I absolutely hate to say this, but Ole simply has to go.
Ole: “maybe something has to give”
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Yikes.
We gotta demand more of some players. I think Mason is still young enough for it to be drilled into him. I think he is our best attacking option at times, can’t drop him out the side for too long in my opinion.
But ultimately it should always be what’s best for the side.
Would Ronaldo elevate City or hamper them?
Mason upfront from here on then. 
We can buy the best DM and RB on the market and we'd still look absolutely pathetic. The problems run far deeper than the players. You have teams like Brighton, Brentford, Leicester who play far more attractive and cohesive football than ours with players that cost overall less than what we paid for Pogba. Chelsea has a team of kids playing in defense and they're playing at a far greater level than our defense who look like amateurs that just stepped on the field for the first time yesterday morning. It's not the players, never has been. The manager is the most important position in football and on that front we're dreadful. You saw what happened in 2013 when Moyes, who is arguably a better manager than Ole, took us from champions to 7th place. Nothing really was changed about the squad except the manager and coaching staff and the difference was staggering.
We need a management team that actually knows what the feck they're doing. Ole seems like a deer stuck in the headlights. "just go out and enjoy yourself, lads" doesn't work. Look at how Klopp and Guardiola speak about tactics down to the miniscule of details and look at our manager who is all about "passion", tackles and "hard work". That's simply not gonna cut it.
We need a management team that actually knows what the feck they're doing. Ole seems like a deer stuck in the headlights. "just go out and enjoy yourself, lads" doesn't work. Look at how Klopp and Guardiola speak about tactics down to the miniscule of details and look at our manager who is all about "passion", tackles and "hard work". That's simply not gonna cut it.
I’d part with him now for an elite manager, but… it’s not all his fault. It’s Woody, it’s Glazers, it’s the backroom team. It’s the players. It’s the way things are, sadly. I’ll take no joy in his leaving nor have I much faith in a new dawn under the likes of Conte or Zidane
He has to go. As much as we love him for past heroics it’s time to part. We ain’t winning nothing with him as manager. Chelsea let lampard go who was more of a legend to their club then ole is to us. We ain’t winning nothing with ole as manager.
Get conte in, maybe not best option long term but he will get results in short term and definitely will get more out of these players then ole is currently doing.
Get conte in, maybe not best option long term but he will get results in short term and definitely will get more out of these players then ole is currently doing.
I don't think any of us are quite able to process what one person can do to change everything. Just like Bruno galvanized us for 2 years, a single manager can change everything. That's why they're so important. And it's also incredibly difficult to find one who is really special, and be able to tease their contribution away from the team.
Klopp and Tuchel being able to recreate their magic and achievements from club to club is clear testament to their strength.
Selective memory.
Maybe he could start picking the goalkeeper best suited to our defenders and style of play. That would be a start.
First XI
Rashford--Ronaldo
Bruno
Shaw--------------Pogba---------Matic--------------Lingard
Varane--------Maguire----McTominay
DDG
Second XIBruno
Shaw--------------Pogba---------Matic--------------Lingard
Varane--------Maguire----McTominay
DDG
Cavani--Greenwood
Sancho
Telles--------------VDB---------Fred--------------Dalot
Bailly-----Lindelof----(AWB)
Henderson
Feck it. We need to try something radical. Even though we don't really have enough defenders to pull it off.Sancho
Telles--------------VDB---------Fred--------------Dalot
Bailly-----Lindelof----(AWB)
Henderson
Funny to see so many formations here even after realizing that Ole wouldn't ditch the 4231 even if his job depended on it.
What free flowing football?
Bingo. We'll see a lot more of this as he pitches new reasons to buy time. Wouldn't be surprised if we see a shift in formation which will of course require time and patience again.
This has to be a WUM right?
People actually believe we were a swash-buckling attacking side without Ronaldo last season?
We had shocking performances last season without Ronaldo too. The Brighton game in which Bruno scored a last minute pen was one of the flukiest wins I've ever seen. That's just 1 example.
The problem with that is that Greenwood is usually the best of our front three. Even today aside from the goal in the first half his link up play was very and he was the only goal threat.
Would say change his stubborn ways but why bother asking for something that won't happen
He's played 4-3-3, 4-diamond-2 and 5-3-2 at various points in his time here.
He also states in the thread title that “maybe something has to give”. If that doesn't indicate an openness to ditching his old ways then nothing does.
He speaks. His actions says otherwise.
Great Post.
I think Mctominay could do that sitting role, but that's its really, Bruno is much to forward thinking to play in a three and Pogbas (who think was okay last game) has low defensive positioning.
It's been 11 hours. We haven't played since he said that.
No they don’t, there is a winning squad right there!
Also, ole has been backed significantly
im not a glazier fan at all, but, they’ve spent a shit ton of money or the club has on transfers. Managers have been backed, and so far they have fluffed their lines
Maybe we could try something like this. The only way to solve this midfield, is to outnumbers the opponents, there's simply no other way to do it.
Will have to give up our attackers:
De Gea
Lindelof Varane Maguire
AWB VDB Mctominay Pogba Shaw
Bruno
Ronaldo
Ronaldo - I can't see any scenario where he won't be starting games, unless the manager want to get himself sacked, he is too big to be dropped. But he will provide us lots of goals if the team provide him services, there won't be any doubt of this. The problem is, he just don't press at all, so we will need others to do the work for him.
Bruno - would play him as second striker from now on. With him taking up our AM role previously, it is actually a disaster for our midfield, I really think he is part of problem for our very poor midfield play, as he moves/stays too further up the pitch and involves very little in our build up play. But he is great at providing final balls and scoring goals, he is still the biggest assists for us.
Greenwood - he could be great backup for Ronaldo, or rotate with Bruno and moves further up front, or make a great impact subs. It will be big loss without him on the pitch, but we have to fix our midfield, that's our top top priority.
Rashford - I think he could rotate with Bruno and moves further up front, and make a great impact subs. His pace would be great assists, but unfortunately we have to sacrifice our our wing forward players to pack more numbers in midfield.
Cavani - he could be great backup for Ronaldo, or rotate with Bruno and moves further up front, or make a great impact subs. I think his pressing is very valuable to the team, but he seems having some fitness issues too.
Sancho - put him to our reserve. He doesn't deserve to be anywhere near our first team as of now. 0 contribution in our attack after 10 games. Totally useless.
Martial - bench warmer, nothing more nothing less.
VDB - play him instead of Fred, he is good at passing the ball around, and offering us much more in build up play than Fred.
Will have to give up our attackers:
De Gea
Lindelof Varane Maguire
AWB VDB Mctominay Pogba Shaw
Bruno
Ronaldo
Ronaldo - I can't see any scenario where he won't be starting games, unless the manager want to get himself sacked, he is too big to be dropped. But he will provide us lots of goals if the team provide him services, there won't be any doubt of this. The problem is, he just don't press at all, so we will need others to do the work for him.
Bruno - would play him as second striker from now on. With him taking up our AM role previously, it is actually a disaster for our midfield, I really think he is part of problem for our very poor midfield play, as he moves/stays too further up the pitch and involves very little in our build up play. But he is great at providing final balls and scoring goals, he is still the biggest assists for us.
Greenwood - he could be great backup for Ronaldo, or rotate with Bruno and moves further up front, or make a great impact subs. It will be big loss without him on the pitch, but we have to fix our midfield, that's our top top priority.
Rashford - I think he could rotate with Bruno and moves further up front, and make a great impact subs. His pace would be great assists, but unfortunately we have to sacrifice our our wing forward players to pack more numbers in midfield.
Cavani - he could be great backup for Ronaldo, or rotate with Bruno and moves further up front, or make a great impact subs. I think his pressing is very valuable to the team, but he seems having some fitness issues too.
Sancho - put him to our reserve. He doesn't deserve to be anywhere near our first team as of now. 0 contribution in our attack after 10 games. Totally useless.
Martial - bench warmer, nothing more nothing less.
VDB - play him instead of Fred, he is good at passing the ball around, and offering us much more in build up play than Fred.
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"We weren't good enough with second balls, 50-50s, the things that make you earn a right to win a game of football.
"We spoke about that today before the game, this is a game you have to win loads of them and unfortunately, we couldn't get the 50-50s turning our way."
He really does talk like we're Burnley... like everything on a football pitch is purely the result of how hard you try (we don't btw) and how lucky you get with 50/50s.
Nothing about controlling a game, an organised team press, defensive positioning, an actual functional attack.
"We spoke about that today before the game, this is a game you have to win loads of them and unfortunately, we couldn't get the 50-50s turning our way."
He really does talk like we're Burnley... like everything on a football pitch is purely the result of how hard you try (we don't btw) and how lucky you get with 50/50s.
Nothing about controlling a game, an organised team press, defensive positioning, an actual functional attack.
How about actually doing some quality work in training rather than just putting players on field without any actual plan and just trying different formations and hoping somehow it would work, unfortunately it mostly doesn't even if you have the quality we have .
Of course they are conceding far too many goals. Maguire not match fit today, Varane out. Wan Bissaka has limitations. I thought midfield played reasonably well today, Pogba and Matic (till he ran out of steam). Tashford looks sharp. Ronaldo has unbalanced the team IMO. May all be academic if he can’t turn results around.
Greenwood should not be dropped though. He's been too good this season to be backup.
McFred only midfield
No Pogba/Bruno starting together with CR7
Ronaldo impact sub more often
Expect to see more playing time for Lingard, Cavani and Rashford
Those would be my guesses
No Pogba/Bruno starting together with CR7
Ronaldo impact sub more often
Expect to see more playing time for Lingard, Cavani and Rashford
Those would be my guesses
That whole post-match interview seemed like Ole is the one asking questions rather than the one answering with solutions. He is telling things like "if it happens once, it can be attributed to luck but these performances have been regular and we need to understand why."
I mean, that's what a pundit would say after analysing our performances. That's what we are saying that it's not good enough and it's a trait now as to how bad we are. What's the cause is what we want to know and Ole seems as clueless about it as the rest of us. Absolutely crazy that a manager in an interview seems so devoid of ideas and causes of our issues. Gives me a sense that he is done here and he knows it.
I mean, that's what a pundit would say after analysing our performances. That's what we are saying that it's not good enough and it's a trait now as to how bad we are. What's the cause is what we want to know and Ole seems as clueless about it as the rest of us. Absolutely crazy that a manager in an interview seems so devoid of ideas and causes of our issues. Gives me a sense that he is done here and he knows it.
He's not lying. He probably knows just as much as the rest of us what makes a good team. It's one thing to watch from a distance, whether you're a player or a fan, its' another thing entirely to implement it correctly. It also doesn't help that he continues to persist, whether he has any choice in the matter or not, with Carrick and McKenna who are woefully out of their depth.
His comments alone yesterday were a sackable offence at any big club not named Barca, but at least they have an excuse in the fact they're financially destroyed and are unable to sack Koeman (who is their version of Ole)
This says it all really. Yes he is the best finisher in training blah blah but in actual games, most of his shots are tame and right at the keeper (or he takes the shot when he should pass). Compare our front 3s finishing to Liverpools front 3. Its coaching, simple as. If Klopp had our front 3 they would be banging goals in.
Oles tactics for the attackers seems to be 'go out there and express yourself lads, remember 1999, remember Fergie' which good strikers can do but they also need decent coaching and fresh ideas. If they feel that they are not being led by a good manager discontent will spread like wild fire in the dressing room.
These lads clearly like Ole but they also have careers to think of. See how much they like him when we are fighting for top 6 and the Europa league. It's mad that we have to wait for this before action is taken. He is not good enough, most people know this in the country. Rival fans are buzzing that we gave him a fresh contract. Says it all really.
Ole's post match interviews really aren't a cause for optimism are they. I mean it seems he's as clueless as the fans are, maybe this, maybe that, we need to understand why, blah blah blah. Don't know how the players react to seeing their manager talking like that.
He's had an excellent season so far. And there's no player whose every shot is lethal. But of course we have a manager who isn't good enough that I agree with
He is joint 5th on the premier league top scorers chart with 4 goals from 8 matches and 50% accuracy. Brilliant? He is OK at this level. Maybe at academy level or in the future brilliant, but not at the moment.
Well he's been our best attacker so there's that. In a disjointed and poorly managed team. Joint 5th at a young age, playing from wide and contributing a lot of our general play, keep it going Greenwood.
As long as we have Ole as our manager, we won’t be improving much from our training.
Sure, but then we will be outnumbered and outplayed in midfield again. Something has to be given in, before we would able to buy new reinforcement in midfield.
We don't need a manager who is just figuring this out after 3 years. He should have been ahead of these issues. Apparently he and his shit team (Phelan, Carrick & McKenna) are seemingly getting aware of these problems slower than the fanbase are.
It's shocking.
I think the ultimate litmus test is just whether there's any demand for Ole and the lucky shites Phelan Carrick McKenna outside of MUFC. I can't imagine a top club eager to snap any of them up. We are a charity. A business feeding nostalgia to its fans.
It's shocking.
I think the ultimate litmus test is just whether there's any demand for Ole and the lucky shites Phelan Carrick McKenna outside of MUFC. I can't imagine a top club eager to snap any of them up. We are a charity. A business feeding nostalgia to its fans.
It simply doesn't matter who we play unfortunately it's no longer the question of two or three man midfield we have been clueless on field for long time Under Solskjaer it's not gonna change with formation change .
Sure, but the sad reality is, we won’t sack Ole any time soon, maybe until we loss something like 10 games in a row, or mathematically impossible to finish top 4. Meanwhile we still have a season to play, something has to be done to lessen the damage.