He'd still have input on whether players should arrive or go, caretaker or not. But personally Winter windows are laregly redundant as we don't really do much business. I count it as 2 summer windows each.
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He'd still have input on whether players should arrive or go, caretaker or not. But personally Winter windows are laregly redundant as we don't really do much business. I count it as 2 summer windows each.
Blind was £14m too
We sold Fellaini in that winter transfer window as far as I recall.
I think net spend is useful to a degree. It gives you a perspective on how much assets the club has sold during that time. As you could turn it around for example, if we sell Bruno, Pogba and Rashford in the Summer and brought only one big money signing in. People would look at Oles spend and go "he's spent over €400m!", ignoring the massive sales that reduced the quality of the squad. It shouldn't be a decisive debate ender though.
I'm also not a fan of misinformation being spread about when it comes to LVG as he fecked us in the transfer market.
True, we bought Bruno in Winter market too, Mata as well, technically Diallo joined in January despite the fee being agreed in the Summer. Sanchez as well... alright, ignore that comment.
Also: can you imagine what players like these(not taking hindsight into consideration) would cost in the post Neymar-to-PSG market? Most of them would be significantly more expensive.
Look at this thread. These people do that already, when they say Ole spent £200m+ ignoring that at least half of that £200m+ came from sales, not including the massive wages we saved on the likes of Lukaku, Sanchez etc
Yep, another great point.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær might be the best manager in football history. What a time to be alive. He often advised Sir Alex Ferguson on matchday tactics, and was directly responsible for the club signing Christiano Ronaldo.
Indeed. If Wan-Bissaka costs £45M+, then Luke Shaw would surely have cost about the same had he been bought in todays market.
So he did. But I am talking about Net Spend. During those two seasons, we also sold players for roughly 120 million.
Well, no. He's spent roughly 200m net. That is, after deducting income from sales.
First season was Maguire (80), James (15), Wan-Bissaka (50), Bruno (55) = 195 million. Deduct ~80 for the sale of Lukaku and Fellaini, that's 115 million. Then there's the second summer window: DvdB (39), Diallo (21), Telles (15) and Pellistri (8.5)= ~84 million, minus the sale of Smalling and loan fees for Pereira and Lingard, equals about 18 million. So that brings the net total up in the vicinity of 200 million. Then of course Cavani isn't actually literally free, and the Sanchez situation factors in on both sides of the spreadsheet (buyout, fee, wages saved). Also, it matters that all of these sums are initial fees, without add-ons.
I've used these: Manchester United - Transfer League
They don't match up - those at my link seem to not include add-ons, and are hence generally lower.
Short version, that adds up to +150 million at your resource and +104 million on mine for 14/15, and +54 million on yours and +28 million on mine for 15/16.
And none of the these even factor in wages or things like agent's fees, I would think.
Guess the lesson is that we should be careful bandying figures about, and that there's not really any clear consensual definition of what basis the figures need to be on.
I'll accept the transfermarkt figures as more relevant though, as they seem to be on a more inclusive basis.
Ah sorry - misunderstood you.
Transfermarket is in euros as well remember.
He sold Young, Fellaini, TFM and Darmian too - probably at around £15 million. Young was about £2m, TFM was £1.5M, Darmian about £3M and Fellaini close to £10M
Of course Cavani is free, wages arent used in the transfer fee figure or you may as well add everybodys wages onto that list.
Got Snachez wages off, Young was on 100k a week as well. Lukaku on a fortune if i remember etc etc
Got Snachez wages off, Young was on 100k a week as well. Lukaku on a fortune if i remember etc etc
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Looks like he's melting.
No top club would touch Mourinho and LVG at the moment. Makes me wonder how many good managers we've actually had since Fergie left
I dont think its purely an argument of who has had what money. They all have. Its more to do with the squad inherited and long term vision. Squad management under Mourinho and LVG was abominable. For all the money spent by that pair, Ole (or it could have been another manager) inherited a squad with only a handful of useful players and good enough starters in it.
I count 14 that are still in the picture from what he inherited - 3 of those are tuanzabe, williams, and mata, who are all pretty peripheral. Then you throw lindelof, bailly, matic and fred in there who aren't good enough to start for us if we are honest about where the team needs to be and you are left with DDG, Shaw, Mctominay, Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Greenwood and there are question marks over some of them as well.
when the squads that far from it I dont think theres much topic in a discussion about his spending in relation to anything. He hasnt had peanuts but I still dont think he’s been given enough unless we are only really aiming for top 4. And we are lucky that academy graduates in Greenwood and Mctominay and Henderson have shown that they can step up and that the investments on Shaw, Fred and Martial(though not recently) have been somewhat salvaged
I count 14 that are still in the picture from what he inherited - 3 of those are tuanzabe, williams, and mata, who are all pretty peripheral. Then you throw lindelof, bailly, matic and fred in there who aren't good enough to start for us if we are honest about where the team needs to be and you are left with DDG, Shaw, Mctominay, Pogba, Martial, Rashford and Greenwood and there are question marks over some of them as well.
when the squads that far from it I dont think theres much topic in a discussion about his spending in relation to anything. He hasnt had peanuts but I still dont think he’s been given enough unless we are only really aiming for top 4. And we are lucky that academy graduates in Greenwood and Mctominay and Henderson have shown that they can step up and that the investments on Shaw, Fred and Martial(though not recently) have been somewhat salvaged
So when are they building his Statue? I’m sure it will look great when completed. I dunno why they’ve used an image of some random bloke in the tweet though, especially as it looks nothing like Ole.
Oh God, of course. It obviously takes someone more attentive to detail than I am to deal with this. Thanks for pointing out.
And Young and Darmian is included in 19/20 on Transfermarkt, but I used the other resource (where they aren't) for that year and I forgot to add them. Fellaini and TFM are accounted for though.
What a mess. Just ignore my figures. Sorry.
glad it wasn't just me that thought this
Still better than Ronaldo's
It might be just me, but we are a lot more assured team than the team was when we came second. Especially in the defence where we don't have a god level DDG to swing 10 points for us every season. And otherwise also we have a more well rounded team with fewer really weak links anymore. Whether we kick on is a different issue though because we need a good summer unlike the 2018-19 one.
I think for me it is all about what options are available. With players though it is more clear you go after the best players you can and then sort out what happens with the squad if they are added.
Say greenwood might deserve a chance, but going for a winger might make sense. Martial might deserve another chance as a forward, but adding a central forward makes sense.
With Ole though he either stays or he goes so it is a bigger call to make. I do not think he deserves the sack right now even with his flaws, but if we get a better manager with less flaws it would make sense to uppgrade.
We see Chelsea did go the ruthless way and it is working for them. Could do for us as well, but not a fan of us turning into them either. Like I do think giving managers time could work, but also that some are more skilled than others.
Can't see time turning Ole into Peps level personally, but it could be enough to win us the league if we get things right. I feel right now I am not fully sold on anyone of the managers we could get. Maybe Allegri since I do think he is quality and overall better than Ole, but I think Ole actually suit our team and club better.
Whatever you think about Oles tactical brain and ability to coach the players into better attacking patterns, he clearly knows how to deal with the people around Old Trafford and knows our club. So far he is also dealing with the pressure well enough too and most players do enjoy working under him so it is not like under Mourinho.
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Why a second half from him and the team my man. Absolutely gorgeous. Whatever he told them during half time it worked like charm.
Similar to how we turned the game on with a gorgeous second half against Spurs. He definitely can get a reaction out from the players after poor first half.
This second half was one of the most complete performance I have seen from us this season. Perfect in every single way.
Similar to how we turned the game on with a gorgeous second half against Spurs. He definitely can get a reaction out from the players after poor first half.
This second half was one of the most complete performance I have seen from us this season. Perfect in every single way.
108 goals all competitions so far this season.
First of all lets not pretend liverpool have had one injury to one important player this season. VVD,Gomez and Matic were all out for the season. Thats like us missing Maguire, Lindelof and Baily. Secondly you mention the liverpool buys as something unique but klopp had spent way less net than Ole and that liverpool team pre klopp was shittier than our team post mourinho. Thirdly with Pep and Klopp you have a footballing style that is unique to the manager which our manager lacks.
You think Ole has been made to work with scraps when the guy has spent 300 million plus in 2 seasons. You think it's unreasonable to judge him if we dont buy 3 more 50 million plus players in postions like cm,rw and cb disregarding the fact that Ole is happy with his cm options and Ole chose to spend 50 million on two young right wingers who have barely played. You've basically set a scenario where it will never be Ole's fault if he doesn't succeed here unless he signs three more Bruno level players. Lastly i'll just say if our squad is so imbalanced it's impossible to win the league ( we were top in january btw and results against shitty teams cost us) that falls on the manager especially when he signs one attacking midfielder that he doesn't play in a summer window.
Anyways sexy win tonight.
To the HT haters
I have the same problem Ole does on Football Manager. Can never get my team motivated in the first half, but after a "Where's the passion, lads?" they're raring to go.
Ole deserves so much credit tonight.
We were much the better team in the first half and only went in behind due to two moments. All the commentators and analysts (Savage, Scholes and Hargreaves) were losing their cool and demanding changes, despite the fact we were the better team. Composure and being process-oriented are such underrated qualities in a manager. The manager just chucking forwards on in a panic would have been the wrong move and have moved Pogba out of the area where he could cause carnage.
We were much the better team in the first half and only went in behind due to two moments. All the commentators and analysts (Savage, Scholes and Hargreaves) were losing their cool and demanding changes, despite the fact we were the better team. Composure and being process-oriented are such underrated qualities in a manager. The manager just chucking forwards on in a panic would have been the wrong move and have moved Pogba out of the area where he could cause carnage.
I thought it was a good time to make some subs after the fourth, but fair play to him for killing off the tie. It’s always a risk that a load of subs will kill the momentum.
We might even see the lesser known DVB in the starting line up next week
We might even see the lesser known DVB in the starting line up next week
Try the “the media have given you a lot of credit lately” one. It’s quite funny, because he’s admitted that he’s played Football Manager in the past.
Great stuff tonight. Take the ridiculous penalty decision out of it (granted, we had a dubious one too) and the defensive brainfart for Dzeko’s goal, we were by far the superior team across the 90 minutes.
Bring some of that swagger on Sunday please, boys. Well in!
Bring some of that swagger on Sunday please, boys. Well in!
That's really impressive.
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