Apart from City, not really no.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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Our form has always been and always will be unbelievably inconsistent under Ole.
Circumstances wise I would have. Injuries are coming thick and fast. We weren't good today but we still ended up missing two open goals. Last 15 minutes is what bothers me. I understand he didn't have an attacker for Bruno. But why change the shape and play 5 at the back with 3 midfielders who can't pass the ball. That was a poor tactic and not surprisingly cost us the game. He probably wanted to run away with 1-0 amd focus on west ham but now with no martial, cavani and probably even rashford we might see another 0-0 against west ham.
To be fair he should be able to produce SAF era attacking football with McTominay and Matic in the midfield. Fergie did it with Park and O'SHea didn't he?He needs five more world-class players before his team can stick three passes together!
Is any one of you confident that under Ole we will come to develop a brand of football where other than results, we enjoy the football on a weekly basis. Fast football, where we create chances, there are recognizable patterns in our play whilst maintaining some defensive stability?
I can't see it happening unless we develop some superteam where we add Grealish, Sancho, Varane, Rice/Zakaria and Pogba stays, and these players stay fit.
I can't see it happening unless we develop some superteam where we add Grealish, Sancho, Varane, Rice/Zakaria and Pogba stays, and these players stay fit.
You know Milan also have injuries and are missing a lot of players, right ?
The football played is what worries me more than the result tonight, and it’s been creeping up as the seasons gone on. This is not some one off incident.
Even if we win playing like this and people make legit points about how awful we played, it’s shut down by people who say “shut the feck up, we won, why are you complaining you toxic fan. you have an agenda against ole!”
Even if we win playing like this and people make legit points about how awful we played, it’s shut down by people who say “shut the feck up, we won, why are you complaining you toxic fan. you have an agenda against ole!”
Don't bother about them. They'll always have their excuses.
Clearly the solution for Ole is to be given Sancho, Grealish and Haaland so we can start playing his tactics properly and stop playing like shit.
You asked a question whether fans would have taken 1-0 and the answer remains yes irrespective of whether Milan has injuries or not.
It's not about the results, it's about the lack of improvement from a coaching perspective. Having nothing to place your faith in. They keep bringing up results and overlooking the actual concerns people are having though.
Let's play their game and judge him on results though - over 2 years in and he's no closer to any trophy, let alone major ones. Correct me if im wrong, but Jose and LVG had won trophies and it still wasn't good enough for them to avoid the sack.
So the question remains, what exactly are we intent on keeping him around for? There are clearly coaches out there who play much more progressive football, there are coaches out there who are more results orientated too.
It honestly just seems like people are just so desperate for him to be the one due to the failed managerial appointments and that he's a United legend.
I've maintained im yet to see anything I can put my faith in. If a few good results a season against big boys was enough, we should have just kept Jose. At least he won trophies here and there too.
Yeah didn't think so.
Yes for you, you're talking about yourself only I believe ?
We were facing a very injury riddled Milan and they dominated us for the majority of the game. Yeah no, I honestly doubt everyone would have been cheerful here.
I have preferred Ole's recruitment and long term vision with youth much more than the other managers you mentioned.
It feels like he is at least sticking to United philosophies and planning a little bit longer term than other managers we have had. Maybe that means we need to give him more time than we did those others, for the long term vision?
However, he is learning on the job and his in game management leaves alot to be desired. Coaching maybe also, but I recall our teams dropping too deep when clinging on to leads or getting nervous at the end of games many times over the last 8 years.
Yeah I can only speak for myself. But there won't have been so much over reaction either had we 1-0.
Amazing logic! Ofcourse people will react to awful football when there’s not even a result to show for it, don’t you think? This is exactly why Jose was bad fit here, same with Ole. They haven’t got a scooby on how to coach a coherent attacking unit, unfortunately. Counter-attacking is the the most basic form of them all that doesn’t require much input from the coaching stuff.
Eh, I don't see it. LVG put huge emphasis on youth too, for example. Gave countless opportunities to players like Rashford, Depay, Martial, Lingard etc. making some of them the heart of the team. I do agree in some aspects though - he is planning long term and his recruitment, despite being hit and miss, has also given us a gem in Bruno. That being said, I just don't see the point in keeping him around when the football itself isn't improving. There is far too many teams with great players and money now for purely expecting a great squad to be enough. The coaching is very often the difference - especially with major trophies.
I just don't see the need when you have a manager like Nagelsmann, who has knocked us out of the CL - and is within 2 points of Bayern, genuinely competing for the Bundesliga with a far inferior squad, being available this summer potentially, for example. All whilst playing better football than us too.
He has by no means been a mistake and by no means is he a terrible manager. I'd argue he's got traits he is very good at, man management, improving the mood and demeanour of the squad etc. but I just don't think that's enough anymore, unfortunately.
Especially funny when you consider all of the snobby remarks about Serie A here constantly. The league is trash and yet Milan come to OT with lots of injuries and look so comfortable.
Comfortable? If Maguire wasn't a donkey this would've been an easy 2-0 win.
And james missing an open goal.
So true! Farmers league.. They looked the better side despite missing their best players.
A lot of drama queens in here as usual.
Too many subs in the end, we couldn’t make offensive subs as we didn’t have anyone on the bench and we wanted to rest players so took them off. Can understand why we did it, even though it didn’t work out.
We have a couple of injuries and our bench looks dire. But we already knew this.
Too many subs in the end, we couldn’t make offensive subs as we didn’t have anyone on the bench and we wanted to rest players so took them off. Can understand why we did it, even though it didn’t work out.
We have a couple of injuries and our bench looks dire. But we already knew this.
I’m struggling to understand our philosophy at the moment. I really don’t think that we start games with a clear plan/instructions. I honestly think that OGS sends them out in the pitch with a “come on lads, do your best”.
It’s true that former defenders when managers build defensive teams and former attackers offensive teams, but we look lost on the pitch at times, my sons Under 15 team looks far better organised and always with a clear game plan.
I really don’t think that he can inspire players.
It’s true that former defenders when managers build defensive teams and former attackers offensive teams, but we look lost on the pitch at times, my sons Under 15 team looks far better organised and always with a clear game plan.
I really don’t think that he can inspire players.
Ole continues to teeter around that most difficult threshold for us supporters to summarise and ultimately the powers that be to determine his future, i.e. not performing bad enough to get sacked but not good enough to win trophies. I feel the remainder of the season and ultimately winning silverware is essential to his ‘long term plan’ and future at United. Being in the top 4 should be a given for this club with the financial investment over recent years. I’m not holding my breath for trophies based on the current football (Man City result besides) but let’s at least see how the season finishes and reevaluate at the end of the season.
The poster asked whether fans would have been happy with 1-0. Ofcourse they would have been. My post was a response to his. Performance was poor and I don't see anyone saying otherwise.
He's doing a great job guys. Can't wait to give him a 5 year contract and a few hundred million to spend on quality like Maguire. And the football, so exciting and progressive.
Worrying that our football seems to have gotten worse the longer he’s been here...
Another shit on a stick performance to add to the tally this season. Too many games were I’m watching, thinking ‘what the feck do we do in training?!’
His game plan is solely counter attack/breaking quickly and if we don’t have the space to do that (which is most games), we look devoid of ideas - pass the ball from side to side at the back, followed by a hopeful hoof. Or hope Bruno does something.
Playing like this, as proven will just continue to provide the inconsistent results and unlikely to win a trophy... If Ole is to stay beyond this season, he must get a new assistant coach or two to implement fresh ideas - even if it’s just pass & move, it would be an improvement.
Another shit on a stick performance to add to the tally this season. Too many games were I’m watching, thinking ‘what the feck do we do in training?!’
His game plan is solely counter attack/breaking quickly and if we don’t have the space to do that (which is most games), we look devoid of ideas - pass the ball from side to side at the back, followed by a hopeful hoof. Or hope Bruno does something.
Playing like this, as proven will just continue to provide the inconsistent results and unlikely to win a trophy... If Ole is to stay beyond this season, he must get a new assistant coach or two to implement fresh ideas - even if it’s just pass & move, it would be an improvement.
Jesus Christ. Absolute drama queens, we played a good side in a tough European match, games like this often aren't pretty and often require us to dig in. We looked fantastic against the best team in Europe a couple of days ago yet we have know it alls in here banging on about patterns of play and deteriorating style of play. We had an off night, get over it.
Do you not think these sorts of performances happen a little too often though? Without that City result we wouldn’t have looked good in a match for quite a while.
These inconsistant performances are killing me. You literally don’t know what you’re gonna get from one game to the next. If only we could play high quality teams that attack us every week who we can hit on the counter. Moyes will be loving this when we play them on Sunday, he lives for making his sides hard to beat.
That's the point of beef.
At least my take on him and the team.
We just don't. We don't dig in.
Every game again and again we come out of that tunnel without any grit. We start games without purpose. We lose focus, shit, we don't even have a focus.... it's like they come out and they play some football.
With Fergie, you knew - if we're behind - last 20 mins all hell breaks out, and we get what we need - a goal in the 90', a win in the dying moments... anything. But you knew. The team knew. IT was BRANDED into them.
We lack tenacity. We lack grit. We lack leadership ON and OFF the field.
He makes rookie mistakes with changes.
And god knows we need more leaders ON the field.
But, everything starts with him.
Of course, I'd love to play like we did at city more often and not get stuck into these ugly battles as often but we're spread thin in one of the most challenging seasons there has ever been. We're sitting in second in the league, still in the FA cup after 2 tough draws and still in the EL. We need to get over the finish line and I'll take ugly wins and hard fought draws to get there.
I think it's very unfair to say we lack tenacity, we have that in spades. We do lack some leadership I feel definitely and we lack focus at times, the (wrongly) disallowed Kessie goal for example. But we certainly do dig in, it's something we're quite good at, as long as there aren't too many corners.
We could've won 3-0 and it still would've been anything but easy. Milan were by far the best team on the pitch tonight.
An off night? Let's not pretend we haven't stunk the place out many, many times this season already. We've all witnessed it. Even in games we won, there have been many where we have played awful. City played poorly against us by their standards, KDB giving us the ball more than I've ever seen. But we have been crap in pretty much every other big game this season. That City game/ result was more of an anomaly for us than tonight, as you are trying to make out.
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All our chances were against the run of play. Milan seemed to go up a gear after going behind too, once they got over a brief spell from us. Almost as though they wanted to play to keep it tight in a European away fixture, perhaps? You could see their manager instructing them to move up the pitch and not let us out, which is what happened. Hell if I saw Ole do that and the team respond, I think I'd fall out of my seat at this stage.
If they perform better than they did tonight when they get their first team back then we're out.
I did comment on the match thread after we scored that he looked glum in his seat. I have no faith in him at all but lots of people support him. The same as they did for Moyes.
You just don't expect him to turn a game for the better. I still don't think that he can believe his luck himself that he's managing United and will always have massive support no matter how dire the performances are pretty much. We start as we mean to go on. Against City at the weekend every single player was pressing and closing down spaces like wild animals. Tonight they honestly couldn't care less and this cycle is getting really tiresome.
Absolute garbage in game management yet again
7 shots to their 15. At home against Milan. Instead of hanging on to a few missed chances we really should expect to play games like these on the front foot.
Ole has done it again, great performance on and off the field one week next week bad to his bag s***. Completely outplayed, lucky to draw honestly. Thank God for Amad's performance and hopefully he can show some more positive signs before the season's end.
Football, whats that.
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