Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Hawks2008]

Honestly Ole is forcing Young and Jones on himself. Jones had already been phased out. You get the feeling he wants to feature a British core

Agreed it does feel like that when guys like Rashford, Young, Lingard, Jones can stink out the place without fear of being dropped and rumours of a preference for signing young and English in the coming window.

 

[el3mel]

Except that wasnt the point I was making when you quoted me

You said us being outrun was improved under Ole and the stat says otherwise, that we got outrun in all bar 2 of his games not just recently.

 

[JohnnyKills]

Turning into our very own Brendan Rodgers. We've all been guilty of lapping up the United way rhethoric and cliches he's be reeling out but at the end of the day football is played on the pitch and not in press conferences.

I'm not saying Ole out but the truth is this was always going to be a long shot. Ole seems to have gone into the job to recreate the United of old which in theory is a good thing but Solskjaer is not SAF. If LVG and Mourinho failed, then Ole has the potential to make his tenure here the worst shit show imaginable.

Speak for yourself mate.

 

[SteveW]

If you dont seen the difference in tact ial setuo between Oles first block of games and after the injuries then fine. But its clear there is a difference

It's been obvious for weeks. Not helped by the fact that every team weve played for the last 3 weeks has had at least 2 days more rest between games. It's been an accumulation.

Either that or all the players just suddenly decided to stop trying after making the CL seni final and getting in touch of top 4.

 

[Cassidy]

As far as I'm concerned the one who claims something brings it. We have the stat posted today. We claimed there was a different stat. Feels logical for me to bring it yourself to discuss.

I said 2 things.
1 that it was always the case that our opponents outrun us us before Ole
2. That our running improved under Ole at first then dropped off after injuries

I didnt say that we outran our opponents I specifically said out running improved. Those stats have already been posted plenty of times.

After a spate of injuries our running has again regressed.

 

[Kapardin]

Agreed it does feel like that when guys like Rashford, Young, Lingard, Jones can stink out the place without fear of being dropped and rumours of a preference for signing young and English in the coming window.

Apart from Sancho, Kane and Sterling, there isn't any British player worthy of playing for us. And 2 of them are ungettable, while Sancho also is likely to reject Europa league footy with us next season.

 

[Cassidy]

You said us being outrun was improved under Ole and the stat says otherwise, that we got outrun in all bar 2 of his games not just recently.

This is my point. The stat doesnt say otherwise is says nothing about what happened before him

 

[united for life]

Still the right choice. It’s not his fault. It’s not something that can be fixed in 3-4 months; rebuilding this squad needs 2-3 transfer windows. He said clearly today that there are players who will not be around next year because they are not hard working.

We have a huge problem. Our defense is terrible (de gea is bad too now). Our “talented” players are lazy. Pogba, martial, lukaku. All lazy, they don’t play fot the shirt. Matic is slow.

Solskjaer remains the right man for the job as he understands the problem and understands what this club is all about.

He has a plan to give youngsters a chance. I trust him

 

[TsuWave]

at Madrid we would have had a "comunicado oficial" by now

 

[el3mel]

I said 2 things.
1 that it was always the case that our opponents outrun us us before Ole
2. That our running improved under Ole at first then dropped off after injuries

I didnt say that we outran our opponents I specifically said out running improved. Those stats have already been posted plenty of times.

After a spate of injuries our running has again regressed.

1- Agree on it.
2-Stat posted today showing otherwise as I mentioned, that it was in all bar 2 of his games not just recently.

So if 2 managers got the same problem especially when they both talk a lot about work rate then it's the players being lazy rather than instructions for me. Feel free to feel otherwise.

 

[Cassidy]

1- Agree on it.
2-Stat posted today showing otherwise as I mentioned, that it was in all bar 2 of his games not just recently.

So if 2 managers got the same problem especially when they both talk a lot about work rate then it's the players being lazy rather than instructions for me. Feel free to feel otherwise.

Stat posted today does no comparison to the past and so again you are making things up

 

[Bestofthebest]

Moyes, LVG, Mourhinho even Ferguson could not do anything with this squad. Too many of them are simply not good enough footballers and/or lazy sods, some have their heads up their rear ends, some are past it and a few would just about be able to hold their own in a top four team. However, non of this is Ole's fault so we need to give him a chance to get his own players in and see how he performs then. You cannot sack a guy after only appointing him a couple of weeks ago and you still have no idea how any other manager would have coped, especially with this squad. If I was Ole I would see how I was backed in the summer and if I didn't get most of what I wanted I would walk.

Whatever happens I am sure any manager you care to name would not make this squad into a title challenging side and every season we chop and change the manager just makes things harder.

 

[Cheesy]

Still the right choice. It’s not his fault. It’s not something that can be fixed in 3-4 months; rebuilding this squad needs 2-3 transfer windows. He said clearly today that there are players who will not be around next year because they are not hard working.

We have a huge problem. Our defense is terrible (de gea is bad too now). Our “talented” players are lazy. Pogba, martial, lukaku. All lazy, they don’t play fot the shirt. Matic is slow.

Solskjaer remains the right man for the job as he understands the problem and understands what this club is all about.

He has a plan to give youngsters a chance. I trust him

What are we actually basing this on though? Fans understand what the club is about. But most of said fans would obviously not be right to manage the club. Understanding what's wrong isn't necessarily enough. Again - most fans know what's wrong.

 

[SteveW]

Ole is the right choice but he needs a transfer window and a preseason. People need to cut the hysterics. Its embarrassing

 

[el3mel]

Stat posted today does no comparison to the past and so again you are making things up

It does show that this issue hasn't been solved. We aren't running more under Ole than under Mourinho, still getting outrun by everyone. I'm sorry to say but you're the one making things up based on absolutely nothing and contradicting the stats posted, so it's your problem I believe.

 

[liamp]

What are we actually basing this on though? Fans understand what the club is about. But most of said fans would obviously not be right to manage the club. Understanding what's wrong isn't necessarily enough. Again - most fans know what's wrong.

It's based on some combination of cronyism and blind faith.

 

[Acole9]

The "United way" idea needs to go straight in the bin. It's an outdated approach.

 

[Cheesy]

Ole is the right choice but he needs a transfer window and a preseason. People need to cut the hysterics. Its embarrassing

Based on what?

 

[Hawks2008]

Apart from Sancho, Kane and Sterling, there isn't any British player worthy of playing for us. And 2 of them are ungettable, while Sancho also is likely to reject Europa league footy with us next season.

Nah but it's okay bro because we're going to sign Rice and Wan-Bissaka and play them as part of a defensive unit with Smalling Jones and Young and then still wonder why we can't play with the ball in deeper areas.

 

[Cassidy]

It does show that this issue hasn't been solved. We aren't running more under Ole than under Mourinho, still getting outrun by everyone. I'm sorry to say but you're the one making things up based on absolutely nothing and contradicting the stats posted, so it's your problem I believe.

Again it cannot show this if it doesn't reference stats about the past, its very simple

 

[Red Dreams]

Still the right choice. It’s not his fault. It’s not something that can be fixed in 3-4 months; rebuilding this squad needs 2-3 transfer windows. He said clearly today that there are players who will not be around next year because they are not hard working.

We have a huge problem. Our defense is terrible (de gea is bad too now). Our “talented” players are lazy. Pogba, martial, lukaku. All lazy, they don’t play fot the shirt. Matic is slow.

Solskjaer remains the right man for the job as he understands the problem and understands what this club is all about.

He has a plan to give youngsters a chance. I trust him

Said before. This half of the season is part of the pre-season.
Our fitness improved and then all those injuries at the Liverpool match. We never recovered.

Clearly De Gea and Pogba don't want to be here.
Several others are simply not good enough.

Ole will blend in Youth players and players he brings in. Perhaps as many as 5.
You can be sure none of them will be Huge names/prima donnas.

Ole has made mistakes.

But even when we were going so well, it was clear we had a huge gap in the squad below the first 11.

Finally. We have missed Ander so much.
Shame he probably is gone.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I think the point is that anyone can work hard, whereas we have some people in the team that can't pass or control the ball better. Of course they need replacing but the players who can do something that would benefit the team but decide not to due to apathy should be the first on the chopping block.

Likewise our midfield is objectively better the Liverpool's but is much worse in reality due to a complete lack of work ethic. The fact that Henderson-Milner-Wijnaldum is better than Matic-Pogba-Fred is quite embarrassing given the difference in raw ability.

Agreed. I guess it's a combination of many things. For example we keep considering Pogba part of our midfield names but he doesn't win you any midfield duals. He adds the flair but he simply isn't the engine. So we're left with Matic and Fred right now. That's our engine room in midfield.

I think they are a tired squad. Suddenly switching from zombie football to high press football wasnt sustainable. When players are tired their football goes to shit.

When did they actually play that high press football?

 

[SteveW]

Based on what?

The football they played before they hit the wall and got a heap of injuries. Going from 12 points off top 4 to on the brink of top 4.

As I said already the squad he took over wasnt fit enough to sustain a pressing game. After a couple months they started dropping like flies. Preseason and signings will be geared for the football he wants to play.

 

[SteveW]

When did they actually play that high press football?

You're being disingenuous. They pressed hard in the first few weeks then it dropped off as the injuries started to pile up.

Ole and the players have made countless references to the change in approach and the challenges of trying to do it in midseason.

 

[RussellWilson]

Can see us losing the next 2 games at least. Really silly to give him the permanent job when we'd not seen a dip yet to see what he can do to turn the tide. Hasn't shown anything to show he can yet. Of course the players are at fault and aren't good enough but have we really seen any improvement in the team bar the better results? We still look clueless in and out of possession.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

You're being disingenuous. They pressed hard in the first few weeks then it dropped off as the injuries started to pile up.

Ole and the players have made countless references to the change in approach and the challenges of trying to do it in midseason.

We only played a high press in the first few games. During the majority of Ole's team it's been a half press i.e pressure in your half. Less cautious than Mourinho but not a proper full press, nor possession football as also alluded to. We've been playing direct counter attacking football with a very light/not very aggresive press off the ball. Maybe we've been running more than under Mourinho. That I wouldn't surprised with given we sat back far too much under Jose and we're one of the least hard working teams around.

 

[Patrick08]

Ole got is wrong with the lineup and formation today. We had just one think to play for and we should play pogba at 10 to bail us out with 2 sitting midfielders behind him. 433 in the middle with 3 midfielders poor without the ball was a disaster waiting to happen against hardworking Everton.

 

[RedRotorhead]

The players were rested under Jose, now they've worked a bit, so they're worn out.

Their legs tells them please no CL games next season.

But seriously, it's an injury and attitude problem. Pogba has totally lost interest cause he is more worried about his contract, so let him move on this summer.

 

[MisterLupus]

Looked to me as if Solskjær had a chat with Jose midway through the first period and got some advice on how to look unimpressed. I've seen that gaze before - but never on Ole.

Seriously... That was painful for anyone associated with this club to watch. I think this will be our most important off-season in decades. And what's frustrating is that I'm pretty sure some of the players who simply aren't delivering per now - will suddenly turn to gold once offloaded. Because a lot of what I've seen during our collapses isn't related to lack of skill - but rather a complete lack of heart.

 

[Pexbo]

Quotes have probably been posted so apologies if they have but this is good to see from Solskjaer.

One more bit of positivity I am going to take from him is perhaps his biggest fault according to most - his insistence of bringing Young on.

For me that shows his value of that type of fullback. He might be shit but he’s about all we have in terms of attacking full back with Shaw out. He clearly wants that style of player pushing up and contributing in attack. He’s shit, yes, so save your replies reminding me of that and how little he offers. Ole isn’t going to be completely blind to that and I really believe it’s going to be one of the first position he addresses and he’s going to want to sign a fullback who contributes consistently in attack.

 

[Celoti23-81]

The "United way" idea needs to go straight in the bin. It's an outdated approach.

Exactly. T

Said before. This half of the season is part of the pre-season.
Our fitness improved and then all those injuries at the Liverpool match. We never recovered.

Clearly De Gea and Pogba don't want to be here.
Several others are simply not good enough.

Ole will blend in Youth players and players he brings in. Perhaps as many as 5.
You can be sure none of them will be Huge names/prima donnas.

Ole has made mistakes.

But even when we were going so well, it was clear we had a huge gap in the squad below the first 11.

Finally. We have missed Ander so much.
Shame he probably is gone.

I'm confused, is OGS doing it the United way or the liverpool/city way? Cause if I remember rightly, SAF's sides didn't really do the high press thing! 9 times out of ten, SAF's teams dominated the ball and used the counter to great perfection in transition.

And there is no excuse, tired or not to have 10 of our outfield players defending a corner. How can you counter in that way.

 

[SteveW]

We only played a high press in the first few games. During the majority of Ole's team it's been a half press i.e pressure in your half. Less cautious than Mourinho but not a proper full press, nor possession football as also alluded to. We've been playing direct counter attacking football with a very light/not very aggresive press off the ball. Maybe we've been running more than under Mourinho. That I wouldn't surprised with given we sat back far too much under Jose and we're one of the least hard working teams around.

And Ole has said he wants to have the fittest team in the league. That's what his football will be built on. It's fair to say he hasn't had a chance to make that happen yet. Hence the need for preseason and a transfer window before attacking him.

All we've seen so far is him trying to rescue a season with the least fit team in the league. And since he's took over we've still outperformed everyone barring the top 2. We've also knocked Sours, Arsenal and PSG out of cup competitions.

He's done a fantastic job but they have run out of steam.

 

[Roboc7]

6 years of terrible recruitment, awful management and outdated negative tactics is going to take years to reverse.

I suspect Ole might not be up to the job and/or will lack the support to be a success but this is our level now. If him and the board aren’t pushing the reset button and rebuilding over 2-3 years they’ve already failed.

The teams that finish 4th-6th are like this, the best teams don’t get regularly out played or out fought. We are the same level as Arsenal now.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

And Ole has said he wants to have the fittest team in the league. That's what his football will be built on. It's fair to say he hasn't had a chance to make that happen yet. Hence the need for preseason and a transfer window before attacking him.

All we've seen so far is him trying to rescue a season with the least fit team in the league. And since he's took over we've still outperformed everyone barring the top 2. We've also knocked Sours, Arsenal and PSG out of cup competitions.

He's done a fantastic job but they have run out of steam.

He definitely deserves to make a proper fist of things.

But like I said I hope his focus isn't entirely on hard work. We seriously need to improve on the technical quality of our football as well. But if he does improve this aspect, it would in itself have a fairly big impact.

 

[The Nani]

Time for OGS to show some ruthlessness.

Matic and Young should never take the pitch for us again.

Greenwood needs to be in the first team now.

 

[glazed]

We need a DoF. Otherwise it's just a case of over-worked manager buying players for short term relief from the threat of the sack, rinse and repeat.

 

[Devil may care]

Second tweet contains what needs to be said, and the board needs to let him get rid of who he feels can't cut it and lack the mentality to be at United, I don't give a shit if we take a big loss on some of these players, just get them out of the club, pay the ransom to get rid of them.

 

[Cantonaaa!]

I'm getting fed up with these players. Wish we would just play something like this from now on

-----------------Romero----------
Dalot Smalling Lindelöf Shaw
McTominay Gomez Pogba
Rashford Greenwood Sanchez/Chong

The likes of Young, Martial, Lukaku, Matic, Lingard are not good enough or not trying hard enough imo.

 

[SteveW]

 

[The Nani]

Second tweet contains what needs to be said, and the board needs to let him get rid of who he feels can't cut it and lack the mentality to be at United, I don't give a shit if we take a big loss on some of these players, just get them out of the club, pay the ransom to get rid of them.

I’m actually more worried about this aspect than our purchases.