Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion

[Yagami]

Sure, look at the amount of fans on here who support him that have Ole in their username or are Norwegian. Then you have the sentimentality crew and the ones supporting him just to save face because they preached about how great he was going to be. Then of course you have the oppos who absolutely love him being our manager.

To be fair, I think there are some who genuinely think - with a fully fit squad and a couple or so additions in attack - Ole will turn things around.

I don't really agree, but I guess I can see why they'd have that opinion.

Not all Norwegians are blindly Ole in But I do agree, the number of Norwegian United fans that wants to give him time because of his passport is very annoying. The Noggie Supporter’s Club’s FB group has turned into a proper echo-chamber as well.

Very true! I remember @Catt being against his initial appointment, which I believe is how she got her tagline

 

[Robbie Boy]

Not all Norwegians are blindly Ole in But I do agree, the number of Norwegian United fans that wants to give him time because of his passport is very annoying. The Noggie Supporter’s Club’s FB group has turned into a proper echo-chamber as well.

Not all for sure, but there are some (I won't name names) that get overly emotional when he is criticised. I do get the nationality bias thing to a degree: If Roy Keane had of got the job, I most likely would have believed in him a-bit longer than most as having a fellow countryman manage the club would be awesome, initially anyway. But feck me, I would have given up a long time ago if things had of gotten this bad. I mean, we are literally all meant to want to see us get back to being a really top club again but some are letting personal agendas cloud any form of rational judgement and they continue to blindly support Ole.

 

[Robbie Boy]

To be fair, I think there are some who genuinely think - with a fully fit squad and a couple or so additions in attack - Ole will turn things around.

I don't really agree, but I guess I can see why they'd have that opinion.

But I mean, Pogba had been pretty awful under Ole this season when he was fit. I don't believe for one minute that we would be any better off had more players been fit. Ole is just a really, painfully bad manager and nothing is going to mask that.

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Manchester United have dropped 30 points against those teams which would result in a sacking at any big club with ambition. Chelsea and Spurs have been shit too and have either been hampered by a transfer ban or have have sacked the manager to improve the situation. And both clubs are above us in the league. Leicester are also 14 points clear of us and are punching well above expectations, so using Leicester to make your point is a moot one.

Leicester aren't punching above their weight, they have consistently been doing well and their squad is better than every other team they are ahead of except City.

The trouble with listing clubs and saying United dropped 30 points against this lot ignores the basic reality that the league as a whole has gotten more competitive owing to TV money and consistent investment from ownership groups. United could barely even bully Newcastle into selling Longstaff and the gap is only getting narrower from top to bottom.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Not all for sure, but there are some (I won't name names) that get overly emotional when he is criticised. I do get the nationality bias thing to a degree: If Roy Keane had of got the job, I most likely would have believed in him a-bit longer than most as having a fellow countryman manage the club would be awesome, initially anyway. But feck me, I would have given up a long time ago if things had of gotten this bad. I mean, we are literally all meant to want to see us get back to being a really top club again but some are letting personal agendas cloud any form of rational judgement and they continue to blindly support Ole.

There seems to be a lot of new folk on here who are banging the Ole drum.

 

[Robbie Boy]

There seems to be a lot of new folk on here who are banging the Ole drum.

Aye, I've noticed that and I have a suspicion some are returnees.

 

[Enigma_87]

Leicester aren't punching above their weight, they have consistently been doing well and their squad is better than every other team they are ahead of except City.

The trouble with listing clubs and saying United dropped 30 points against this lot ignores the basic reality that the league as a whole has gotten more competitive owing to TV money and consistent investment from ownership groups. United could barely even bully Newcastle into selling Longstaff and the gap is only getting narrower from top to bottom.

Did we conveniently forget that Leicester finished 9th last year, 14 point behind us and sold us their best defender for 80m, whilst their biggest signing was Tielemans who was already in their team last year?

 

[TrustInOle]

Absolute destruction mate, brilliant work - you have just single-handedly proven the ridiculous level of mental gymnastics and moving of goalposts that this lot are employing to defend a dogshit manager and terrible coaching. Well done, mate!

Mental gymnastics? Have a look at yourself! Show me exactly where I indicate, within this recent conversation, that Ole is doing a good job let alone should stay in the job? Some people realise there is alot more wrong with this club than just the manager. Sack Ole, I have no qualms getting rid of a manager I now realise isn't good enough, but there are other important aspects of this club that have long been left to rot, which most of you would realise if you stop jist focusing on Ole.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Bruno Fernandes is going to be ruined by Ole and the coaching staff before he knows it.

 

[Micky Targaryen]

Just out of interest, how many are supporting Ole, purely due to sentiment?

You're dreaming if you think you're gonna get an honest answer from them mate.

 

[romufc]

To be fair, I think there are some who genuinely think - with a fully fit squad and a couple or so additions in attack - Ole will turn things around.

I don't really agree, but I guess I can see why they'd have that opinion.

So are you trying to say we would not have won more games if Pogba, McT, Rashford, Martial had been fit for large parts this season?

 

[Judas]

Mental gymnastics? Have a look at yourself! Show me exactly where I indicate, within this recent conversation, that Ole is doing a good job let alone should stay in the job? Some people realise there is alot more wrong with this club than just the manager. Sack Ole, I have no qualms getting rid of a manager I now realise isn't good enough, but there are other important aspects of this club that have long been left to rot, which most of you would realise if you stop jist focusing on Ole.

Every single "Ole out" poster is well aware that he is the tip of the rotten iceberg. This myth that people are unaware of the other issues, is so beyond idiotic at this point.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Did we conveniently forget that Leicester finished 9th last year, 14 point behind us and sold us their best defender for 80m, whilst their biggest signing was Tielemans who was already in their team last year?

Yup, check this thread out. Some of the revisionism on here is insane, there's people on the first page laughing at them even finishing top six. This dozy on the first page is gold, though:

There is more chance of me playing for Manchester United than Leicester finishing in the top 6 or higher than us.

Can't beat the lies and propaganda from the 'in brigade', though.

 

[TrustInOle]

Every single "Ole out" poster is well aware that he is the tip of the rotten iceberg. This myth that people are unaware of the other issues, is so beyond idiotic at this point.

So why not vent a little of that rage and energy in the direction of the cause of the problems? I never see people moan about the state of the stadium for instance, which is my biggest qualm as it has been let go. Its always manager this, manager that, yet there is one single constant in every one of these appointments and I believe we will just be in this same place again 2 years down the line bacause the club has failed over 6 years to show any signs of planning of footballing sustainability.

 

[Yagami]

But I mean, Pogba had been pretty awful under Ole this season when he was fit. I don't believe for one minute that we would be any better off had more players been fit. Ole is just a really, painfully bad manager and nothing is going to mask that.

I agree.

Well, I reckon we'd have a few more points had we had Martial, Rashford and Pogba on the pitch together more often (even though we didn't look great with them three starting at the beginning of the season) because we rely on individual quality and they're our best three in terms of making things happen in attack, but, as you say, that still wouldn't mask Old's deficiencies as there just aren't any signs of patterns of play in possession/attack and just general cohesion in our organisation as a team.

So are you trying to say we would not have won more games if Pogba, McT, Rashford, Martial had been fit for large parts this season?

No, I do think we'd have won more for sure.

What I'm saying is that, even with a few more wins here and there, I don't think Ole having them three would've suddenly transformed us into a good team.

He had them three last year during our terrible run of form to close out the season, and at the beginning of this season which was a poor start, too.

 

[Judas]

So why not vent a little of that rage and energy in the direction of the cause of the problems? I never see people moan about the state of the stadium for instance, which is my biggest qualm as it has been let go. Its always manager this, manager that, yet there is one single constant in every one of these appointments and I believe we will just be in this same place again 2 years down the line bacause the club has failed over 6 years to show any signs of planning of footballing sustainability.

There's a thread on the stadium? there's a thread on the owners? There's thread on Woody? Dreadful defence. There's more Ole threads, thus more discussions, he's also the easiest and sadly most realistic chance of change we have.

 

[TRUERED89]

This guy was a firm Ole supporter but has now lost faith after the Wolves game.

This was epic, I saw it on the day! What a rant

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Did we conveniently forget that Leicester finished 9th last year, 14 point behind us and sold us their best defender for 80m, whilst their biggest signing was Tielemans who was already in their team last year?

Why does that matter? Their squad is better than United's, they've been ridiculously fortunate with injuries and top to bottom they are managed eons better by the executive team. The managerial gap is only one of many things that shows up in the table.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Every single one of them, even if they don't realise or acknowledge it.

There's no other valid reason to support Ole in the job at this point.

The only small piece of grace I have for him is the injuries, and the fact we sold Lukaku and didn't replace him properly.

I think he was naive himself thinking the players he had were/are better than they are - and thinking they'd all stay fit.

I doubt in his worst dreams he would have expected Pogba and Rashford to miss half the season. The worst case has happened for him.

 

[romufc]

I agree.

Well, I reckon we'd have a few more points had we had Martial, Rashford and Pogba on the pitch together more often (even though we didn't look great with them three starting at the beginning of the season) because we rely on individual quality and they're our best three in terms of making things happen in attack, but, as you say, that still wouldn't mask Old's deficiencies as there just aren't any signs of patterns of play in possession/attack and just general cohesion in our organisation as a team.


No, I do think we'd have won more for sure.

What I'm saying is that, even with a few more wins here and there, I don't think Ole having them three would've suddenly transformed us into a good team.

He had them three last year during our terrible run of form to close out the season, and at the beginning of this season which was a poor start, too.

They started 3 games together, since then how many games have they played together?

Won 4-0 V Chelsea, 1-1 draw against Wolves with missed pen and 2-1 loss v Palace where we had another missed pen

 

[TrustInOle]

There's a thread on the stadium? there's a thread on the owners? There's thread on Woody? Dreadful defence. There's more Ole threads, thus more discussions, he's also the easiest and sadly most realistic chance of change we have.

True, and sadly how much attention do these threads recieve of fans compared to the manager threads? This will be our fourth manager change whilst other aspects get constantly left ignored and I feel more time and effort could be put towards making these issues heard more.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

There are no excuses now we've signed Fernandes and have a creative midfielder. We're 25 games in, have spent £185m on 5 players and are down to 7th.

If we don't see some improvement after this winter break the board will have no option but to bring Poch in, if only for season ticket sales.

We are very lucky to be in 7th. In some other seasons we'd be between 10th-12th right on these points.

"How many teams break down Wolves?"

Well Ole, they have 5 clean sheets in 25 games (2 against us) and Chelsea put 5 past them.

 

[Judas]

We're genuinely lucky to be 7th, we're performing like a team much worse than that. Let that sink, Man Utd, lucky to be as high as 7th.

 

[FrankDrebin]

This was epic, I saw it on the day! What a rant

Quite a epic rant indeed. His comment on James was brilliant.

 

[romufc]

We are very lucky to be in 7th. In some other seasons we'd be between 10th-12th right on these points.

"How many teams break down Wolves?"

Well Ole, they have 5 clean sheets in 25 games (2 against us) and Chelsea put 5 past them.

We are very very lucky to be 7th.

Ole is very annoying when it comes to post match, Wolves have conceded 32 goals this season, hardly the best defensive record.

the fact that we want to play counter attack and line up with Perreira and Mata. Then we have Perreira LW and Mata RW at times in the game.

I would rather see Dalot RW and James LW, even though James recently looks completely lost.

 

[Adnan]

Leicester aren't punching above their weight, they have consistently been doing well and their squad is better than every other team they are ahead of except City.

The trouble with listing clubs and saying United dropped 30 points against this lot ignores the basic reality that the league as a whole has gotten more competitive owing to TV money and consistent investment from ownership groups. United could barely even bully Newcastle into selling Longstaff and the gap is only getting narrower from top to bottom.

Leicester are punching above their weight and are up their due to smart recruitment. They also have far lower expectations at the club in comparison to United and them being above City is proof of them punching above their weight.

Of course the league has got more competitive but let's not lose sight of the fact that United has a significant advantage over those clubs listed due to pulling power, and finances in general. And Sean Longstaff wasn't the only player that could've been targeted so using him to make your point is silly.

 

[TRUERED89]

Quite a epic rant indeed. His comment on James was brilliant.

This is the first time he's turned on Ole. Everyone is rapidly losing patience. Now with Bruno and Ighalo (obviously an average signing) the pressure on him to perform has ramped up significantly. Judging by the Wolves game, he couldn't get the best out of Bruno and it could continue to the point where we start thinking Bruno is shite too, because of the poor tactics and game management.

 

[Enigma_87]

Why does that matter? Their squad is better than United's, they've been ridiculously fortunate with injuries and top to bottom they are managed eons better by the executive team. The managerial gap is only one of many things that shows up in the table.

How come they finished 9th then with a better squad 14 points behind us with also Maguire in it?

 

[Enigma_87]

Yup, check this thread out. Some of the revisionism on here is insane, there's people on the first page laughing at them even finishing top six. This dozy on the first page is gold, though:



Can't beat the lies and propaganda from the 'in brigade', though.

Yup. Some people called it a great summer when it was blatantly obvious we were missing balance in key areas. Now the same people go on here stating we have the worst squad in ages. Go figure.

 

[FrankDrebin]

This is the first time he's turned on Ole. Everyone is rapidly losing patience. Now with Bruno and Ighalo (obviously an average signing) the pressure on him to perform has ramped up significantly. Judging by the Wolves game, he couldn't get the best out of Bruno and it could continue to the point where we start thinking Bruno is shite too, because of the poor tactics and game management.

This is my concern too.
My only hope is,if Bruno's form does take a huge dive while being played in unfamiliar positions,then the club has to look at that investment and start questioning the management.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Yup. Some people called it a great summer when it was blatantly obvious we were missing balance in key areas. Now the same people go on here stating we have the worst squad in ages. Go figure.

It's all part of the propaganda, mate. Literally the same 'Ole in' posters who were 'buzzing' for the start of the season and tipping us to finish 3rd etc, are now saying the squad is utter shit. Funny how the parameters constantly change, all to defend a manager that has now business managing us.

Top 3, Europa league, Carling cup.

Think we will get 75-80 points and finish 3rd this season.

Win the Europa League.

3rd place finish, Europa Cup and FA Cup double.

3rd place and win the EL.

My expectation is finishing in top 3. Pretty comfortably too..

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

How come they finished 9th then with a better squad 14 points behind us with also Maguire in it?

Not sure why you are persisting with this. Maddison had just arrived last season and he has improved significantly this year, they sold Mahrez midway through the season, their owner died outside the stadium and they changed managers mid season.

 

[Leftback99]

On what basis are we lucky to be 7th?

Expected goals models have us 4th, suggesting we're unlucky to only have 35 points if anything.

https://understat.com/league/EPL/2019

Finishing our chances is the main problem by this measure.

The overating of other teams based on highlights is ridiculous. Spurs didn't have a single shot until City went down to 10 men yesterday. They are clearly 'lucky' to be above us.

 

[Enigma_87]

Not sure why you are persisting with this. Maddison had just arrived last season and he has improved significantly this year, they sold Mahrez midway through the season, their owner died outside the stadium and they changed managers mid season.

Maddison was one of their best players last year and I'm not sure he has improved compared to last year, let alone significantly. Mahrez was a non factor either way and was known during the Summer.

How many of our supporters(yourself included), would have agreed to take Leicester's squad, minus Maguire, and give them ours? Come on mate.

 

[TRUERED89]

This is my concern too.
My only hope is,if Bruno's form does take a huge dive while being played in unfamiliar positions,then the club has to look at that investment and start questioning the management.

Lets see what happens at Chelsea when Matic returns, hopefully we have more control and balance. Bruno needs to stay right up the pitch, the best creator in Portugal cannot be playing bloody CDM. That's totally on Ole! ridiculous tactics, also Andreas has no football IQ whatsoever may I add, hence the stupid decision to change the two around.

 

[DFreshKing]

Lets see what happens at Chelsea when Matic returns, hopefully we have more control and balance. Bruno needs to stay right up the pitch, the best creator in Portugal cannot be playing bloody CDM. That's totally on Ole! ridiculous tactics, also Andreas has no football IQ whatsoever may I add, hence the stupid decision to change the two around.

Your'e right Pereira was bossing it he should have left well alone.

 

[Adnan]

Calling a spade a spade really isn't difficult fellas..

 

[Robbie Boy]

Not sure why you are persisting with this. Maddison had just arrived last season and he has improved significantly this year, they sold Mahrez midway through the season, their owner died outside the stadium and they changed managers mid season.

Nah, Mahrez was sold during the summer of 2018.

 

[Adnan]

Not sure why you are persisting with this. Maddison had just arrived last season and he has improved significantly this year, they sold Mahrez midway through the season, their owner died outside the stadium and they changed managers mid season.

You haven't watched much of Maddison if you think he has significantly improved this year.

 

[TRUERED89]

Your'e right Pereira was bossing it he should have left well alone.

I still would of kept Bruno at CAM, even though Andreas was horrendous in the holding role. We may have seen a shot on target in the second half then .