Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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I'm confused.

Sack him now, get a proper tactical manager, and then what?

We suddenly won 38 games straight to the title?

Amazing if management works like that.

It actually does.

Chelsea last season. Bayern the season before with Flick taking over. Managers do improve teams.

If you were in charge of both teams, you probably would have stuck by Lampard and Kovac.

And in the process, you'd lose a CL for 1 team and a treble for the other.
 
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You're right, there's no point to hiring a superior manager. Once Ole is gone, they might as well hire one of the caf, won't make a difference anyway
:lol: I say disband the club after Ole. There is no life after Ole. For some he is the only plan.
 
It actually does.

Chelsea last season. Bayern the season before with Flick taking over. Managers do improve teams.

If you were in charge of both teams, you probably would have stuck by Lampard and Kovac.

And in the process, you'd lose a CL for 1 team and a treble for the other.
Chelsea under Lampard and Tuchel are worlds apart. Yet another example of what a high quality manager can do. But nah, let's sit around challenging for top 4 for another 5 years. Because stability, tradition, gets the club and Sir Alex protege.
 
I think Ronaldo coming in will hugely benefit Ole in more ways than people think. He needs someone to explicitly show him how tactically naïve we sometimes are. We don't want to end up like Arsenal.
 
Our team coaching, our team selections, and in-game adjustments are seriously lacking. 3 years into Ole's term and we still have no improvement in our play or style. The team plays as if the ball is a grenade. If we cannot pass the ball and keep possession, how can we aim to win any titles? And what the hell has VDB done not to get a second of game time on the pitch? People who say he is not good enough have not even seen him play. If he gets 4-5 games on the trot, then people can make judgements not a few minutes here and then no matches for months.
 
I think Ronaldo coming in will hugely benefit Ole in more ways than people think. He needs someone to explicitly show him how tactically naïve we sometimes are. We don't want to end up like Arsenal.
How can Ronaldo show Ole was naive about tactics?
 
Ole has the 3rd highest win % in Man Utd history, only behind SAF & JM. He has clearly progressed the squad and and we are consistently making CL football.

We want to start winning trophies for sure however the way some of you bang on about him being a terrible coach you would think we were languishing in mid table.

It's not football manager, we can't replace the entire squad overnight, incremental progress is the goal and we are seeing that.

We were poor with the ball today but it's not the first time we have struggled against Wolves and it won't be the last.
 
Ole has the 3rd highest win % in Man Utd history, only behind SAF & JM. He has clearly progressed the squad and and we are consistently making CL football.

We want to start winning trophies for sure however the way some of you bang on about him being a terrible coach you would think we were languishing in mid table.

It's not football manager, we can't replace the entire squad overnight, incremental progress is the goal and we are seeing that.

We were poor with the ball today but it's not the first time we have struggled against Wolves and it won't be the last.
Firstly, all the managers following SAF have the luxury of managing a giant of club football which those before did not. The great man pretty much created an empire which allows his successors to spend money like it grows on trees.

Secondly, Ole is the only manager of the post SAF era to win sweet feck all.

Thirdly, incremental progress is not the goal at elite football clubs. Expediting the long overdue journey to the top is, which is what great coaching does. We didn't sign Varane and Ronaldo to "make incremental progress" FFS. No club would sanction the funds we are to make slow progress. That can happen on a tight budget too. And no we don't need to replace half the team, just the manager.

Just to add, it's not all negative on the Ole front. He's stabilised thr club following Mourinho's meltdown, his man management is strong and on paper, we are a much improved team from when he took over. However, I simply do not see the progress on the pitch in terms of quality of football that is required to take us to the top. For me, he's a good caretaker-esque job but we are only delaying the inevitable as us becoming a top top team won't happen under him.
 
It actually does.

Chelsea last season. Bayern the season before with Flick taking over. Managers do improve teams.

If you were in charge of both teams, you probably would have stuck by Lampard and Kovac.

And in the process, you'd lose a CL for 1 team and a treble for the other.

Tuchel took over an expensive squad which spent a lot that summer.
 
Ole has the 3rd highest win % in Man Utd history, only behind SAF & JM. He has clearly progressed the squad and and we are consistently making CL football.

We want to start winning trophies for sure however the way some of you bang on about him being a terrible coach you would think we were languishing in mid table.

It's not football manager, we can't replace the entire squad overnight, incremental progress is the goal and we are seeing that.

We were poor with the ball today but it's not the first time we have struggled against Wolves and it won't be the last.
United are one of the biggest club in the world with the budget reflecting that what Solskjaer is doing is bare minimum nothing extraordinary about it , just because managers prior to him did average to poor job doesn't mean he has been great for United he is in his fourth season with United and team still plays like bunch of strangers put together with no cohesion and lacking in basics.
 
Tuchel took over an expensive squad which spent a lot that summer.

But the biggest improvement was in their defense and midfield which he did with existing players. That's down to his coaching. Same players were grossly underperforming under Lampard no?
 
He still improved the team and no one had Chelsea winning the CL even with Tuchel.
Of course there is now a lot of revisionism regarding Chelsea. Prior to Tuchel everyone here felt that their squad had severe weaknesses and new signings were a bunch of duds. Now that Tuchel has won the CL, their squad is incredible, favourites to win the league, we need so and so to catch up etc

I don't think Chelsea's squad is as good as people make it out to be but it's interesting how big an impact a quality manager has - on the team's success and on people's perceptions.
 
But the biggest improvement was in their defense and midfield which he did with existing players. That's down to his coaching. Same players were grossly underperforming under Lampard no?
Absolutely. Their defence was wank under Lampard and midfield lacked control. Now their defence is impeccable and they recycle possesion superbly. Not signed anyone in those two areas. Quality management.
 
Of course there is now a lot of revisionism regarding Chelsea. Prior to Tuchel everyone here felt that their squad had severe weaknesses and new signings were a bunch of duds. Now that Tuchel has won the CL, their squad is incredible, favourites to win the league, we need so and so to catch up etc

I don't think Chelsea's squad is as good as people make it out to be but it's interesting how big an impact a quality manager has - on the team's success and on people's perceptions.

I don't think their squad is that good either.

If you swap the managers, the narrative would change a lot.
 
Of course there is now a lot of revisionism regarding Chelsea. Prior to Tuchel everyone here felt that their squad had severe weaknesses and new signings were a bunch of duds. Now that Tuchel has won the CL, their squad is incredible, favourites to win the league, we need so and so to catch up etc

I don't think Chelsea's squad is as good as people make it out to be but it's interesting how big an impact a quality manager has - on the team's success and on people's perceptions.
I am sick of the squad excuse. Our squad is as good as any in PL, I don't even think City's is better. But this excuse refuses to die. Now everyone is fixated over a DM, as if that will suddenly cover for Ole and propel us to the league title. Nonsense.
 
I am sick of the squad excuse. Our squad is as good as any in PL, I don't even think City's is better. But this excuse refuses to die. Now everyone is fixated over a DM, as if that will suddenly cover for Ole and propel us to the league title. Nonsense.
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City have two first XI that could win the league in their own right. On what planet is their squad not better than ours?
 
Funny that a year ago when comparing Chelsea's squad with ours many here agreed that we had a better squad. A year later we have Varane, Sancho and Cristiano while Chelsea has only added Lukaku.

I have the feeling that Chelsea squad is perceived way better since Tuchel arrived, we have plenty of talent to go head to head with any team in the world. I truly believe it, it's coaching that's letting us down. If we had Tuchel, Klopp or Pep I can only imagine the possibilities.

Lampard was completely lost and Tuchel put the team back at what made them successful under Conte...a back 3. Chelsea were weighted down by Lampard by a wide margin...Lampard's Chelsea were so lost and unorganized. He deserved the sack.

Chelsea also continue bought and brought in players into the fold such as Mendy, Chilwell, Kovacic, James, etc.

Klopp still had to buy Allison and VVD to complete his team. Liverpool before that bought very well with Roberson, Fabinho, Wijaldium, and their attacking line. How he used them is the benefit of his system, but they all have the requisite technical ability on the ball.
 
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City have two first XI that could win the league in their own right. On what planet is their squad not better than ours?

Planet Earth?

I don't think their squad is better. If it is, the gap isn't as big as you think it is.

List their 2nd XI that wins the league.
 
With due respect, that's just bollocks. Look at Chelsea's squad before Tuchel and tell me, they were a defensive masterclass of a team? Look at Milner, Wijnaldum, Henderson and tell me how Klopp managed to make Liverpool a press, counter press, possession and chance creation machine.

Ole deserves a lot of credit but because of the position he's in, he also warrants a lot of justified criticism. If the middle is weak then make it a priority for a formation, playing style or tactics to shore it up. Play a 4-3-3, better integrate a technical player (VDB), play a 3-4-3, play a 4-4-2, do anything and make it a conscious decision to address those issues. How can you look at today's performance and the squad and think 'Ole is doing everything a manager can do'. Wolves and Southampton played really well and to be fair would have given anyone a game but there's no way we should be so pourous, lacking in ideas of how to progress the ball up the pitch without moments of class from Pogba, who had to dally on the ball longer than usual just to look for the free man. Why is Bruno playing almost shoulder to shoulder with Greenwood? Why didn't Sancho see more of the ball?

It's one thing to be try and understand what Ole wants to do but it's another to call out what you're actually seeing after 3 years.

United's current squad cannot go 3 in the central midfield. People think that McTominay or Fred can be the lone holding mid with a Pogba and Bruno ahead play as two 8s....it's not going to happen. McTominay's strengths are then minimized as the lone 6. He doesn't have the on ball technical ability or passing range.

Bruno making runs off the back 3 is fine. We isolate one moment of the match to make a point, which is just poor context. Bruno plays much higher and at times is a 2nd striker type player, thus just reinforcing the need to have 2 CMs who are capable of passing and getting about in the center of the park. Currently, with any pairing, it has a weakness.

I agree with trying something as he's done a few times with 3 at the back but due to injuries or a diamond midfield away to Everton but only for one half. But he's shown that he hasn't deviated.

United wouldn't still be looking for a CM or RB if they thought it was good enough, because it is not. Going to a 433 without a player good enough will hinder the team. That is a fact.
 
I still find it amazing that people are still complaining about our squad compared to our rivals.

We've strengthened the most in the summer transfer window and brought in 2 world class players(1 of them being one of the best ever players) and another great player in Sancho(arguably world class).

Teams don't have 25 world class players. Our squad is more than good enough. Yes, I would love another midfielder brought in, but there is no excuse to not challenge with the squad we have.

Other teams have weaknesses too. No squad is perfect.

Chelsea don't have any significant weakness. City don't have a CF, but Pep managed to get a lot of results and performances last year without one. Liverpool don't have much depth, but their starting XI is very good.

No squad is perfect, but it is very clear United are still looking to get competition and players for CM and RB.
 
I am sick of the squad excuse. Our squad is as good as any in PL, I don't even think City's is better. But this excuse refuses to die. Now everyone is fixated over a DM, as if that will suddenly cover for Ole and propel us to the league title. Nonsense.

This. With a proper manager, this team will be competing and winning trophies.
 
That was a typical game under Ole. Didnt deserve to win, but our individual talent pulled him through.

Nothing has changed. If we win anything significant it is because we spend so much on quality players or have already established quality player.
 
Love it when people writing us off, our manager isn't good enough.

Fred is trash according to caf.

Mctominay is mid table level, can't win the league.

Ole can't coach.

This season Ole will prove them all wrong, and when the day comes, apologies not accepted.
 
That was a typical game under Ole. Didnt deserve to win, but our individual talent pulled him through.

Nothing has changed. If we win anything significant it is because we spend so much on quality players or have already established quality player.
I mean, definitely wasn't a typical game. We aren't free flowing sure but we tend to control games and do enough to deserve wins and have a decent xG differential per game (just not title winning level). We got dominated here though on pretty much every level.
 
It actually does.

Chelsea last season. Bayern the season before with Flick taking over. Managers do improve teams.

If you were in charge of both teams, you probably would have stuck by Lampard and Kovac.

And in the process, you'd lose a CL for 1 team and a treble for the other.
Just out of curiosity, who is the Tunchel equivalent in our case? In other words, who do you replace Ole with if you sack him?

I have plenty of concerns about Ole's tactical sophistication despite the good qualities he does have, but you don't sack a manager who's improved us overall unless you can genuinely improve on him. Who's available? Who do you get?
 
It actually does.

Chelsea last season. Bayern the season before with Flick taking over. Managers do improve teams.

If you were in charge of both teams, you probably would have stuck by Lampard and Kovac.

And in the process, you'd lose a CL for 1 team and a treble for the other.

Lampard was a complete dog for Chelsea like Arteta has been for Arsenal. Tuchel was strong enough and wise enough to go back to a back 3 and institute a closing down and pressing system all over. Chelsea had issues scoring but kept themselves very solid at the back and midfield. Under Lampard, you'd see Kante the furthest forward and one central mid totally fecked once the transition started. Lampard was an utter disaster.
 


This is a Liverpool fan talking sense and giving the full credits to United.

Our fans however..
 
I mean, definitely wasn't a typical game. We aren't free flowing sure but we tend to control games and do enough to deserve wins and have a decent xG differential per game (just not title winning level). We got dominated here though on pretty much every level.
I have seen this type of perform too often from Manchester United in the last few years. If we don’t improve, you can quote me that many false dawns will continue and we will struggle to find consistency at the top level. Our defense may be solid and because of the quality in our team, all we need is just one opportunity to score, but it is hard to imagine such a performance will see us win the champions league unless we are very lucky.
 
I have seen this type of perform too often from Manchester United in the last few years. If we don’t improve, you can quote me that many false dawns will continue and we will struggle to find consistency at the top level. Our defense may be solid and because of the quality in our team, all we need is just one opportunity to score, but it is hard to imagine such a performance will see us win the champions league unless we are very lucky.

And I have also seen United performed in big games under Ole.

It's well known our dropped points last season is against these teams.

Winning away at Molineux is a great result.

Playing bad and got away with 3 points is something we didn't do last season.
 
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Love it when people writing us off, our manager isn't good enough.

Fred is trash according to caf.

Mctominay is mid table level, can't win the league.

Ole can't coach.

This season Ole will prove them all wrong, and when the day comes, apologies not accepted.
Yep, always a great sign when people don't rate the manager.
 
And I have also seen United performed in big games under Ole.

It's well known our dropped points last season is against these teams.

Winning away at Molineux is a great result.

Playing bad and got away with 3 points is something we didn't do last season.
:lol: :lol: :lol: We have done that numerous times. We were even known last season for many of our comeback victories where we started of really poor, then turned things around. Even Gary Neville claimed that we were reliant of individual talent last season, so there were many instances where we played poor and got 3 point and I see that continuing this season unless we see drastic tactical change or perhaps, Ronaldo give the team an impetus to improve our build up and overall performance. With all the quality we have in our team, we don’t look like we knowhow to play football.

the Leeds game made me think we did, but it seems it was another false dawn.
 
:lol: :lol: :lol: We have done that numerous times. We were even known last season for many of our comeback victories where we started of really poor, then turned things around. Even Gary Neville claimed that we were reliant of individual talent last season, so there were many instances where we played poor and got 3 point and I see that continuing this season unless we see drastic tactical change or perhaps, Ronaldo give the team an impetus to improve our build up and overall performance. With all the quality we have in our team, we don’t look like we knowhow to play football.

the Leeds game made me think we did, but it seems it was another false dawn.

7 out of 9 points now isn't actually a false dawn isn't it?
 
He's just out of his depth. People comparing our squads to other rivals doesn't even make sense. You're having a laugh if you think City's squad look as well drilled and good as they do under Pep, as they would under Ole. The quality of the players is of course important, but so too is the system implemented by the coaching staff to provide them the platform to perform. That is where we fall desperately short.
 
Not sure what you are on about, but after the Leeds game our performances has dropped significantly if you aren’t blinded by red tinted specs.

Also not to add - the Leeds game is absolutely the kind of game where we perform. Those open games I am not at all worried about. We have some ridiculously talented players who when given space will dominate. Where we are shite is when we are pressed, when we are asked to pass and move, to create passing lanes, to press ourselves, to build up play so our forwards are isolated with defenders to get the most out of their game.

People comparing our squad's to City's but don't account for the fact that their forwards look great as they are far further up the pitch, isolated against defenders due to their very good work in build up and posession play. Our forwards need to start from our own half. The amount of times yesterday I saw Pogba just try and go for glory long passes only because we were out of idea and can't maintain any semblance of domination if we aren't allowed to counter attack was pathetic.
 
Just out of curiosity, who is the Tunchel equivalent in our case? In other words, who do you replace Ole with if you sack him?

I have plenty of concerns about Ole's tactical sophistication despite the good qualities he does have, but you don't sack a manager who's improved us overall unless you can genuinely improve on him. Who's available? Who do you get?

I wouldn't sack him now and I don't know. A lot of the good candidates are at top clubs already or at our rivals.

If we fail to challenge for trophies this season though, he's got to go.

You don't bring in Ronaldo to challenge for top 4.
 
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