Should of swapped Fred for matic, Ronaldo for Greenwood. Kept donny and Bruno on, kept sancho on.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I don't think anybody is kidding themselves that he's some special manager... he's a manager who has made some good squad building decisions, a good man manager and you hope that combined with an excellent squad of players is enough to see us win trophies. But could we do better from a coaching perspective? Absolutely. It's a risk to destabilize things though. But this season for sure if we aren't successful then he should go.
I can understand Dalot for Sancho, to bring shape to the back 4.
Varane for VdB kinda makes sense, VdB was offering very little and moving to back 3 gave width.
In theory Jesse has more legs than CR7 so would run the channels and also drop into midfield.
Matic for Bruno is tricky one, but assume it’s to try and shore it up and play for the draw.
Martial for Fred, went for the win with a few mins to go.
Not saying they would have been the subs I’d have made but that’s my reading of the situation.
Probably should yes. We have the easiest CL group this season. We bottled CL group last season after winning the first 3 games. Then he started making baffling choices.
Can't win a trophy despite loads of great chances.
At a certain point if we Keep having these failings then you have to call it.
You don't see City Liverpool or Chelsea not making it out of the CL groups.
We have a squad and a team where these types of instances should be very seldom.
I mean if we somehow didn't make out of the group stages 2 seasons in a row, that would be a catastrophe.
agree with this, measured and sensible post (don’t mean to patronise but there aren’t many about!)
Everytime the camera goes over to em its as if they're taking Mckennas words as gold. Its like hes the real manager. And they're always chirping away like birds, its like they come up with shit as they go along.
What is your definition of successful for this season ?
As always, I respect your viewpoint, but I don't agree with it. Young Boys were knocking on the door, just calling it lucky isn't right. I'll give you the 2nd goal, thats individual mistake, it happens. But the pressure and momentum created before, thats something the manager has to share the responsibility. I am with you - I don't think, it was a mistake to take out Sancho and Donny, but taking off Bruno and/or Ronaldo was overkill. It led to us losing our counter abilities - something we are so good in. It certainly isn't the worst mistake in the world and of course hindsight is always 20:20 but I would tell you the same if the game would have ended 1:1.
So far out of this depth; still comprehend how he has survived this long.
Just because one chance Young Boys created after the sent off in the first half, and our manager decided we need to be more defensive by throwing away our quality in our creative and attackers? Sorry that's nonsense.
Ironically, people had been preaching about defending is not all about throwing in defensive players, but control possession, and stretching the pitch under Mourinho. Now under Ole, it's all alright. It's not like this is the first time we have this kind of performance, and weird shite tactic/sub, and of course shocking defeat. And talking about luck, we have been lucky with result despite performing terribly. Must be we're making our own luck argument then?
I'm fully of the belief that either would win the league... easily. They're simply at an entirely different level than Ole. Our upper management is shambles. We won't sack him because of some fool notion of sentimentality when we know he is clearly out of his depth. This is why this team is lagging so much behind Real, City, Chelsea, etc.
He doesn't have a good record in the CL. Let's hope we don't make a mess out of this group and kill any momentum we could have had this season.
Don’t think it’s possible to tell how much influence they have really. We hired Eric Ramsay who’s supposedly great at coaching pressing and buildup play in addition to set pieces. We’ve seen a difference in our set pieces but none in our pressing and buildup play. Mourinho at Spurs hired a reputable counterattacking assistant manager to supposedly modernise his ideas, but we saw no difference on the pitch.
it would be very disappointing indeed, but to make a sweeping statement that he should be sacked because of that is silly (I know it wasn’t your comment btw), it will depend on a number of factors which are too early to call at this point.
Unless we were first by a mile, yes. It would represent a disaster two years in a row in the Champions League. And I have been saying for a year on the podcast that I am fed up watching us be terrible in possession, both keeping it and using it sensibly. Tonight was a manifest of that in the worst example, we literally cannot keep the ball at times. 7 defeats in 11 in the Champions League is a shocking stat.
So while it might be harsh, that's the barometer for me. If we fail to make it out the group again this year, he should be sacked in my opinion.
and left a gaping hole at right back?
After the summer we had with this squad of players, we should be challenging for the league and the Champions League. Seriously challenging. And we have to win a trophy somewhere in there along with the serious challenging for the main competitions bit. Winning the FA Cup while being far off the PL or CL won't cut it anymore, as there are managers out there that will have us challenging for all these with our squad.
He’d make a great DOF but he has no business coaching a team who want to win at the highest level.
I agree. That fact doesn’t change my opinion either.
Fault doesn’t sit directly with Lingard, Ole is just as culpable for tonight’s defeat as that West Ham Utd player.
Don’t understand why Sancho was the one to make way for Dalot when he’s the only player in the team that offers you width and pace out wide. It was clear as day that it should have been Pogba to make way for the extra defender.
Also does Ole and his coaching staff not practice possibles scenarios at Carrington with the team if we were to go down to 10 men? Drills such as how do we shape up with a man short? How do we keep hold of possession with lesser players than the opponent? How can we still look and pose a threat with a man short? On tonight’s evidence, you genuinely can’t say we do because as soon as AWB was sent off, we just looked completely lost of ideas and couldn’t keep hold of possession for more than 3 mins. We didn’t even have an attempt at goal, never mind on target after the red card.
Don’t understand why Sancho was the one to make way for Dalot when he’s the only player in the team that offers you width and pace out wide. It was clear as day that it should have been Pogba to make way for the extra defender.
Also does Ole and his coaching staff not practice possibles scenarios at Carrington with the team if we were to go down to 10 men? Drills such as how do we shape up with a man short? How do we keep hold of possession with lesser players than the opponent? How can we still look and pose a threat with a man short? On tonight’s evidence, you genuinely can’t say we do because as soon as AWB was sent off, we just looked completely lost of ideas and couldn’t keep hold of possession for more than 3 mins. We didn’t even have an attempt at goal, never mind on target after the red card.
Fair do’s I don’t agree as I think it’s a much broader situation than just CL but I see your point
no Dalot had already come on.
Watching Bayern right now... It's like watching a different sport
He’ll stay as long as he gets top 4, it’s a given irrespective of all our feelings on the matter.
For those asking who should replace him? I’d take Zidane or Conte at this point.
Ah here he is. Lead dementor and chief of the asylum. Enjoy the next 5 days. Feast. Must have been a difficult last few weeks for you.
Well that’s because without the ball we were down to 9 men. We couldn’t get the ball. He should have taken Ronaldo off at HT. It’s hard enough carrying his pressing with 11 let alone 10. But then again he almost scored from nothing. So who knows? Nothing is black and white.
This is my favourite post in here
The Fred for Martial sub reminded me of the Everton game last season, where he brought Tuanzebe on for Greenwood with 3 minutes to go. Nobody was playing on the right wing, Everton used the space, piled the pressure on and got a last minute equaliser coming from that position. There's a long list of Ole Gunnar brainfarts and this just another one to add.
Certainly doesn't help himself when coping with adversity and needing to change things in a game, however no point in complaining Ole outers because he will be staying in the job whether we get out of this group or not because it's all about the top 4 for our leeches and that Champions League cash.
The Ole vicious cycle begins to turn its squeaky cog yet again. Not quite good enough to succeed but not quite bad enough to be sacked. Leaves you in limbo and these horrible performances & results continue like losing in Istanbul and Young Boys in the CL group stages.
PS. For those saying we were one bad misplaced pass away from a draw tonight, you’re missing the much bigger picture.
PS. For those saying we were one bad misplaced pass away from a draw tonight, you’re missing the much bigger picture.
Nothing has changed my mind so far that he's made a big mistake not prioritising centre midfield in the summer over anything else. Huge hole that means we can't control games properly.
Well, the caf tells us that this is impossible for us to see isn't it @Wumminator. We don't have the eyes or the badges to see patterns of play and quality or brand of football. Those that act as if they can, are just being hip and are probably not local fans.
Do we need 18 points to go through or something?
Ridiculous comment. Last season we got knocked out of the CL becsuse we lost against the group minnows that everyone else beat. Do you trust Solskjaer to get results in Villareal or Atalanta , 2 far superior teams to YB?
Zidane would be interesting given he has personal relationships with a few of our key players. Also has experience coaching at the highest level, obviously.
Wasn't he oddly not worshipped at Real despite the ridiculous CL record?
I would put money on it not being such an issue for Villareal or Atalanta.
I can see your point, but it'd really hard to defend him staying at that point.
Of course, it'd also depend on which manager was even available/willing to replace him mid-season.
Hopefully it doesn't get to that point. I think a lot of people here think most of us not convinced by Ole want him to fail for whatever reason. I'd love for him to be a massive success and prove me wrong. I just can't shake the nagging feeling that he just isn't a top level manager and we'll need 1 since we're going up against Pep and Klopp and even Tuchel.
Fair.
I just couldn't look past the fact this is the easiest group you could ever ask for.
Basically so far Ole is more consistent in the league's than our other managers post Ferguson.
But he is much worse in the cups in that we dint win any and we seem to have these inexcusable feck ups.
If the feck ups are repeated season after season I'd see no reason to continue.
Hope it won't come to that. I'm not Ole out, I'm just very in the edge. He gets some stuff right and some stuff wrong.
Knocked out in the group again would tip it for me and im sure many others.
Real fans adored him I'm pretty sure.
They wanted him to stay.
I highly doubt he'd come to England to manage though. Guessing he'll be the next French manager after Deschamps.
But you said leave Sancho on. Who would you have brought Dalot on for?
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How would you defends it though? It would be the second time and thus time in the easiest group.
Hopefully it doesn't happen and we win them all but with Oles CL record it does not look promising.
How would you defends it though? It would be the second time and thus time in the easiest group.
Hopefully it doesn't happen and we win them all but with Oles CL record it does not look promising.
That’s fair enough. Another group stage failure would be unacceptable.
Just hoping this result cranks up the pressure and spurs them on as there’s very little room for error now.
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