Individual impressions bought us to the top of the table and under Ole it is the way. We're don't play the ultimate form of this style so there's room for growth (the age of some of our best attackers points to a brighter future). The team approach is nicer to watch (as portrayed best by Liverpool) and is played at a higher form by Liverpool and City than we do our approach but I'm willing to give our approach a chance as it matures.
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Classic Regulus. You’ll be back to singing Ole’s name after a couple wins.
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Love it when people think they are better readers of a game than someone who has made a 25 year career out of it. Especially people who think in black and white. Impressive!
I’m singing his name now @Zen86, he’s done a cracking job after that extremely bumpy start.
He fecked up with Fred v. PSG though, he fecked up in Germany and he fecked up by doing nothing last night.
He’s not infallible and unlike some muppets here I’ll call it when he makes a mistake, he’s not fecking Jesus is he? Why is it such a struggle for you to state the obvious?
You sound like a cult.
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Yes Father, anyone who’s had a 25 year career in football is infallible
He fecked up, deal with it. It doesn’t make you Judas to admit it.
Dunno what's going on here but that's not my post you've quoted. That was a reply to me!
Yes. Although if that performance last night didn't worry you and it's just seen as our first loss since Nov 1st I guess we'll be ok. In my mind if we continue down the trajectory of conceding early goals and missing sitters at the other end things could go South very quickly. Hopefully that loss was a big wakeup call for certain issues to be finally addressed.
You seem to think the players are infallible, which is odd since it was them who half arsed their way through most of the game, failed to make simple passes and clearances, and showed a complete lack of urgency.
Sheffield United won the lottery with how shit we were last night.
Ole fecked up, DeGea fecked up, defence fecked up, Martial fecked up, Rashford fecked up. Everyone fecks up and sometimes the whole world is just fecked up.Yes Father, anyone who’s had a 25 year career in football is infallible
He fecked up, deal with it. It doesn’t make you Judas to admit it.
Is it possible to loose without having fecked things up? YES
erm, no I thought they were shite.
I thought Ole, Phelan and co. were shite for not changing out the shit.
See, I can call anyone.
agreed. There we go.
Classic Nou_Camp, everybody fair game for criticism except Ole. When we win it’s all him when we lose to the second worse side in the history of the 29 year running PL, it’s all on the players because you know, they’re all better players than sheff utd players or something.....
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It’s the reaction to the defeat that matters most you’re always going to lose matches at some point and sometimes for similar reasons but you go into the next game with fire and make the next team pay.
When we were knocked out what was the reaction in the immediate run in after?
D - Man City
W - Sheffield
W - Leeds
W - Everton
D - Leicester (should have won)
W - Wolves
W - Villa
L - Man City
W - Watford
W - Burnley
D - Liverpool
W - Fulham
W - Liverpool
L - Sheffield
9 Wins
3 Draws (against Man City, Leicester and Liverpool)
2 Losses
Not exactly a bad reaction in my book. I trust Ole to get the same again.
I do agree a change needed to be made sooner. Cavani should have been on for Martial.
Is all that needs to be said.
I think you all can get there in the end, it’s liberating. A management team can make mistakes whilst also doing a good job in the main. Last night and the lack of action from the bench was exactly that.
I think the constant rotation caught up with us but I don't think that should necessarily be a criticism as it's been working. It's kept the squad fresh considering the run of games but different partnerships in every area of the pitch each game is not ideal.
I mean, he's been here a considerable amount of time now and I can honestly say, apart from improving the quality of the personnel, I haven't seen much else. He's improved the mentality, seemed to get everyone back on board, but from an actual collective standpoint, I really don't think we're much better, if at all, since he joined. We still struggle against compact defences, our players continue to find themselves in congested situations due to a lack of movement and triangles from the rest of the team.
He's done well to get us where we are, but I'm confident he will never be able to get us to the next level - winning a CL or PL. At least, not whilst we have managers of the calibre of Klopp and Pep around
He's done well to get us where we are, but I'm confident he will never be able to get us to the next level - winning a CL or PL. At least, not whilst we have managers of the calibre of Klopp and Pep around
I wouldn’t criticise the starting 11 and the rotation, it was the right thing to do.
The criticism clearly comes from doing nothing about how poorly we played, utterly bizarre, we let a few players get away with 82-90 minutes putting in 1/10 performances.
It's been the right thing to do but I'm trying to fathom why every player was so bad. I'm not convinced bringing van de beek and Shaw on any earlier would have had that much effect there was so many bad performances.
It cant help us to produce consistent football having a new centre back, left side, right side and centre mid partnership every game.
No, but they sure are better than me and you..Especially the ones who has made it reading the game.. Calling out in hindsight is the easiest thing to do, and there are no way to prove it would have made any difference. That’s why I never do it. Doesn’t make any sense, and you look a bit unintelligent doing it.Yes Father, anyone who’s had a 25 year career in football is infallible
He fecked up, deal with it. It doesn’t make you Judas to admit it.
What I would like him to do is another thing, but I’m not stupid enough to think I know better. We where shit. There might be million reasons as to why. And I say again. WE where shit.
And btw. I’m not the one who can’t handle my emotions pointing blame after a defeat.I can take it and see a bigger picture. We go again.
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I have the suspicion under Ole our defenders will always be liable to look comical at times, and our forwards will always have the possibility of going on a drought.
I think we can all agree that he has performed well during his reign. His biggest plus is his man management which has resulted in Pogba coming back to form.
However i have two issues with him. Firstly i believe we have a very good team now and we should be expected to perform well and get the easy wins like every team. Not every match should be a battle where we concede early goals and have to come back, that is not sustainable. I don't know whether its the players who start slowly or his instructions are not clear but he has to put his foot down and ensure that we are not 1 nil down every twenty minutes in each match.
Secondly he is very slow to make changes, it has already cost us against PSG where he kept Fred on, similarly in matches he waits till 80 or sometimes 85 minutes to make changes, owing to which there is not enough time for the substitutes to make an impact.
On Wednesday he should have taken off Martial and Bruno as they were having one of those days where nothing goes for them around 60 minutes but he waited till 80 to bring VDB on. He has to proactively make decisions. I remember Fergie used to make changes at Half time when we were up against it. He still waits till 60 minutes to make a first change even if it is clearly not working.
However i have two issues with him. Firstly i believe we have a very good team now and we should be expected to perform well and get the easy wins like every team. Not every match should be a battle where we concede early goals and have to come back, that is not sustainable. I don't know whether its the players who start slowly or his instructions are not clear but he has to put his foot down and ensure that we are not 1 nil down every twenty minutes in each match.
Secondly he is very slow to make changes, it has already cost us against PSG where he kept Fred on, similarly in matches he waits till 80 or sometimes 85 minutes to make changes, owing to which there is not enough time for the substitutes to make an impact.
On Wednesday he should have taken off Martial and Bruno as they were having one of those days where nothing goes for them around 60 minutes but he waited till 80 to bring VDB on. He has to proactively make decisions. I remember Fergie used to make changes at Half time when we were up against it. He still waits till 60 minutes to make a first change even if it is clearly not working.
Thats crazy if true.
There really is something quite odd with the forum this season.
Calling it “hindsight” certainly makes you look unintelligent.
We were crap during the game, and some players had absolute horror shows, you don’t need hindsight to think that maybe, just maybe, taking out of few of the poor performers when you have such a strong bench might be better than doing.... well, nothing.
Calling it “hindsight” is especially unintelligent when you’ve already seen a link to posters screaming for changes earlier in real time. We lost, and we were extremely poor, that’s all the proof you need that earlier changes should have been attempted.
Unintelligent is sticking to a point (hindsight) when you’ve already been shown that hindsight had feck all to do with it.
If you want him howling on the sidelines and giving the players a bollocking, i dont think you will get that from him.
The obvious one he should have taken of was Martial, who delivered a genuine 1/10, but hes been poor for ages now and i think its pretty clear that Ole has tried to play him into form, the difference was that this time it really cost us
It doesn’t help to have new partnerships every game, you’re absolutely right.
You don’t need to be convinced that widespread changes earlier would definitely have helped, but with so many bad performances as you say, you simply had to try something, that’s what baffled me, as though Phelan, Ole and co. sat there thinking “we’re so bad, well, nothing we can do about that, let’s hope they turn it around”.
Frustrating as it felt like we just accepted it rather than actively trying to affect the result.
Ah well...
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We have been decent this season, the results have been very good, but our playing style does not seem to be sustainable. We rely on counter attacking but our off the ball movement is a big problem. Our defense, despite huge investments, is shaky and slow, which forces us to play with 2 DMs and a low block. We can not press high, as Maguire is as slow as feck, De Gea seems to be glued to his line, while Lindelof prefers to step back rather than be proactive (we need a Vidic). Quite often, when we are pressed while trying to play it out from the back, we either concede possession in dangerous areas or kick it up the pitch, which does not make much sense as we have no Drogba or Ibra there to win duel against a couple of defenders and bring others into play. Majority of our midfielders suck at keeping possession, as both Fred and McT are not top ball playing midfielders but have lots of energy and limited finesse. Pogba blows hot and cold and I still do not understand what his best and preferred positions are, Matic is past it, while Bruno is vulnerable to losing the ball as his main task is to create either for himself or for our forwards who are out of form and are not goal scoring machines like Batigol, RVN or Drogba. As we have no natural right sided attacker and AWB being limited offensively we look a tad one sided and predictable in our attacks. All in all, it seems to me that we are more reliant on our drive, morale and determination rather than class, which may take you somewhere but quite rarely. Leicester winning the Prem was a miracle, unfortunately, I do not see us doing it this time around. Nevertheless, everything is possible in football, so here's hoping I will be eating my words come end of the season laughing at Pool and City. But if I was to bet my life on the league's winners this season, it would be the noisy neighbors.
I don’t, absolutely not.
I give zero shits about managers pretending they have a massive effect by playing Billy big bollocks on the sidelines.
All I wanted was a few of the horror shows pulled earlier to give us and the bench a chance. And I’m clearly including Carrick and Phelan in my criticism here, I’m certain they have plenty of sway on deciding subs.
I’ve seen us play much better and still make 2-3 subs by the 60 minute mark because we’re down in a game, I’m certain I’ve never seen us play THAT poorly against such a poor side at home and make just 1 sub before the 82nd minute. Bizarre.
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Think you are right. That one is always a dilemma.
Moyes took over a Title winning team.. better team = sacked.
That's the black and white way of looking at it. We shouldn't have done as bad as we did but that team was on it's last legs in Fergie's last season. Apart from Evra, I don't think any played at the top level again (top club or competing for major trophies).
Well, your comment is quite black and white dont you think?
Frank Lampard signed better players... did he look better? No.
Well, you've just disproved yourself in that first paragraph, so there's little point in arguing further on that. I agree that we need to be doing a lot better in these sorts of games but up until Fulham it actually looked like there was a substantial improvement on this. Before that game we hadn't conceded the first goal in the league since the Sheff Utd away match which was over a month ago (we obviously conceded first against City in the Cup but I'd say the manner of that game was very different to the others).
Wednesday was a really bad day at the office and improvements simply have to be made but unless it's the start of a bad run, we shouldn't be thinking the sky is falling down or that one game is a damning indictment on the manager and the team. These are the same people who have shown their capacity to improve continuously over the course of the last 2 years, and they almost always learn from their mistakes.
That you can actually prove. The players didn’t turn up. And you can criticise Ole for picking them. But you can’t say anything about his lack of changes, other than a non factual opinion- we call hindsight. And if you think about it, when you read all the crap you and others post on the exact same thing in the match day thread. Ole actually gets it right more that most managers, and has the results to prove it. Having a bunch of kids screaming for changes doesn’t make it right. But I guess this goes just a little bit over your head, or I’m not explaining it right. Keep it loud and negative mate! Club need more fans like you
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Think this thing with changes is a way to beat Ole. At the moment, because we are closer to the top, no one can actually say Ole out so the next best thing is saying we don't make chances early enough.
Most managers, give the team 10/15 mins after half time to see if they get a reaction, we did start the second half better and got the equaliser. We made the change to bring Cavani on.
How many games, if we listened to the Caf would we have lost? Alot of Caf members would have substituted Rashford V Southampton, Burnley and Wolves.
So when one time it doesn't work, blame the changes. Its the only way to beat the manager. I am not saying he is a special manager but we need to put it into context.
Speak to Liverpool fans and they have said the same re Klopp - but this conveniently gets ignored by the people who make these arguments against Ole.
I agree with you on this one. I'm not fussed generally about timing or use of subs because the people making those decisions have a ton of data available that we don't.
However, all things being equal that was the first game I can recall really thinking we should be changing things up at half time. He did it at half time against West Ham, and this first half performance was just as poor. Can only assume he had one eye on the Arsenal game and thought that lot could turn it around - which we probably would have apart from the ridiculous second goal.
Actually, I have mates who are Liverpool fans and they have continuously said, its a blip, we will be fine.
They know even with a blip, in big games their players will turn up, which is not what can be said about our team.
No, no I mean the waiting too long to make substitutions thing, haha
Oh yeah, I agree. I remember a time when Liverpool were just starting to peak and those fans were saying, Jurgen doesnt make changes, he's too stubborn etc... now its In Jurgen we trust.
It's ridiculous, really. It's gotten to the point where I now recognise usernames in threads that have absolutely nothing to do with Ole and still think to myself: "oh, he's that Ole out poster"
I don't know who annoys me more: the snakes who play down their Ole out posting and try to act reasonable when things are going well only to instantly revert to old habits the moment we drop points, or posters like Amadeus and Mainaldo who are consistently in-your-face obnoxious.
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