Old Trafford revamp/could be torn down and rebuilt according to Glazer plans

What’s your preference for Old Trafford?

  • Rebuild

    Votes: 714 48.4%

  • Renovate

    Votes: 736 49.9%

  • Leave it as is

    Votes: 26 1.8%
  • Total voters
    1,476
Red in STL said:
And would likely be worse for a new stadium because it'll be further away from most of the current public transprt
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There has been some big improvements to the metrolink which has helped. With the continued development of Salford Quays I'm sure improved transport links can form part of the plan.

Edit - assuming if it's a new stadium it will still be located in Old Trafford.
 
Bert_ said:
There has been some big improvements to the metrolink which has helped. With the continued development of Salford Quays I'm sure improved transport links can form part of the plan.
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I'm sure but I think there's still going to be a big problem if the capacity jumps up substantially, especially if the village is also built because I would think car parking spaces would be reduced quite a bit given the stadium would likely be where some of the current car parks are - not unsurmountable but could be costly
 
Red in STL said:
I'm sure but I think there's still going to be a big problem if the capacity jumps up substantially, especially if the village is also built because I would think car parking spaces would be reduced quite a bit given the stadium would likely be where some of the current car parks are - not unsurmountable but could be costly
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Car parking will be always be a problem. It is now. Same for a lot of stadium built in urban areas over 100 years ago before people had cars.

Improving public transport will help a lot though. Park and ride should be looked at too.

An underground car park might help but I'm not sure that's feasible given the water table around OT.
 
Bert_ said:
The Qataris know all about air-conned stadiums though aparently :wenger:
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Yeah but they won't be able to bring in the immigrants to build it, all the Poles have gone home so you're left with ...
 
I was vehemently against knocking down OT as it is home and one of the most iconic places on earth, but our own version of that Colts stadium would be pretty special.
 
I'd like us to have the highest average attendance in world football which at the moment is Barca on 82,000 but normally it's Dortmund on 80,000.

So a capacity of 85,000 to 90,000 should be enough
 
90k sounds doable, but I don't know how the area would cope with another 15k as people have mentioned. It's a bit mad as is.
 
next_number_seven said:
I'd like us to have the highest average attendance in world football which at the moment is Barca on 82,000 but normally it's Dortmund on 80,000.

So a capacity of 85,000 to 90,000 should be enough
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We already do:

1st - United 73,690
2nd - Barca 71,564
3rd - Dortmund 62,894
4th - West Ham 61,118
5th - Bayern 60,362
6th - Tottenham 60,094
7th - Arsenal 60,028
8th - Celtic 58,480
9th - Inter 58,464
10th AC Milan 57,748

https://khelnow.com/football/2023-0...clubs-with-highest-average-attendance-in-2022

I’d love for us to expand to 90,000 maybe higher just for the dick swinging contest.
 
redcucumber said:
90k sounds doable, but I don't know how the area would cope with another 15k as people have mentioned. It's a bit mad as is.
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The Qataris have my vote if they can put on double trams with more frequency on a match day, I’m easily pleased.

the transport and roads are horrendous would need some serious work in all honesty and that’s only happening in the short to medium turn under the state funding.
 
The Qataris would probably want an 100k+ stadium so they can brag they are the first to host over 100k. The difference maybe 50 to 100 mill would make to go that bit higher would be chicken feed to them.
 
Red in STL said:
Yeah but they won't be able to bring in the immigrants to build it, all the Poles have gone home so you're left with ...
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"Nah mate, can't put plugs in this brickwork. Walls too thick innit?"

"It's a simple job, friend. It's a shelf to display cheese on. Please just drill the holes and-"

"This bloke don't even speak English. You ain't making sense mate. Can't get the right fixings for brick this thick until Friday mate and I've got another job that day so I'll come back six weeks from now to finish it."

"The season starts tomorrow, friend. The stadium can't legally open until you put this cheese shelf up."

"Facking hell mate, you ain't making sense. The bricks too thick, can't be done. You ain't got a clue wot England is about. Where did you go to school?!"

"I graduated from Cambridge."

"Facking hell."
 
Withnail said:
I've heard the rugby players say it can get a bit humid in the Millennium stadium when the roof is closed but I didn't think it would be enough to affect the supporters.
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The retractable roof stadiums I have visited were more like an umbrella than a roof. They don’t have, and don’t need, a/c. Maybe it gets hotter in Manchester than Seattle, for example, but I’m guessing probably not by enough to make a difference.
 
Spurs filled English club record 85k+ when they played home games in Wembley. Hence I think United can fill a 100k stadium.
 
Waywestofthere said:
The retractable roof stadiums I have visited were more like an umbrella than a roof. They don’t have, and don’t need, a/c. Maybe it gets hotter in Manchester than Seattle, for example, but I’m guessing probably not by enough to make a difference.
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Ironically given it's nickname Manchester doesn't get as much rain!
 
I bet they'll go for 92,000 capacity cos of class of 92.

Has anyone here been in stadiums that large?

Is there a law of diminishing returns?

Like after a certain point, it's not worth the extra attendance?

I've been to normal size stadiums like 40 to 50,000 and in the nosebleeds the view isn't great, you'd be better off at home
 
next_number_seven said:
I bet they'll go for 92,000 capacity cos of class of 92.

Has anyone here been in stadiums that large?

Is there a law of diminishing returns?

Like after a certain point, it's not worth the extra attendance?

I've been to normal size stadiums like 40 to 50,000 and in the nosebleeds the view isn't great, you'd be better off at home
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Being at home is never the same as being there, back row at 90K Wembley is like watching ants at the other end, Wembley with 100k and standing wasn't any better
 
Red in STL said:
Being at home is never the same as being there, back row at 90K Wembley is like watching ants at the other end, Wembley with 100k and standing wasn't any better
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That's my thinking, after a certain point you're just ripping people off selling them tickets so far from the pitch.

I think low 80,000s is the max. Similar to Dortmund.
Fans close to pitch, steep stands.

A standing terrace of 25,000 in the Stretford End. Maybe a standing terrace at either end if possible. I'm not sure. I know the disability section must be incorporated.

That would be perfect in my opinion.

Initially I wanted to keep the old stadium because of history and soul and culture etc but I think we're just better starting from scratch.

It can be zero carbon and recycled water and anything else people might want.
 
I've sat right at the back at Wembley and it was fine. Obviously closer the better but its easily watchable
 
next_number_seven said:
That's my thinking, after a certain point you're just ripping people off selling them tickets so far from the pitch.
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I disagree, I stood on the second back row at the Nou Camp last week and I'd much rather have been in the stadium than watching on TV.
 
I've thought about this and I think the best option is build a brand new stadium at OT with a capacity of 80,000+.

I'd keep the old OT. It has too much history to demolish.
Keep the South Stand as I think it's the most historic and parts of it go back to 1910.

Then reduce the capacity of the other stands to whatevers needed. Maybe 20,000
The old OT will be used for women's, youths, reserves etc.
Women's football has growth potential and I think playing in such an iconic stadium would give it a boost and attract players.

It's also cool for Youth prospects.
Then we're retaining all the soul and history whilst getting a brand new stadium at same time. Best of both worlds.

Imagine we're trying to attract talent for the youth teams and we can say "you get to play on same pitch as Best, Ronaldo, Rooney" etc.
it's completely unique
 
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Good idea keeping the old stand at OT If we do rebuild a new stadium. It will be interesting to see how the plans go especially with new ownership on the cards
 
It definitely needs a big renovation.
The way the roof slopes down blocking the fans view is very old fashioned.

When you see Wembley yesterday, you know what's possible.
Maybe a bit smaller than Wembley, steeper, closer to the pitch
 
Red in STL said:
Sit in enclosed space for for a while with a few people and then then imagine 90K people, trust me you'll want A/C
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Yep you will, the principality in Cardiff has it if I can remember when the roof is closed in there even in winter it throws off some heat.
 
The main issue has always been the Railway track. There have been a few mock ups on YouTube etc that show the current stadium can be revamped cost wise it would probably be cheaper to knock OT down and build a new one.
 
JinnerJamie said:
We already do:

1st - United 73,690
2nd - Barca 71,564
3rd - Dortmund 62,894
4th - West Ham 61,118
5th - Bayern 60,362
6th - Tottenham 60,094
7th - Arsenal 60,028
8th - Celtic 58,480
9th - Inter 58,464
10th AC Milan 57,748

https://khelnow.com/football/2023-0...clubs-with-highest-average-attendance-in-2022

I’d love for us to expand to 90,000 maybe higher just for the dick swinging contest.
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These averages for the German teams must include Covid restrictions. Bayern is always sold out at 75k and Dortmund is over 81k on average.
 
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