If you were earning what he's earning you would be grinning like a Cheshire Cat.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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There's certainly far more variables and context, which I touched on later in my post.
However, I've always found the narrative on here of "Ole has been better so just shut up; I don't care about winning things" to be very fecking weird. It's been rammed down everyone's throat for years now. It's certainly worth more of a conversation, and isn't as one sided as some have you believe.
Nah, not anymore. I think I just got used to having clown on the touchline rather than the actual manager.
Yup I sort of agree. To be clear, I'm no longer Ole in because there are too many things lacking, but I just wanted to defend him a little. I feel like we're trying new things tactically this season and it isn't quite coming off yet.
Couple of thoughts:
- Pre-season Ole said he wanted to attack more. Of course the Caf took that to mean we're going 4-3-3 but I think it was a more general comment on commiting more men forward in attack.
- We signed Varane who was supposed to complement Maguire and sweep up counter attacks, deal with pacy attackers etc. allowing us to play a higher line. We are doing that now. Atleast personally, I think out defensive line is a lot higher up this season than it was last.
- We've consistently been caught out on the counter this whole season by pacy forwards.
- We were never this bad at dealing with counter attacks last season.
I notice a 4-1-4-1 type shape in attack where one of the CMs is given a license to go further forward. If Pogba plays at CM, he'll be in the left half space and Bruno in the right half space. If it's McFred, McT is allowed to forward and into the box almost as the right attacking mid and Bruno patrols the left half space.
That leaves LCB (Lindelof today), Fred (our deepest midfielder) and RCB (Varane) to mop up behind. At this time, If Fred misses a challenge, we're in trouble. If Varane misses a challenge (see Villareal goal where he stepped up and missed his), it's the same. Against Villareal we started McT in the role Fred played today, but his positioning was shit and that caused problems as well.
We could use Matic in Fred's role (and we did a couple of times and saw instant improvement in our play) but he doesn't have the legs to be the starter week in week out, so might as well sink or swim with McFred.
I wonder if he'll call off the experiment early and ask both CMs to sit a bit deeper as they did last season but teams will just clog up the center and we'll run into familiar problems around breaking teams down if he does that. He's on borrowed time though, pressure's on to deliver, has a great squad and if he's messing with the tactics now, he won't last.
Its look like Ole run out of ideas now, way to predictable. And with CMs like today I am not surprise we concede goal.
I'm a smiley person in life too, but no way am I smiling in that situation, especially after putting faith in McFred, and then consistently being shat on by their performances. I'd be seething and it being draw just hurts when they were a weaker team. I just can't understand it.
There's obviously a few things to be frustrated about with how we're playing but two that standout for me that would be small changes but would make a big difference are unforced errors and tactical fouls. As others have said on the latter we're just not good at these and it's a big part of why we keep finding ourselves having opp attackers running directly at our centre backs. Even if we're not looking to intentionally foul we need more players to be be physical enough and go into challenges thinking they're going to get the ball or go in hard enough that they'll get everything.
On the unforced errors it's just frustrating. It's just the basics, we give the ball away so cheaply even in relatively unpressured situations and it's typically quite near our goal. Particularly when we have Bruno/Pogba (and probably soon Rashford) players who tend to be quite high risk in how they play and are going to give the ball away we need the others to get the basics right.
On the unforced errors it's just frustrating. It's just the basics, we give the ball away so cheaply even in relatively unpressured situations and it's typically quite near our goal. Particularly when we have Bruno/Pogba (and probably soon Rashford) players who tend to be quite high risk in how they play and are going to give the ball away we need the others to get the basics right.
All any of us can do is wait and see. By the end of November we'll see how the land lies.
Imagine if they get someone like Butt as interim and then make him permanent 
It's laughable and Ole hopes we don't notice the lack of progress. He wants us to believe we're in a constant state of rebuild, because he himself knows he doesn't have what it takes to win trophies.
Maybe last year when he wasn't under as much pressure he just might have got away with it but can you imagine him giving rollickings to Ronaldo, Pogba or Varane ? Even with Cavani, Bruno, Maquire who have another year under their belts I could see telling him to go feck himself. Ole has absolutely no credit in the bank with these players and that will be his downfall.
Imagine if they get someone like Butt as interim and then make him permanent
A) That's not going to happen
B) If that happens I'm out
They honestly would if he went on a great run and the idiots in the media started saying he should be given the job.Imagine if they get someone like Butt as interim and then make him permanent
The most infuriating thing is that we are constantly making the same mistakes.
Yes, we are playing teams who put 11 men behind the ball. Everton had a back 8 for parts of the game, but do you think teams don't do that at City, Chelsea or Liverpool. Of course they do. You have to find a way to break them down. We have had this same problem for 2 seasons now, especially at home. We are way too slow in possession, and it is easy to defend against. Fans are pointing to the spare man, screaming at them to pass it, but no, they go sideways, or play a pointless pass into AWB or Luke Shaw, and by the time the spare man receives the ball he is double marked with no where to go. Then the ball is passed back and exactly the same sequence is repeated down the other wing.
Mason Greenwood isn't a winger. He doesn't cross the ball into the strikers. He only wants to cut inside and shoot. AWB doesn't want to cross either, so from the right hand side there is no service to the strikers. I love Mason, but Sancho has been brought in to play on the right wing. His assist and goal stats from the right wing are world class. We play him on the left??
Playing Fred and McTominay at home, is like driving a Lamborghini with the handbrake on. Matic is our only proper CDM. When he plays we are a different team. He can pick the ball up from the back 4 and run with it. He can play through balls to the forwards. McFred can only go sideways. Also, Ole said that he needed to shore things up, because we were too open against Villareal. But it was our 2 defensive midfielders who caused most of our problems on the counter today. Fred was a disaster. Passing it to the opposition, playing hospital balls in our final third. He was bullied off the ball countless times and not just for their equaliser. I said after Villareal that McTominay was a yard off the pace of the game. He was the same today. Totally absent. I'm not going to jump on the Donny bandwagon, but he is a level above these 2 clowns in terms of moving the ball quickly, making forward passes. It's like Ole cannot see what we are all watching. Fred being disposed, and Everton scoring. Did he not see that happen? Is Fred going to start the next game? Probably.
I can't really fault Cavani or Ronaldo today. They had no service at all. Bruno ran his socks off, but again the service into him is really poor.
Another thing that really infuriates me. We have loads of corners in a game. Loads. And we never ever score from them. Don't even clear the first man sometimes. It really grinds my gears.
McFred will be the death of Ole.
Yes, we are playing teams who put 11 men behind the ball. Everton had a back 8 for parts of the game, but do you think teams don't do that at City, Chelsea or Liverpool. Of course they do. You have to find a way to break them down. We have had this same problem for 2 seasons now, especially at home. We are way too slow in possession, and it is easy to defend against. Fans are pointing to the spare man, screaming at them to pass it, but no, they go sideways, or play a pointless pass into AWB or Luke Shaw, and by the time the spare man receives the ball he is double marked with no where to go. Then the ball is passed back and exactly the same sequence is repeated down the other wing.
Mason Greenwood isn't a winger. He doesn't cross the ball into the strikers. He only wants to cut inside and shoot. AWB doesn't want to cross either, so from the right hand side there is no service to the strikers. I love Mason, but Sancho has been brought in to play on the right wing. His assist and goal stats from the right wing are world class. We play him on the left??
Playing Fred and McTominay at home, is like driving a Lamborghini with the handbrake on. Matic is our only proper CDM. When he plays we are a different team. He can pick the ball up from the back 4 and run with it. He can play through balls to the forwards. McFred can only go sideways. Also, Ole said that he needed to shore things up, because we were too open against Villareal. But it was our 2 defensive midfielders who caused most of our problems on the counter today. Fred was a disaster. Passing it to the opposition, playing hospital balls in our final third. He was bullied off the ball countless times and not just for their equaliser. I said after Villareal that McTominay was a yard off the pace of the game. He was the same today. Totally absent. I'm not going to jump on the Donny bandwagon, but he is a level above these 2 clowns in terms of moving the ball quickly, making forward passes. It's like Ole cannot see what we are all watching. Fred being disposed, and Everton scoring. Did he not see that happen? Is Fred going to start the next game? Probably.
I can't really fault Cavani or Ronaldo today. They had no service at all. Bruno ran his socks off, but again the service into him is really poor.
Another thing that really infuriates me. We have loads of corners in a game. Loads. And we never ever score from them. Don't even clear the first man sometimes. It really grinds my gears.
McFred will be the death of Ole.
Imagine if they get someone like Butt as interim and then make him permanent
....Don't you start putting ideas into their heads. Although there is a certain ring to 'Butt-inners'.
Ole out
I’m actually more annoyed at him smiling throughout the post-match interview than on the touchline.
In the interview, he’s had time to reflect after the game. But if you looked at his body language, you’d think we were 12 points clear at the top of the table.
And Butt Out
Don't you start putting ideas into their heads. Although there is a certain ring to 'Butt-inners'.
Imagine if they get someone like Butt as interim and then make him permanent
They couldn't be arsed to do something like that.
Things should change in the coaching setup, but United could be a point ahead of City by the end of the matchday. The season has a long way to go.
I really hope so!
So sick of seeing them together. I see you going in on Fred but he was way, way better than McTominay. He played progressive passes, he got his foot in and stopped play. He wasn't ripping up trees but he was doing much better until he cocked it up. And now that's all everyone will focus on. McTominay was the Mcshits again. Maybe it's because he's been out for a month and being asked to play 3 games in a week??? Baffling by Ole. I really don't see what McTominay has other than height, that Donny can't do and do so much better. Matic and Donny have already shown they work well together and they were both fresh. Why not pick them? Or if you want the energy, Fred & Donny. But definitely not McFred. It used to be that they were solid but not creative or good enough to unlock a low block. On current form they're neither. And that's all on Ole for picking them. Like you said, his stubbornness will be the death of him. Such a sad way to go for a legend.
their opponents: Tottenham, Norwich, Arsenal, Leicester, Southampton, Chelsea, Liverpool
our opponents: Leeds, Southampton, Wolves, Newcastle, West Ham, Aston Villa, Everton
having a similar number of points is not exactly worth bragging about. We've had an extremely easy schedule so far in comparison.
When Ole took over it was all the United way, believe in youth. He spunked 130m on DVB, Sancho and Diallo and doesn't play them.
You can clearly see the similarities between shite posters and children's opinions here in this clip.We’re trying to implement a forward thinking, front foot style of play we can’t rely on counter attack forever not if we are going to improve and that will take a little time to adjust to as we are seeing. The football seems a little disjointed but I guarantee we will come together and blast teams to shreds before long.
He’s better than the three guys who came before him. There can be no expectation that whoever comes after him will be better.
Just wait and see.
You didn’t answer my questions.
Well it's your argument to put forward. So if the time comes...
Only got to look at what Chelsea have achieved since replacing Lampard with someone who knows how to manage a squad. Won the Champions League with the exact same players.
I mean... 2 out those 3 guys who came before him managed to win trophies in their 1st or 2nd season while Ole is in his 3rd season and we have absolutely no chance of winning anything. How is he better? Smiles is not everything...
Excellent post.
He did a good job steadying the shop. Better than most and I thought he could do.
We are going nowhere this season.
He'll always need more and even then, the football won't improve. It was only a matter of time before we started dropping points. Our performances have been horrific this season. They aren't any better than they were last season to start. The results are, because our squad is better and De Gea has become amazing again saving us.
You don't need 5 years to showcase your managerial ability. It's somewhat evident after 1-2 years. This is what our team under Ole will always look like.
We could get Haaland and Rice in next summer and nothing will change. Ole is stuck in the past and so is this club. We need a fresh approach from a progressive attacking manager.
Ironically, I think the signing of Ronaldo will lead to his doom. There is no way even at 36, Ronaldo will be happy with just a top 4 push. Bruno nor Varane will be either. We've got a squad almost all in their peak(besides Ronaldo). The time to challenge is now.
We are going nowhere this season.
He'll always need more and even then, the football won't improve. It was only a matter of time before we started dropping points. Our performances have been horrific this season. They aren't any better than they were last season to start. The results are, because our squad is better and De Gea has become amazing again saving us.
You don't need 5 years to showcase your managerial ability. It's somewhat evident after 1-2 years. This is what our team under Ole will always look like.
We could get Haaland and Rice in next summer and nothing will change. Ole is stuck in the past and so is this club. We need a fresh approach from a progressive attacking manager.
Ironically, I think the signing of Ronaldo will lead to his doom. There is no way even at 36, Ronaldo will be happy with just a top 4 push. Bruno nor Varane will be either. We've got a squad almost all in their peak(besides Ronaldo). The time to challenge is now.
i agree about Ronaldo, if he aint winning trophies, then he is still top scorer. He will starve here with no service
OLE OUUUUUUUUUUUUT!
Waste of time
Imagine if they get someone like Butt as interim and then make him permanent
Considering the way our board has handled these appointments, will not be surprised if the likes of Butt, Fletcher or Carrick are offered the role. I just do not get the feeling that there is any long term strategy.
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