I’m a real fan and want the bloke out. In fact I never wanted him in the first place. What makes me not a “real fan”? I’d love to know.
Ole Gunnar Solskjær | 2021/22 Discussion
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I’m a real fan and want the bloke out. In fact I never wanted him in the first place. What makes me not a “real fan”? I’d love to know.
It'd be madness if Ole ended up getting sacked next year while most of this squad was still at the club.
If we had Guardiola in charge I'd worry for his health workng with the likes of Matic and Young. I imagine he'd get stuck in a loop wishing us a happy, happy new year.
If we had Guardiola in charge I'd worry for his health workng with the likes of Matic and Young. I imagine he'd get stuck in a loop wishing us a happy, happy new year.
Get sick all you like, but thats ridiculous.
You clearly do not seem to comprehend the negative effect of Sanchez having the contract he has, for current players and signing future ones.
You won't be able to flog him, so just play him while he's here. I do comprehend the effect of Sanchez - I'm looking over at how Arsenal drew a line after Ozil and they are coping well. They set a new structure for wages post Ozil and stood firm. They'll lose Ramsey from it but it will be fine in the long run. What they aren't doing is making Ozil rot. They are using him when he shows some hunger. We are doing feck all, outside having a love-fest for overrated kids.
If he is the sacrificial lamb that leads to reform, I'm ok with that.
Everyone is backing the manager but we shouldn't ignore that he is probably out of his depth and was a wrong choice.
I thought this was a Man Utd forum, not a Shakespeare forum. My apologies.You know the wine is poisoned but you're going to drink it anyway? Than admit that you are wrong, impressive.
Even if we blame the players, which we should, it can’t be denied that they’ve already damaged Ole as the manager of this club moving forward.
He has to go with youth for the rest of the season and hope they can restore a sense of pride and momentum going into the summer.
He has to go with youth for the rest of the season and hope they can restore a sense of pride and momentum going into the summer.
Brilliant post. One of the best I’ve seen today.
We've never been a pressing possession side under Ole apart from the first two games which were our best peformances.
Ignore what? Conjecture? We don’t have a baldy what’s going on aside from what we see on the pitch.
I think Woodward just kind of gives mostly free reign to the manager and goes after their targets and works his way down the list based on who is attainable. Who knows what the actual recruitment policy is, but it has seemed very geared towards each manager that has been in charge with the occasional boner over big names.
As was moyes- prem seasoned punching above his weight
As was LVG- one of the best euro managers of last 20 years
As was mourinho - one of best prem managers ever???
Let’s all get a grip half the players are there for the money and don’t give s monkeys.
Okay, we were certainly not a counter attacking side for most part. It started at Spurs, then huge success in Paris and now all games are like that. Why?
Anywhere to see his post-match interview?
Who are the superstars?
You’re always moaning in fairness mate
And that was against Cardiff and Huddersfield...
Ole was a breath of fresh air when he arrived, the players were given their 5th, 6th lives and played well for a few months, but sooner or later they will return to their average best and the mangers takes the stick.
Ole will start to question them and the media pressure will increase, resulting in another manager sacking (in 12 to 18 months) because you can't sack the plays!
Then United will enter a 7th campaign with Smalling and Jones.
Time to give the manager power and sack the majority of the squad, replacing the outgoing lot with academy players, plus whoever they bring in the summer window.
Ole will start to question them and the media pressure will increase, resulting in another manager sacking (in 12 to 18 months) because you can't sack the plays!
Then United will enter a 7th campaign with Smalling and Jones.
Time to give the manager power and sack the majority of the squad, replacing the outgoing lot with academy players, plus whoever they bring in the summer window.
Real Madrid & Barcelona make mistakes all the time, difference is the rectify them quickly. If this situation was at one of those clubs Ole wouldn't see the summer.
The Glazers and Ed are obsessed with CL football though because of our sponsors demand for it.
I think a few big losses won’t hurt us long term, they need to wake the feck up.
Let’s judge Ole this time next season? And I wanted Poch, I’m not a sentimental fanboy of any manager or player.
Wait until Ole gets his own players in. I'm still convinced that the form we showed under Ole earlier this season is the real Ole.
That is as bad I have seen a Manchester United play, ever. Ole is a joke signing, he is tactically clueless. The players are mercenaries and want new big money contracts, when ironically, they have won feck all to deserve them. We are officially a fecking mid table club. If you are not furious about the running of our club you are as deluded as the board. Everton 4, really fecking Everton. We are in freefall. It is unbelievable..
In your opinion.
Them clubs wouldn’t force Ashley Young, Phil Jones and Chris Smalling on their managers every season though. So it’s a poor comparison.
i hope he resigns. no shame in it, he gave us a run, did his job as interim. but yeah...
Honestly Ole is forcing Young and Jones on himself. Jones had already been phased out. You get the feeling he wants to feature a British core
I can understand Ole can do only this much with the cr@p with him but sign of a good manager is to get most out of available. I hope he will learn from last few matches.
1. There is no way Martial, Rashford and Lukaku can play together. This has been seen multiple times in past. They all want to play the same position and there is no complementary game between these 3. Playing them together put the team in imbalance. Today we were practically playing with overloaded forwards with thin midfield. Nothing seemed to work between them.
2. Pogba, Fred and Matic are not effective midfield trio. Pogba, Matic and Herrera are. But if Herrera is not playing then Matic shouldn't play. Instead McT and Fred can play with much better understanding. This was demonstrated earlier. Why Ole chose to tinker with it only he knows.
3. McT and Fred are developing good understanding. Breaking that partnership in favor of other players is not helping the team
4. Dalot is most effective on right. We missed Luke dearly. His link up with Pogba is really good. He practically makes Pogba a better player. But Dalot is not the replacement. Ole needs to play players at the position where they are most effective. This tinkering is not helping.
5. Same with Pogba. He needs to play in his traditional position of no. 6. Pushing him in the center and then right is not giving any result.
6. If a player is lazy like Martial then he needs to sit out. Ole seems to be awarding his complacency and punishing Fred, McT who are showing fight. This is in inexplicable.
First thing is selecting right player at right position and then allowing them to express themselves while keeping the team composition correct. If Ole picks up random players at random position and allow them to play random game then this is the result. He has made this same mistake repeatedly in last couple of matches. Hope he analyze himself as he asks players to step up.
1. There is no way Martial, Rashford and Lukaku can play together. This has been seen multiple times in past. They all want to play the same position and there is no complementary game between these 3. Playing them together put the team in imbalance. Today we were practically playing with overloaded forwards with thin midfield. Nothing seemed to work between them.
2. Pogba, Fred and Matic are not effective midfield trio. Pogba, Matic and Herrera are. But if Herrera is not playing then Matic shouldn't play. Instead McT and Fred can play with much better understanding. This was demonstrated earlier. Why Ole chose to tinker with it only he knows.
3. McT and Fred are developing good understanding. Breaking that partnership in favor of other players is not helping the team
4. Dalot is most effective on right. We missed Luke dearly. His link up with Pogba is really good. He practically makes Pogba a better player. But Dalot is not the replacement. Ole needs to play players at the position where they are most effective. This tinkering is not helping.
5. Same with Pogba. He needs to play in his traditional position of no. 6. Pushing him in the center and then right is not giving any result.
6. If a player is lazy like Martial then he needs to sit out. Ole seems to be awarding his complacency and punishing Fred, McT who are showing fight. This is in inexplicable.
First thing is selecting right player at right position and then allowing them to express themselves while keeping the team composition correct. If Ole picks up random players at random position and allow them to play random game then this is the result. He has made this same mistake repeatedly in last couple of matches. Hope he analyze himself as he asks players to step up.
Agree with everything you're saying and I'm on the same wavelength - it's about caring for the fecking club and having the sense to see the obvious.
This is madness what we're witnessing, it's as if Woodward is an undercover Liverpool fan.
Agree.
"The bloke?" You're talking about a United legend here. Ole needs to be given a proper chance to get his own players in, just like every other manager, since Sir Alex. This slump in form does not undo his fantastic early season form that brought back the entertainment after Mourinho stagnated our football.
Good post.
No player of real quality is going to want to come to a club on the decline, with Europa league football and a manager who doesn’t have any real credentials to be the manager of this football club.
Can’t wait till he starts to bring in Molde players during the summer.
Quite interesting that United have ran less than 15 out of 17 opponents since Ole took over.
Ran 8km less than Everton today which is crazy.
Ran 8km less than Everton today which is crazy.
IF this is true and Ole is persisting with them because of that reason, then we well and truly are in the shite.
It's worrying, we're going into the unknown with Ole. We don't know what types of players he wants to buy, we don't know what his style is, we don't know how ruthless he is. Some of his lineups and subs make no sense at all too.
Far too many question marks for me and that's not going into fixing the issues with DDG, Pogba, Lukaku and Sanchez.
Far too many question marks for me and that's not going into fixing the issues with DDG, Pogba, Lukaku and Sanchez.
I think the main issue, for me in anyway, is that we went from having a very good idea, (getting Ole as interim, then Poch and a DOF at the end of the season), to a very bad idea in thinking Ole is somehow a top level manager, and seemingly dismissing getting a DOF (an external one anyway), it just screams of no one having clue what they are doing at the club, so it's just frustration that we now seem to be in a worse situation than if we'd just let Jose see the season out and sack him then, as now the reform we needed, and seemed to be about to get is not going to happen.
If he's staying then I really hope Ole is backed to the hilt now, and all the blame is firmly turned on first the rotten players, and then Ed and the Glazers.
Nothing to do with Ole and all to do with the attitudes of the squad. Those statistics on the running aren't a coincidence.
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I can't back Ole when he picked Matic who has been awful recently.
Or when he played Lindelof at right back again even though it was the same poor decision that didn't help against Barca.
Jones and Smalling ahead of Lindelof at CB? feck Ole he's deluded.
Or when he played Lindelof at right back again even though it was the same poor decision that didn't help against Barca.
Jones and Smalling ahead of Lindelof at CB? feck Ole he's deluded.
I do recall him specifically mentioning this as something he wanted his team to be good at. Interesting indeed if true.
You do know this is not the same squad Moyes had?
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