Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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The only reason we're getting top 4 this season is thanks to Leicester being dog shite after the restart. Max points we'll get this season will 66, same as last season when we finished 6th.

Honestly can't believe some were convincing us that Leicester had better squad than us. :lol:

Ole has done very well ever since the restart but he has run some players into the ground and repeating this next season is going to end with us having another tough top 4 challenge.
 
His in game management was absolutely shocking today. Atrocious. Matić had to go out, Rashford 85th minute. Ok you don't trust your bench. But to the point of not giving them a chance when the 1st team is playing like that?
 
Based Adnan said:
I back Ole but thought his game management was a disgrace today.

There's no way you're telling me some of the options on the bench could have done worse than some of the players on the pitch. They would have been fresh for starters which is an instant upgrade.
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Have you watched the rest of our matches when he brought those players on?

Did the intensity or frequency of chance creation go up or down?
 
He's going to lose the dressing room in no time at this rate.

Exhausted players being run into the ground and no adequate level of rotation and substitutions in the game.
 
That was one awful game management. He has to improve a lot. One cannot defend this performance.
 
Withnail said:
Have you watched the rest of our matches when he brought those players on?

Did the intensity or frequency of chance creation go up or down?
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Well it couldn't have gone down could it?

And if it didn't go up, at least we'd be giving our first teamers a rest.
 
Just piss poor tactics and game management week in week out. Completely reliant on our knackered star players to bail him out. He must be shown the door if Leicester beat us on Sunday.
 
Was all pretty clear from the start. His pathetic Chelsea management made sure none of the players were fresh today. Well done

He is so naive
 
Classical Mechanic said:
This is the major issue now. Going into a crunch game totally gassed. He waited until the 80th to sub Rashford too FFS.
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He's been at it for a while. Chelsea was the final straw for me, Matic and Bruno played 90 minutes ffs. He's got a lot to learn before we can think about challenging for any titles.
 
I’m not sure I understand the “run players into the ground”
Our back ups are terrible, I don’t think we’d be where we are if we’d played lingard mata periera.

and every team is surely in the same boat? Are other teams not just as tired, seems too easy to say that.
 
Front runner that looks hapless when things start going wrong. Absolutely good enough to manage in the PL but not this club. With a strong squad with more depth we’re looking at a ceiling of a comfortable top 4 finish, but his biggest shortcoming is the very thing that title winning managers need to be able to do. He won’t be sacked if we finish outside the top 4 and don’t win the EL, but he’s not good enough for United.
 
He’s messed this up himself. Ighalo, Fred and McTominay could have came in from the beginning against West Ham and I guarantee you we would have done no worse.
 
Might get slated for this but I just don't believe in him as anything more than a midtable manager to be honest. He's been here long enough and we've never looked like a well coached team under him. His game management is non-existent and he's proven that again and again by being incredibly passive. When has he ever made a proactive sub? People will point to our depth and say there's nothing there, but when players are just looking completely dead on their feet or putting in genuinely abysmal performances surely you have to do something. He just never does or leaves it far too late. Where do people expect we go under him? Will he suddenly develop these managerial qualities that he's never displayed even a hint of?

Everything we've seen of him so far suggests that a manager like Pochettino, despite his ultimate failure at Tottenham and his lack of silverware, is a far superior manager who'd be able to take this club a lot further, if perhaps not completely to where we need to be.
 
SirScholes said:
I’m not sure I understand the “run players into the ground”
Our back ups are terrible, I don’t think we’d be where we are if we’d played lingard mata periera.

and every team is surely in the same boat? Are other teams not just as tired, seems too easy to say that.
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Bruno and Pogba were garbage tonight. We would have been better with Fred and Pereira in there actually running about for the last half hour.
 
el3mel said:
The only reason we're getting top 4 this season is thanks to Leicester being dog shite after the restart. Max points we'll get this season will 66, same as last season when we finished 6th.

Honestly can't believe some were convincing us that Leicester had better squad than us. :lol:

Ole has done very well ever since the restart but he has run some players into the ground and repeating this next season is going to end with us having another tough top 4 challenge.
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I havent checked but whats the schedule like for the start of next season? As bad as this or back to normal?

Lets be real, none of us thought we'd get Top 4 at Christmas so if we do get it then yes it's down to Leicesters collapse but we've also been very good on the whole since Christmas. It's a mixture of us being very good and Leicester being very bad. We're all assuming Chelsea will get Top 4, they could easily lose their last 2 games for what its worth.
 
Withnail said:
Have you watched the rest of our matches when he brought those players on?

Did the intensity or frequency of chance creation go up or down?
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You mean when the games were over and he brought new players on at the 80 minute mark?
 
SirScholes said:
I’m not sure I understand the “run players into the ground”
Our back ups are terrible, I don’t think we’d be where we are if we’d played lingard mata periera.

and every team is surely in the same boat? Are other teams not just as tired, seems too easy to say that.
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We started the same team every game for 5/6 games and Ole's subs are weird.

He's definitely messed up rotation wise. In games where we were comfortable (games like Aston Villa, Sheffield, Bournemouth) we should have subbed on more players. I agree our subs are poor. But Ighalo, McTominay, Fred, Mata, James aren't going to come on the 60th minute and lose us a game when we're 2/3 goals up. They might not score but we wouldn't have needed them to.
 
SirScholes said:
I’m not sure I understand the “run players into the ground”
Our back ups are terrible, I don’t think we’d be where we are if we’d played lingard mata periera.

and every team is surely in the same boat? Are other teams not just as tired, seems too easy to say that.
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No way both Pogba and Bruno should play every game. One of them should play one and rest the other and vice verse in some easy ones.
 
He's not an actual manager. God knows who would hire him if we sacked him tomorrow morning.
 
Annihilate Now! said:
Well it couldn't have gone down could it?

And if it didn't go up, at least we'd be giving our first teamers a rest.
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It did in every other match so I don't know why today would be any different.

He probably could have managed the squad better over this run of games but we're going into the final game needing not to lose to get top 4.

Wouldn't you have taken that at the restart, given where we were?
 
He has been the manager for a while now, and we still don't have a football style. We get outclassed on the ball by much lesser teams time and time again.

It's only by some individual quality effort that we end up getting points.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
Bruno and Pogba were garbage tonight. We would have been better with Fred and Pereira in there actually running about for the last half hour.
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Exactly... I honestly don't see how people could think we could be worse then that with fresh legs.

People are also acting like Fred and McT didn't carry our midfield for like half a season.

Our midfielders were literally just standing around at various points tonight's...how could it have been worse?
 
Nah, I don't buy the idea that our squad is terrible. Is everyone forgetting McTominay, Ighalo and Fred played large parts of our unbeaten run? They don't just suddenly turn to shit. Fecking use your subs - if not for the very least of saving your first XI's energy.
 
Why is his in game management so bad? We look absolutely knackered and his subs are one at half time for a booked player and another with 10 minutes to go. His lack of rotation in previous games was always going to catch up with us and looks like it might end up costing us.
 
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The loop has started, we will see poor performances from now on until something changes the morale? maybe Sancho arriving?

Thats the way we operate under Solksjaer just purple patches.
 
He's done well in recent times but I'm not convinced he has the potential to be a top class manager.
 
Withnail said:
It did in every other match so I don't know why today would be any different.

He probably could have managed the squad better over this run of games but we're going into the final game needing not to lose to get top 4.

Wouldn't you have taken that at the restart, given where we were?
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Well considering we didn't create anything after we scored... It would literally be impossible for our chance creation to have gone down.

The only chance we did make came after we actually made a sub!

I obviously would have taken where we are... But its fair to see we could have also got to this and position without our first team looking compeltely knackered. Only Mason looked a bit lively tonight... And coincidentally he's also had the most rest out of anyone
 
SirScholes said:
I’m not sure I understand the “run players into the ground”
Our back ups are terrible, I don’t think we’d be where we are if we’d played lingard mata periera.

and every team is surely in the same boat? Are other teams not just as tired, seems too easy to say that.
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More than half this forum expected wholesale changes against Chelsea yet a few starters started that match. That was his chance to give them a long break
 
Anyway I think his overall signings and the very good form we showed before Saints draw deserves a second season. No way he should be sacked now.

However, I also don't think the board will be very patient if it ends up being another top 4 fight next season. He has spent about 190m so far and all on very good players, deserves credit for his choices and all and next season his overall spending will break the 200m line and he'll absolutely need to deliver.
 
can't for the life of me understand why he took so long to make changes

we've got 5 subs and the team looks completely gassed
 
Tarrou said:
can't for the life of me understand why he took so long to make changes

we've got 5 subs and the team looks completely gassed
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Because our bench is terrible perhaps? He clearly doesn’t trust many of the players there and I don’t blame him, as I wouldn’t either.
 
3KDré said:
We started the same team every game for 5/6 games and Ole's subs are weird.

He's definitely messed up rotation wise. In games where we were comfortable (games like Aston Villa, Sheffield, Bournemouth) we should have subbed on more players. I agree our subs are poor. But Ighalo, McTominay, Fred, Mata, James aren't going to come on the 60th minute and lose us a game when we're 2/3 goals up. They might not score but we wouldn't have needed them to.
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I’d have to check when those subs happened but I fairly sure he did make them and the rest of the game being awful
The subs haven’t done anything to inspire confidence in starting them
 
I think most of us would have taken 3rd with a game to go at the start of the season with the team below us still having Liverpool and Wolves to play. And Oles done great with the atmosphere around the team and giving certain players a platform to perform but my god his game management is amateur level.

If he was Lampard or Arteta in their first year of management I’d understand but he’s not. He should be better at this by now. We’re not talking about trying to change a game against Chelsea in an FA Cup semi final, we’re talking about at home to West Ham with David Moyes in charge.
I don’t ever recall a David Moyes team controlling a game to the extent West Ham were in that second half. How players like Matic, Pogba and Rashford weren’t hauled off by the hour I don’t know. Anytime we’re on the ropes in a game he never knows or does anything to change it and it’s a massive concern because that’s the difference at the top end of management.
 
PoTMS said:
Nah, I don't buy the idea that our squad is terrible. Is everyone forgetting McTominay, Ighalo and Fred played large parts of our unbeaten run? They don't just suddenly turn to shit. Fecking use your subs - if not for the very least of saving your first XI's energy.
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Even if our squad depth is weak - and I agree with those who say it is, opposition teams regularly sub on significantly worse players than some on our bench and those players still manage to have a positive impact on games with their energy. A fresh 6/10 or 7/10 player is still a much better proposition than a completely knackered or underperforming 9/10 player. Yeah the underperforming star might still make the odd winning contribution but when you consistently seem to treat pretty much all first 11 players like that, it's really not going to work.
 
el3mel said:
No way both Pogba and Bruno should play every game. One of them should play one and rest the other and vice verse in some easy ones.
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When it’s all or nothing? I’m not so sure
But like I said are arsenal Chelsea city not starting their best players every game
 
Lets hope we make it to the CL and then we get Pochetinno. Our problem is either Ole or Pogba. Ole is easier to replace.
 
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