quality option to choose from. Not comparing Ole to Sir Alx, but Saf had to deal with much a worse option. I recalled him putting Carrick and Fletcher at cb and we still look like a good team.

 

[Random Task]

The point is they didn’t. Other factors simply ended the new manager bounce.

Blaming it all on the players ”downing tools” is such a convenient excuse that plays right into Woodward’s hands. No structural incompetence here, just unruly players with the wrong attitude.

Unruly players with poor attitude/downing tools. What's the difference?

It all amounts to roughly the same thing, the players picking and choosing when to perform at an acceptable standard an when to go on holiday.

This mythical existence of a 'new manager bounce' is questionable enough, but it becomes laughable when it gets cited as a relevant factor.

 

[Garethw]

Maybe its just me, but I think he will do well. Ive seen alot of positives from him and I do believe if he gets a proper backing then he will identify some good players that will massively improve us.

With a username like that, maybe you aren’t the best judge of character

I jest mate

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Please don't bring xG into this debate. It's horribly inconsistent and ultimately unreliable.

It was a game of 2 halves against Spurs; we were thoroughly outplayed in the second half but we could have been 0-3 at half time. I'll give you PSG, we were incredibly fortunate to escape Paris 3-1 winners. That said, I cannot recall another game during that period where we were not largely the better team and fully deserving of a victory. Neither can you, presumably.

So I repeat my last question. Why would the players choose to down tools (which is acceptable under any circumstances) after the club had shown significant progression post-Jose?

I've already addressed your last point. The players lost confidence after a couple of defeats and Ole has failed to organise and he has failed to motivate the players out of the slump which is his job as the manager. They are not 'downing tools' as such, its a loss of confidence that has been compounded by Ole's management of that crisis. Now Pogba has had a look about and realised we are going nowhere fast and he is going to waste his prime here.

 

[Acole9]

He's looking like a bit of a bottler with his reluctance to drop under performing players. He looks out of his depth on the touchline.

 

[charlenefan]

That’s why I want OGS out. If you can’t see the player that have been stinking the place up for a while should leave.

One of the things SAF and even Pep did when they took charge of a team that needs revamp is clear the people who has a voice in the team. Its clear the ethos of the club is not up to the standard that is required to challenge for titles.

If we bring the youth in then we can mould them and make sure they have the right ethos.

Who's he meant to play? Other than turning to players who have barely played a minute of first team football in their lives he's given everyone a chance and there inevitably comes a time where you have no one else left to try and have to go back to the same old shit

Playing the players he is shouldn't be a stick used to beat him with.... yet

 

[Abhinav]

He should only get £100m to spend if he is to stay here next season and funds from players he sell. If the club is willing to throw away a lot of money, I will be satisfied with them giving me £10m. Ole needs to prove that he can get the best out of the players in our academy and the current team. Looking at what Pochettino has done with so little is remarkable and it should be a platform for Ole to follow.

With the likes of Chong, Greenwood, Garner, Laird, Gomes, McTominay, and Tianzebe, we don’t have lack of quality option to choose from. Not comparing Ole to Sir Alx, but Saf had to deal with much a worse option. I recalled him putting Carrick and Fletcher at cb and we still look like a good team.

And what would that achieve? Thats actually setting him up for failure. The young players you mention, may have talent but are definitely not ready to spearhead a transformation. Even the class of 92 had leaders like Eric and Roy Keane to guide them.

I am sure if Pochetinho were to be given the job and only 100m to spend, you would be accusing the board of sabotaging the campaign.

If the board don't have any confidence in Ole to spend the money wisely, I’d much rather see them sack him than sabotage another season.

 

[Buster15]

The reason United is able to make so much profits is because our football results at just the right time (the premier league era beginning) made us one of the most marketable sporting entities around. But another 15 years of the results we are seeing now and sponsors will want to associate with other clubs. Especially the successful ones.

I look at a club like Madrid. For all the criticism they get, their obsession with being the best on the field is admirable. We have no such desire. Top 4 and this would have been toasted as a brilliant season.

We used to be the benchmark for excellence in the English league. Now you have supporters of a relegated club telling us how awful we are. And they aren't even wrong

Totally agree.
Football is dominated by money.
To earn the most money you have to be the best at everything you do.
We are living very much on past glories.
The quicker the owners wake up and turn this shambles round the better.
Anyone with half a brain must realise that and the owners are not stupid.
Get a grip and sort this mess out or do the honourable thing and get the hell out.

 

[Welsh_Wizard74]

You need to appoint a top manager with history winning trophies at a club like Man Utd.

We went down the same route, appointing Rodgers and suffered for it until Klopp came in.

Top players would not sign for BR, they do for Klopp.

Top players signed for Jose, will they sign for old in the summer?

 

[Roboc7]

That’s why I want OGS out. If you can’t see the player that have been stinking the place up for a while should leave.

One of the things SAF and even Pep did when they took charge of a team that needs revamp is clear the people who has a voice in the team. Its clear the ethos of the club is not up to the standard that is required to challenge for titles.

If we bring the youth in then we can mould them and make sure they have the right ethos.

Like all the managers since SAF left he won’t be prepared to do what needs to be done.

The only hope any manager has here is to have the balls to dismantle this squad, being cautious and steady and putting faith in same dross ends one way. It will take multiple managers over time to sort this out.

On top of that he (or anyone else) probably wouldn’t be allowed to do it or if he did wouldn’t be backed to follow it through. I don’t think for one second he could sell Pogba if he wanted, Pogba will decide when he wants to go and we’ll then be replacing him in desperation.

 

[K2K]

Totally agree.
Football is dominated by money.
To earn the most money you have to be the best at everything you do.
We are living very much on past glories.
The quicker the owners wake up and turn this shambles round the better.
Anyone with half a brain must realise that and the owners are not stupid.
Get a grip and sort this mess out or do the honourable thing and get the hell out.

It would make sense for the Glazers to sell though. This is a high revenue generating asset playing in a very marketable league.

Even without success they can still make just enough to justify return on investment.

Their relationship with Woodward means he is probably safe for the foreseeable future too.

 

[Random Task]

I've already addressed your last point. The players lost confidence after a couple of defeats and Ole has failed to organise and he has failed to motivate the players out of the slump which is his job as the manager. They are not 'downing tools' as such, its a loss of confidence that has been compounded by Ole's management of that crisis. Now Pogba has had a look about and realised we are going nowhere fast and he is going to waste his prime here.

We're going round in circles here.

Pogba can go along with Sanchez, Young, Jones, Valencia, Martial, DDG, Lingard, Rojo, Bailly and anyone else whose heart isn't in the club.

If it was up to me, I'd play a team comprised entirely of academy gradutes in our final game.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

I wonder if he regrets not backing up playing the youth players since the PSG game, I may be wrong but in the run up to that we regularly had a couple on the bench, and then due to injuries had a couple in the games, obviously the PSG game been one of them, then since then (other than today) nothing.

It just seemed he lost his nerve a bit after that game, or maybe relaxed, I'm not sure, but something obviously went wrong.

 

[Cassidy]

I wonder if he regrets not backing up playing the youth players since the PSG game, I may be wrong but in the run up to that we regularly had a couple on the bench, and then due to injuries had a couple in the games, obviously the PSG game been one of them, then since then (other than today) nothing.

It just seemed he lost his nerve a bit after that game, or maybe relaxed, I'm not sure, but something obviously went wrong.

He probably knew he was getting the job (talks had started) so he then realised there was more risk to playing the youth.

 

[Adam-Utd]

His appointment might be the clearest sign the club is lacking ambition and isn't interested in anything but getting in the UCL

Not really, the mistake was signing him permanently too early. As soon as we made it official everything dropped that 10%.

Before that went on an amazing run and everything seemed rosey. Hindsight is a great thing.

I do believe ole can turn it around but we need fresh/better players.

 

[Acquire Me]

Do you think you maybe give him a bit more slack cos you're from Norway? Calling people's opinions 'shit' during our worst period of form for 50 years is a bit of a joke.

I will not give him any slack because his from Norway. Its to early to judge him and he and the club got a hell of a job in the coming years. I will not stand by if he does a poor job in the future.

I agree, its not nice to call other peoples opinions shit. Its just premature to call for his head so soon.

 

[Cassidy]

Not really, the mistake was signing him permanently too early. As soon as we made it official everything dropped that 10%.

Before that went on an amazing run and everything seemed rosey. Hindsight is a great thing.

I do believe ole can turn it around but we need fresh/better players.

Or common sense, since we had seen the same thing at other clubs like Shakespear at Leicester and DiMatteo at Chelsea being examples.

Amateur hour at United appointing him when we did and not going through the recruitment process we set out to do up to the summer.

It's not like we don't know about bounces after new managers come in. He should have been evaluated more on how he would react to a couple of losses.

 

[TheNewEra]

I will not give him any slack because his from Norway. Its to early to judge him and he and the club got a hell of a job in the coming years. I will not stand by if he does a poor job in the future.

I agree, its not nice to call other peoples opinions shit. Its just premature to call for his head so soon.

I don't think he will be here longer than 12 months personally, that's a maximum.

 

[Amadaeus]

And what would that achieve? Thats actually setting him up for failure. The young players you mention, may have talent but are definitely not ready to spearhead a transformation. Even the class of 92 had leaders like Eric and Roy Keane to guide them.

I am sure if Pochetinho were to be given the job and only 100m to spend, you would be accusing the board of sabotaging the campaign.

If the board don't have any confidence in Ole to spend the money wisely, I’d much rather see them sack him than sabotage another season.

It saves us from buying players that our next potential manager won’t believe would be good enough to fit his philosophy. It will be like a loop again. £100m plus the sale of our players is more than enough to succeed. Pogba might go for £160m which might be unfortunate for the next manager who might think he could have gotten the best out of him. With that fund we can make reasonable acquisitions and not wholesale changes that will set us back further if we get in the wrong players.

Pochettino has had to utilize less than that amount most of his career. I doubt that would bother him that much. Heck, what I mentioned is perhaps more than what levy will probably give him next season .

So you believe Ole needs £200m plus sale of some players to make us competitive? It is not like we are a mid table club. We have some talent already in this team and the honeymoon period showed that.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Or common sense, since we had seen the same thing at other clubs like Shakespear at Leicester and DiMatteo at Chelsea being examples.

Amateur hour at United appointing him when we did and not going through the recruitment process we set out to do up to the summer.

It's not like we don't know about bounces after new managers come in. He should have been evaluated more on how he would react to a couple of losses.

It was more than 3-4 games, it was 15. That’s a fair chunk and nobody expected it to fall off a cliff the way it has.

 

[Cassidy]

It was more than 3-4 games, it was 15. That’s a fair chunk and nobody expected it to fall off a cliff the way it has.

Again the evaluation of a manager should really be looking at how they handle the tough situations like a couple of losses.

 

[Ban]

What will be the excuse when we go into next season with Rashford as our first choice striker? Who's at fault then?

Maybe we'll buy a striker but primarily we need a RB, CM, RW and maybe a CB.

 

[SAFMUTD]

Has anyone seen any player from our team taking the blame and saying Ole is not the problem?

I think Ole has lost the dressing room with some declarations such as “I will be successful here and some players wont be here to witness it”, at the moment ir doesn’t seem like the players support him.

In the first games they talk about how much Ole had improved them and how happy they were. Now maybe they realized how clueless Ole is.

 

[Bobcat]

He should only get £100m to spend if he is to stay here next season and funds from players he sell. If the club is willing to throw away a lot of money, I will be satisfied with them giving me £10m. Ole needs to prove that he can get the best out of the players in our academy and the current team. Looking at what Pochettino has done with so little is remarkable and it should be a platform for Ole to follow.

With the likes of Chong, Greenwood, Garner, Laird, Gomes, McTominay, and Tianzebe, we don’t have lack of quality option to choose from. Not comparing Ole to Sir Alx, but Saf had to deal with much a worse option. I recalled him putting Carrick and Fletcher at cb and we still look like a good team.

For what reason though? I am all for playing youth (if they are good enough), but why should we hamstring ourselves like that when we all know way to many of these players are not close to good enough. We have loads of money, net spend trophies are not something most fans value

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

He probably knew he was getting the job (talks had started) so he then realised there was more risk to playing the youth.

Seems odd to stop doing the things that got you the job, and were clearly working, maybe not sustainable, but working all the same.

Is worrying that him reverting to 'non risk mode' , or probably just his normal style, has seen such a decline, because obviously he was doing something that was out of the ordinary/out of his comfort zone, that actually got him the job.

 

[Cassidy]

Seems odd to stop doing the things that got you the job, and were clearly working, maybe not sustainable, but working all the same.

Is worrying that him reverting to 'non risk mode' , or probably just his normal style, has seen such a decline, because obviously he was doing something that was out of the ordinary/out of his comfort zone, that actually got him the job.

In reality is quite normal, explains also why some players find it difficult when they step up to a better club, they don't feel confident to do what they usually do due to fear of failure, so they play safe.

 

[Ban]

Giving underperforming chances stuff. When do many players are underperforming who should he play instead? You don't just throw young players out there, you give them chances bit by bit. And it's so silly to talk about it today after Chong played and was decent. He can't play like 5, 6 players at the same time. It's just one more stick to beat him with.
Saying that I expect and hope few younguns will get regular chances next year. If at least one or 2 emerge as good players it saves us money.

 

[TMDaines]

Really concerning that there appears to be no speculation around Ole’s future. It seems a given that he’s going to be there next season and given the last couple of months, I see no reason to be positive about that. We panicked in appointing him at the first sign of trouble in his reign, hoping that the vote of confidence would lead to another morsl boost, but he’s been completely unable to arrest the run of form since the novelty of his supply teacher act ended.

I’ve got no reason to be optimistic. I thought he was a reasonable caretaker appointment to lift the gloom around the club and thought he was qualified to do that, but why the feck did we commit before getting the largest sample possible. There’s no why on Earth that you would now appoint Solskjaer now, so what are we going to do? Wait until September before sacking him off and make another bad decision in the interim, because we’re too afraid to admit we have made a previous one?

I disagree with Neville entirely. This isn’t just the players relaxing. This is managerial mediocrity.

 

[TsuWave]

comedy "manager"

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

In reality is quite normal, explains also why some players find it difficult when they step up to a better club, they don't feel confident to do what they usually do due to fear of failure, so they play safe.

True, so the conclusion is we should have kept Ole on a rolling week by week contract, he'd probably have accepted it as well.

 

[Ban]

Has anyone seen any player from our team taking the blame and saying Ole is not the problem?

I think Ole has lost the dressing room with some declarations such as “I will be successful here and some players wont be here to witness it”, at the moment ir doesn’t seem like the players support him.

In the first games they talk about how much Ole had improved them and how happy they were. Now maybe they realized how clueless Ole is.

Post based on absolutely nothing, zero.

 

[ManUArfa]

We don't know exactly who they are but his most important job right now is to get rid of the players who are having the most disruptive effect on the team. After that it's those who have passed the other side of their peak (longest passed first). Team, team, team before player, player, player. Let's hope this major part of SAF's approach has rubbed off....