I got carried away and wanted him but it's looking increasingly obvious that he's not cut out for the huge task of rebuilding us. Very few would want him to sign a permanent deal if the decision had been left until the end of the season. Now we have to hope he can turn it around because Woodward isn't going to sack him as it would be a PR disaster and Ed's incompetence would be highlighted throughout the press. The best thing we can do now is get an experienced DoF who can help get players who fit an identity we're working towards so chopping and changing managers doesn't bring us back to square one every time.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I would like to see a vid of him saying that because otherwise I dont believe the quote
Ah I see. Pogba the bogeyman, the source of our incompetence.
If he walked could you at least give him some credit for having self-respect? No one wants to be in this shit show if they know they can do more. Except Young, Jones and the likes, these players 're probably laughing their ass off right now trying to figure out why they're still getting paid handsomely for doing virtually nothing.
Very harsh on him.
You can't blame him for taking the biggest job in British footy, and you also can't expect him to resign.
He's a Norwegian League manager ffs, who's only other experience of the PL was getting Cardiff relegated - this is, from his point of view, literally a lottery win.
You can't expect the guy who wins the lottery to give his winnings away because he doesn't know how to invest them.
Ole should be replaced, that's my opinion, and increasingly confident that I'm right on that. But Ole the man shouldn't be attacked in this.
The board made the decision, and the board need to fix it.
Ole's a legend as an ex player, and a nothing manager - there's no point in getting emotional about that, and there's no need to criticize Ole the man.
He's a good guy imo. But a crap manager.
It wouldn’t be different because it’s an idiotic thing to say to the public when you’re the manager of Manchester United regardless of what the situation is and how shite the players are.
Very conflicted as to if he is good enough to lead us forward. The first 12 games in charge we looked very good. Now we look terrible. It looks as if the players have got fed up with him. Is he able to motivate them, i worry.
Vince Lombardi who was an american football coach once said that the managers who scribble tactics on the board are a dima a dozen. The best best managers get inside players heads. Can ole do that? Going by the first 12 games he can. going by the last 12 he cannot.
I just dont want to be here in two years time saying whats been said for the last six, that we need a new coach and players.
Vince Lombardi who was an american football coach once said that the managers who scribble tactics on the board are a dima a dozen. The best best managers get inside players heads. Can ole do that? Going by the first 12 games he can. going by the last 12 he cannot.
I just dont want to be here in two years time saying whats been said for the last six, that we need a new coach and players.
Yes, I almost forgot Sanchez went off injured again. You just cannot make it up with him - it's like he actually has been jinxed.
We'll have to pay him a huge wedge to get him to go though, hasn't he still got 3 years left?
Martial I always worried wasn't as good as the hype. Better than what Jose got out of him, but like Rashford, not quite as good as we like to think, and better in the middle.
Lukaku - I could deal with going, Pogba I'd be a bit gutted as he's by far the best player we have.
The World class ones, per-chance? Who are leaving to join clubs who compete?
Or are we seeing the last of the dross that actually needs to be shipped out...?
If it was De Bruyne or Modric performing the way Pogba has been you'd been slaughtering them.
Instead, Ole should say we clearly deserve to be in the Champions League and just turn up at the group stage draw.
Nothing suggests the players express the pride required to be offended by Ole's comments. They sure haven't got a leg to stand on if they want to complain.
That is the thing really. We will also not be able to buy the very best players that we know would improve us. Messi, Neymar, Mbappe, Ronaldo, Hazard is not going to come.
We need to bring in less proven players and help them reach the top level. For that we need good management. Without the management the players are not going to perform well enough and we might want to replace them in the future too.
Well, if that is the case, is the responsibility solely on the manager? If it this is all in the players heads then there is something seriously wrong with their mentality. They played with their hearts on their sleeves when Jose was gone, but no they dont bother? Seems pretty unprofessional to me
A manager can only really do so much. He can build a team of the right players, he can try and motivate his players and he has in-game tactics to try and outfox the other team.
Gone by Christmas
He has managed Cardiff and Molde and we are relying on him to rebuild Man United because he used to play for us. It’s horrific.
It is utterly utterly insane is what it is.
That's why we should have waited until season end before hiring our manager.
But Woodward couldn't resist. He knows the Old Trafford loves Ole. Instead of doing his job and properly assessing things and giving him as much time to make the right decision he went with the sentimental decision. Let's not forget Ole had lost his last two games before getting this job. Surely waiting to see how he turns it around is the most rational thing to do. Surely!
And if by seasons end Ole had turned it around. Then it's an easy decision.
The strangest thing in all of this remains the timing, I will never understand why United needed to make the decision in that international break . When Jose was sacked I had given up on the season but just wanted the club to take its time and start a rebuild in a proper manner . No idea how but Manchester United have managed to finish the season in a worst position than when Jose was sacked . I was hopeful for next season at that point, I have no hope now and just a feeling of relief that at least this is going to end for a few months
Agree with all that.
It is eerie how much he reminds me of Moyes, particularly on the bench.
Don't like the guy and I don't like him trying to sweet-talk in the media all the time.
Don't like the guy and I don't like him trying to sweet-talk in the media all the time.
Maybe Ole should put the lot of them "under the bus" and not procrastinate like he did in the pre-match presser? Five months in and Moyes was in full cut-throat flow, dumping on anything and anyone that could be sacrificed in order to save face; perhaps Ole should admit defeat and try and force the issue with Woodward, and excoriate the whole fecking rotten-apple, brimming full of shite, barrel of them.
I know full well that this won't resolve anything, and that the manager has to work with the majority of this detritus next season, but short of a total and comprehensive overhaul I can't see anything being remedied with the cycle simply repeating ad nauseum regardless of who the manager is.
I know full well that this won't resolve anything, and that the manager has to work with the majority of this detritus next season, but short of a total and comprehensive overhaul I can't see anything being remedied with the cycle simply repeating ad nauseum regardless of who the manager is.
What world class ones?
More big words from him, just like you're going to be ruthless Ole? How there was 'No where to hide' but allowed several players to continue to stink up the place game after game? Actions speak louder than words.
He is in over his head.He has managed Cardiff and Molde and we are relying on him to rebuild Man United because he used to play for us
But I honestly don't blame him. He loves us.
Those who appointed him are the ones we should be going after.
Doesn't actually mean a lot saying that there's a chance we have seen the last of some of them, a few will be leaving of their own accord.
Worrying loss of form since the PSG game which seems a lifetime ago.
Worrying loss of form since the PSG game which seems a lifetime ago.
I agree with you. Even Craig bloody Burnley said it on ESPN when Ole was made permanent that it was way too premature. It was dismissed as the comments of a United hater but even then I was agreeing with him. There was no need, if some players wanted to reassured before commiting, well feck them !! The club is bigger, we needed to do this the right way
Not sure where to put this, but this pathetic United team have made me so apathetic to football that I don’t really care if Liverpool win the league
You asked specifically about Young. Whilst we have other issues, the fact Young is picked most games despite being utter shite and a liability is concerning to me. Because we actually have a couple of young fullbacks in the ranks who have not had a look in.
They're all his players, he's the manager of the team.
Maybe I've been gone too long from England and Manchester specifically to understand this mentality, but the notion that a coach cannot be judged until he churns a squad is just asinine to me. First, that's never going to happen. No coach, unless they're wildly successful and manage to stay in power for a long time (i.e. SAF), is going to be able to turn over a starting XI much less a squad. The majority of the players that aren't his right now will continue to not be his next season. Second, the coach should be able to adapt his approach based on the skillset of the players available to him. If we don't have "the fitness" to play the way Ole wants to, there should be something resembling a Plan B in place. Just going by the way we've played recently, I have no idea what that is. If we continue to have fitness issues next season, are we going to fall to pieces again?
The thing that's most absurd to me about all of this is that we literally just went through this with Jose. There was a huge uproar during Jose's first season about him "not having his players" and the team not being built to play his way...it's the exact fecking same then as it is now. At some point we're going to have to come to grips with the notion that due to an incompetent football operations department, lack of appeal, stronger competition from other clubs, or whatever reason, the manager is never going to get many of the players he really wants.
Maybe when he is sacked, Carrick will become the manager. Or maybe give it Giggseh.
We need a decent football structure for one. We definitely don't have that..
I am over being angry through. What's the point?
Its incredible. When Mourinho called him a virus, we were all out in force with our pitch forks to protect him. Then we had that sensational run of form where he was almost scoring or assisting every game. "See" they exclaimed - Mourinho was so wrong. Now we want to hound out the fecking man who got Ole the job.
My point is that if Pogba and DDG are leaving and 'Youngy', 'Rashy', Jones, Smalling etc are staying then it's hardly a clear-out...
It's just putting spin on losing our best players.
I like your optimism.
The difference being, Ole is absolutely right. Our current squad is no better than EL standard. Can you refute that claim?
Moyes took over a title-winning squad, sold/released many core players, replaced the backroom staff, completely restructured the training regime and then led the club to 7th place.
He also said, "we need to aspire to be more like City". He was talking about the current league champions.
Any comparison between Ole and Moyes is a non-starter.
That’s not how our club has been run for decades. We require stability and long term commitments from players.
No it does not and Young has let Ole down far more the Dalot.
Alexis has failed previously under Ole, so has Matic.
Great he put Chong on and thats good, but he should have started him (or someone else), and had a week of training to have a plan with the lad and give him confidence.
A team that has Young as captain, Mata as playmaker can never challenge for top 4, forget titles.
McT is captain material for future. James Garner can fit in the squad nicely. Need new blood. Otherwise same old story next season.
McT is captain material for future. James Garner can fit in the squad nicely. Need new blood. Otherwise same old story next season.
Honestly, would you be that upset if he started the entire youth team?
I mean, that's a great way to make a point
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