Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

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killerboi2 said:
Wait until Ole gets his own players in. I'm still convinced that the form we showed under Ole earlier this season is the real Ole.
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He still has the same players that showed that form. Maybe that was just the real players?
 
Mcking said:
You do know this is not the same squad Moyes had?
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Yes I’m fully aware. I’d argue the ones that are still there since his time are the few that actually try and give a damn. Managers aren’t the issue here it’s players signing on for money and social media followers who don’t put their all in
 
LJJT said:
Yes I’m fully aware. I’d argue the ones that are still there since his time are the few that actually try and give a damn. Managers aren’t the issue here it’s players signing on for money and social media followers who don’t put their all in
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Funny other teams has no such problem. Are you trying to tell me that the whole players in the Spurs squad for eg all give a damn while the whole players in our own squad are only there for the money? You could make a case for players of poor quality if it was a few players, but you can't tell me that all our players don't care for some reason.
 
Players will want to come to United if we offer them good money. A player in his career sees more than one managers at a club. And a club like us can bring top managers if one fails. So that is least of an issue. Second, CL slot is again not a factor these days to attract big players. Money talks, walks and makes you sign.

Issue is bringing right talent. This is the massive failure for last 4-5 years. A 4-5 years timeframe is where a club builds completely new team. Unwanted players are phased out in these 4-5 years and you see a new team challenging the titiles. We failed. Now what? We probably need another 3-4 years to build. This is a massive set back. But that's fine. We are where we are. Lets not cry over it too much since there is hardly anything can be done about it now.

We have Ole. I still believe he can be a good manager to rebuild this team. But he needs to let his footballing brain talking than his Man Utd heart. Sometimes I feel he is taking emotional decision than footballing decisions. Lets wait and see how he reacts once his reputation starts getting tarnished. This will be do or die for his career.

For the players I am optimistic.
1. We are one good signing away to fix defense
2. We have McT and Fred coming up the ranks with Pogba (if he stays). Here we just need one creative midfielder who can unlock the defense.
3. We needed a right winger for a long time. The position that was overlooked in each transfer window. Get this and sort out the flank
4. We have too too many forwards for the same position. This is transfer mistake. I think we need to keep Lukaku and Rashford and let Martial go. Not because he is really bad (he is) but this is not working. We should be fine with remaining two if we sort out one midfield and one RW position.

There you are. Not a bad situation. It becomes a bad situation if we do bad business again in summer transfer.

Now, for transfer window, I don't think we will get superstar in each of the above position. We should be wise and do not hesitate to hedge our bet on relatively unknown but promising player. It should be fine. I have hopes.
 
Mcking said:
Funny other teams has no such problem. Are you trying to tell me that the whole players in the Spurs squad for eg all give a damn while the whole players in our own squad are only there for the money? You could make a case for players of poor quality if it was a few players, but you can't tell me that all our players don't care for some reason.
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Who we getting as manager then? Pep? No. Poch? No. Who else is there out there that’s better than lvg was, better than mourinho was? The whole things rotten- players come to us for the money not the pride in the shirt. Ole above most people can restore that cos he had it and the fans shouldn’t turn on him
 
Lots of tactical work needed with our team. We are far behind the best sides. When the effort is low for some reason like today we can look so bad.
 
Just saw his post match interview with Sky, looks a broken man already
 
The point of appointing Solskjær was to get a manager that would have the full backing of the supporter. One we wouldn't turn on. That's pretty much the first thing the majority of the supports do.

Our players are rotten. Some are admitted very talented but at the same time extremely spoiled. Rest of the bunch are pretty mediocre. We need a hard rebuild.
 
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Samid said:


Time for the baby faced assassin to live up to his name.
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If he doesn’t know then he and the club need to stop with this bollocks about he can’t sign 6 players and get rid of 6 players. He’d be here with the same problems come next year and they’d screw him again. Either be ruthless or go down with them.
 
kouroux said:
I just have one simple question. Why does Ole keep letting Rashford take those FKs ?
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He's local and he's going to be world class.

Seriously though, don't see a point blaming Ole anymore. He's got the job and so we need to back him. Atleast need to ensure a good summer.
 
Samid said:


Time for the baby faced assassin to live up to his name.
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He's done for at this club. That sort of answer comes from a man that has realised the mess he is in.

I can be confident in saying that there is a huge difference between the situation Ole thought he was going to be in and the situation he is actually in. He thought that because of his time at United there was no way that players could not play for the badge, but the vast majority don't give a feck about the club and just care about money.
 
Samid said:
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Exciting times... not.

A preseason won't make up for being tactically inferior to managers like Nuno Santos and Marco Silva.

Solskjaer isn't PL quality, he was relegated with Cardiff and since then no PL clubs have shown any interest in him.

A leggy team with good tactics are still decent to watch, even if they lose.

Olé has no clue how to impose dominant, 'big club' tactics onto a game at this level - he sat there today and did nothing, he had absolutely no ideas how to even try and change the balance of the game.

The club should act now and bring in a manager worthy of this massive job - let Solskjaer go, and preserve his great legend as a player.

He isn't a good enough manager, and it's crystal clear.
 
Samid said:
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If his only diagnosis of our problems is a lack of fitness he'll struggle. Maybe when we don't have the ball but when we have it a lack of running and speed isn't why we're bad in possession.

We don't need preseason to start implementing pass and move
 
Right, it’s becoming clear that we'll end up having to sack Solskjaer sooner or later, so do we just cut out losses and get rid at the end of the season and almost forget the permanent appointment never happened? The pay off would be small in the scheme of things. Then go all out for Poch.

I know the Board probably wouldn’t swallow their pride but in hindsight this will probably prove to be a good move.
 
fallengt said:
Huh? Players just forget how to run mid season and need whole pre-season to reboot?
Is that a thing?
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I presume there's a different fitness needed for a team that sits off and isn't often rotated to a team that wants to press and move more off the ball. I'm not sure you can work on that midway through a campaign. Even when we were playing well we often dropped off after an hour and then we started getting a lot of injuries, it is similar to when Klopp came in at Liverpool so I would be hopeful that would be rectified for next season. That being said Klopp is one of the best managers in the world, if not the best, so just being fitter isn't enough.
 
Greck said:
If his only diagnosis of our problems is a lack of fitness he'll struggle. Maybe when we don't have the ball but when we have it a lack of running and speed isn't why we're bad in possession
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We need to run more to open up space for good passes. Although it is more about being clever than just doing stupid runs over and over again.
 
MancunianBIue said:
Real Madrid & Barcelona make mistakes all the time, difference is the rectify them quickly. If this situation was at one of those clubs Ole wouldn't see the summer.
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Have to agree with that. Loptegui was on his bike after, what, three months? The game has changed so much and so quickly that there's very little margin for error. Ole may be a club legend but if that's the criteria, so is Steve Bruce, or Sparky who, arguably, are far more qualified. I hope Ole succeeds but I have a awful feeling that it's all going to go tits up. There seems to be a discontent within the club that doesn't seem to want to go away.
 
breakout67 said:
He's done for at this club. That sort of answer comes from a man that has realised the mess he is in.

I can be confident in saying that there is a huge difference between the situation Ole thought he was going to be in and the situation he is actually in. He thought that because of his time at United there was no way that players could not play for the badge, but the vast majority don't give a feck about the club and just care about money.
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Ole Gunnar is trapped. If he starts to name blame our stars he lose what’s left of the dressing room and if he says he don’t know he’s clueless. It’s a game he can’t win.

The solution is to do what Sir Alex did and take control of the dressing room. Sell for example Martial and De Gea and you will witness a change in attitude. Authority comes with actions, not words.
 
Nice to see him saying it is not good enough, work ethic wise. Dangerous though because you risk losing the players when you criticise them in public.

If he is serious about getting rid of those that do not put in a shift, then Pogba will have to be one the first out the door. Talent wise, terrific, but cannot work hard enough.
 
Bojan11 said:
That’s all good.

But our stuff with the ball is horrific too.
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Yeah, fitness alone is ok, you dont get slaughtered 4-0 away to Everton, but defensive mistakes all over the pitch and zero creativity and attacking patterns. We dont win that game with fitness alone. Ole is always talking about freedom and work, but that wont get us the goals.
 
breakout67 said:
He's done for at this club. That sort of answer comes from a man that has realised the mess he is in.

I can be confident in saying that there is a huge difference between the situation Ole thought he was going to be in and the situation he is actually in. He thought that because of his time at United there was no way that players could not play for the badge, but the vast majority don't give a feck about the club and just care about money.
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Worrying alright. Always dangerous when you criticize the players publicly.
 
Paul_Scholes18 said:
We need to run more to open up space for good passes. Although it is more about being clever than just doing stupid runs over and over again.
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Edited my post to reflect that. We don't need a dramatic fitness increase to get players to make tactical movements to enable passing triangles. He can start doing that stuff now if his coaches have a clue. If not he better hire help like Fergie would have done
 
7even said:
Ole Gunnar is trapped. If he starts to name blame our stars he lose what’s left of the dressing room and if he says he don’t know he’s clueless. It’s a game he can’t win.

The solution is to do what Sir Alex did and take control of the dressing room. Sell for example Martial and De Gea and you will witness a change in attitude. Authority comes with actions, not words.
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Bingo. The reason why I backed Ole is because he showed good qualities, but predicted very early on that he was going to see the same fate as his predecessors. Any manager we hire is fighting a losing battle, always held back by the structure behind him.

Erik Hag is not a revolutinary manager, but he manages Ajax who have been steadily planning their rise. They were already showing signs under Peter Bosz in 16/17, they replaced him and didn't miss a beat.

Managers are the least of our worries.
 
Greck said:
Edited my post to reflect that. We don't need a dramatic fitness increase to get players to make tactical movements to enable passing triangles. He can start doing that stuff now if his coaches have a clue. If not he better hire help like Fergie would have done
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Yeah the other top sides make space much better than us. It is something we need to work on.

If the reason we don't press that well is due to fitness I can understand that since high press needs workrate to work well. Although we can improve in other areas though.
 
LJJT said:
Who we getting as manager then? Pep? No. Poch? No. Who else is there out there that’s better than lvg was, better than mourinho was? The whole things rotten- players come to us for the money not the pride in the shirt. Ole above most people can restore that cos he had it and the fans shouldn’t turn on him
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Mourinho, although he lost it this season, actually did show what he can do by winning a few trophies and finishing second with the same squad that is supposedly only here for the money. Motivation is the job of the manager, and if you are unable to get the team to play, then you shouldn't be managing. Moyes completely underwhelmed and LVG, in terms of style and transfers. The question is if Solskjaer is even as good as Moyes or LVG. There is no identity to our play, no style, no organization, and the players look completely clueless on the pitch every game. There is a reason some managers are managing in the Championship and lower leagues.
 
7even said:
Ole Gunnar is trapped. If he starts to name blame our stars he lose what’s left of the dressing room and if he says he don’t know he’s clueless. It’s a game he can’t win.

The solution is to do what Sir Alex did and take control of the dressing room. Sell for example Martial and De Gea and you will witness a change in attitude. Authority comes with actions, not words.
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Fergie had some clout though and came with a reputation from Aberdeen. It took him a while to sort the dressing room out and he did that by getting the leaders there, Robbo for example, in his corner.
 
We all love Ole. But let's be honest, we've given the job to someone who doesn't have a proven track record.
 
bosnian_red said:
I think Woodward just kind of gives mostly free reign to the manager and goes after their targets and works his way down the list based on who is attainable. Who knows what the actual recruitment policy is, but it has seemed very geared towards each manager that has been in charge with the occasional boner over big names.
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Ole has a very hit and miss transfer record though.

So that's hardly comforting either.
 
K2K said:
Ole has a very hit and miss transfer record though.

So that's hardly comforting either.
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Ole's transfer record before us is pretty irrelevant. Different world going after players to stay in the premier league or compete for the Norwegian league compared to try and be the best and have a massive budget. It's a big unknown really. But I hope everyone takes a ruthless approach and not look at anyone like they're too big of a name to sell. We need to send a message this summer, if not, nothing changes.
 
He can talk about fitness all he likes but United's ability to play with the ball needs to improve. He can't just hang his hat on counter attacks as that'll be sussed out soon enough.
 
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