Oil Money in Football | New City expose

In other news the sky is grey in Manchester.

FFP was an idiotic and non-workable idea in the first place, that set out merely to prevent investment/competition and solidify the status quo in perpetuaity; rather than to protect clubs from financial destruction which was the main aim.

It was obvious from the word go that the governing body couldn't tell City that their obviously inflated sponsorship deals weren't "fair value". They'd just argue they were and would point of Bayern/United etc as examples of clubs with similarly huge commercial deals. That's when lawyers would be involved which would only end one way.

Outside investment is fantastic for Football as we've seen with the popularity and fierce competition in the Premier League; however clubs do need to be protected against unscrupulous owners who leave clubs in a dire financial situation. FFP did absolutely nothing to prevent this as by the time sanctions are introduced (if ever) a club would already be too far gone if an owner pulled their support.
 
Not sure what the laughing smilies are about. PSG are becoming a more globally popular team.

Quite a few people are wearing PSG shirts now, a lot of them being kids, when a decade ago you would have never seen that. It won’t happen overnight, but for the younger generation coming up, PSG is one of the teams getting more and more support. If they continue buying players like Neymar their popularity will only continue to increase.
 
Cloud7 said:
Not sure what the laughing smilies are about. PSG are becoming a more globally popular team.

Quite a few people are wearing PSG shirts now, a lot of them being kids, when a decade ago you would have never seen that. It won’t happen overnight, but for the younger generation coming up, PSG is one of the teams getting more and more support. If they continue buying players like Neymar their popularity will only continue to increase.
Click to expand...
Based on what? A league nobody watches or Europe where they're routinely dumped out by the first big side they face?
 
cyberman said:
Based on what? A league nobody watches or Europe where they're routinely dumped out by the first big side they face?
Click to expand...

Based on jersey sales, or foreign broadcasting deals for exemple. Not on unsubstantiated arguments like yours. Man Utd is apparently one of the top clubs in the world from a marketing standpoint, despite poor results for years now.
 
finneh said:
In other news the sky is grey in Manchester.

FFP was an idiotic and non-workable idea in the first place, that set out merely to prevent investment/competition and solidify the status quo in perpetuaity; rather than to protect clubs from financial destruction which was the main aim.

It was obvious from the word go that the governing body couldn't tell City that their obviously inflated sponsorship deals weren't "fair value". They'd just argue they were and would point of Bayern/United etc as examples of clubs with similarly huge commercial deals. That's when lawyers would be involved which would only end one way.

Outside investment is fantastic for Football as we've seen with the popularity and fierce competition in the Premier League; however clubs do need to be protected against unscrupulous owners who leave clubs in a dire financial situation. FFP did absolutely nothing to prevent this as by the time sanctions are introduced (if ever) a club would already be too far gone if an owner pulled their support.
Click to expand...

I don't agree. If you take PSG as an exemple, we all knew the QTA contract was inflated, but UEFA lowered it and forced PSG to find other sources of funding such as deals with Nike/Jordan etc. and apparently they won't be able to renew the QTA contract after 2019, meaning we'll have to have a form of independance from Qatar's money. It did offer some kind of protection.
 
Oly Francis said:
Based on jersey sales, or foreign broadcasting deals for exemple. Not on unsubstantiated arguments like yours. Man Utd is apparently one of the top clubs in the world from a marketing standpoint, despite poor results for years now.
Click to expand...
What's unsubstantiated? You're the making the claims here
 
cyberman said:
What's unsubstantiated? You're the making the claims here
Click to expand...

"a league nobody watches", that's subjective and unsubstantiated. Compared to what it was 10 years ago, far more people watch L1. It's still far from PL or Liga but it's getting better.

I'm not making claims, there's number showing that jersey sales are increasing every year, that more and more people watch PSG games, that it's getting more popular in asia our south america etc.

I travel a lot and never saw a PSG jersey in the streets (a least after Ronaldinho), now I can see them in north africa, Brasil, Argentina, in the US etc. So yes, PSG is becoming a more globally popular team. We're still behind Barcelone, Real Juventus, Bayer or Man Utd but it's improving every year.
 
To be fair, whenever I'm abroad I do tend to see a lot of PSG shirts about.

Still no City shirts though.
 
http://m.spiegel.de/international/m...-rules-to-the-tune-of-millions-a-1236346.html

Apparently, companies like Etihad in Abu Dhabi wait for the Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG), the holding company that belongs to Sheikh Mansour and which also owns Manchester City, to wire them money. That money is then "routed through the partners and they then forward onto us," wrote Finance Director Andrew Widdowson in an email. That, at least, is how things were done in 2015: At the time, the deal with Etihad was bringing in 67.5 million pounds annually. But Chief Financial Officer Chumillas emphasized in an email to Pearce: "Please note that out of those 67.5m pounds, 8m pounds should be funded directly by Etihad and 59.5 by ADUG."
Click to expand...

This is so hilariously illegal :lol:
 
Oly Francis said:
"a league nobody watches", that's subjective and unsubstantiated. Compared to what it was 10 years ago, far more people watch L1. It's still far from PL or Liga but it's getting better.

I'm not making claims, there's number showing that jersey sales are increasing every year, that more and more people watch PSG games, that it's getting more popular in asia our south america etc.

I travel a lot and never saw a PSG jersey in the streets (a least after Ronaldinho), now I can see them in north africa, Brasil, Argentina, in the US etc. So yes, PSG is becoming a more globally popular team. We're still behind Barcelone, Real Juventus, Bayer or Man Utd but it's improving every year.
Click to expand...
Well I'm well travelled and I have yet to see a PSG shirt anywhere.
And yes, nobody watches French football in the context that you're claiming. Why would the 4th / 5th most viewed league in the world carry so much weight that its propelling PSG to these dizzy heights?
Its utter nonsense.
 
cyberman said:
Well I'm well travelled and I have yet to see a PSG shirt anywhere.
And yes, nobody watches French football in the context that you're claiming. Why would the 4th / 5th most viewed league in the world carry so much weight that its propelling PSG to these dizzy heights?
Its utter nonsense.
Click to expand...

I've seen PSG shirts with Neymar on the back on kids in the arse end of Ireland. That black one from Jordan is already pretty common. I had my son at an u-12's blitz recently and there was at least 3 out of maybe 150 kids.
 
Oly Francis said:
I don't agree. If you take PSG as an exemple, we all knew the QTA contract was inflated, but UEFA lowered it and forced PSG to find other sources of funding such as deals with Nike/Jordan etc. and apparently they won't be able to renew the QTA contract after 2019, meaning we'll have to have a form of independance from Qatar's money. It did offer some kind of protection.
Click to expand...

The QTA agreement was different. That was done intentionally to antagonise the governing body. They could have split the deal into a dozen deals with different Qatari companies worth £15m each, but such as is the case with powerful people; they didn't just want to tiptoe around the rules, they wanted to highlight the absurdity of them by smashing them with a sledgehammer.

Since the absurd Etihad deal was announced City became a lot more subtle in agreeing maybe 8-10 deals each worth £15-20m above their fair value (TCA Abu Dhabi, Etisalat, Etihad, Saudi Bank, Aabar, First Gulf Bank etc), rather than one that is worth £150m more.

In terms of not being able to renew the QTA deal, that's irrelevant. This money can be diverted into 15 sponsorship deals with Qatari companies worth £15m each. Same meat with a more palatable gravy to pacify the governing bodies. It's then legally bulletproof.
 
padr81 said:
I've seen PSG shirts with Neymar on the back on kids in the arse end of Ireland. That black one from Jordan is already pretty common. I had my son at an u-12's blitz recently and there was at least 3 out of maybe 150 kids.
Click to expand...
Im in the north and literally have not seen one and I've seen a kid wearing a LA Lakers shirt to training within the last month!
 
Try to sell that on tv Premier League. Just try.

Their product is broken anyway.
 
So who do the normal clubs complain to? CAS? EU-commissioner?

I guess not UEFA, now that Infantino is in charge and involved at the same time?

Also a problem that the leaks are obtained in underground-ways I'd guess?
 
cyberman said:
Im in the north and literally have not seen one and I've seen a kid wearing a LA Lakers shirt to training within the last month!
Click to expand...

There were at least 3 when we travelled to Galway and I've seen the odd one elsewhere on kids. In fairness it's alway Neymar and I'd suspect its more buying a Neymar shirt than a PSG one but I had to point that out. In fact I see about the same level of Neymar shirts as I do City (well behind United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Barca and Real) but they're probably the next most popular in the south west.
 
These leaks are leaving a rotten taste in my mouth if I'm honest. As a fan, I really feel I need to know how much of this is legit and I'd kill to see said emails.
 
Is anyone genuinely shocked about this? Dont get me wrong, I'm chuffed this has came to light, but we all knew City were up to no good. The club is bent as hell.
 
A Neymar shirt is not the same thing as a PSG shirt. He is bigger than the club.
 
KM said:
http://m.spiegel.de/international/m...-rules-to-the-tune-of-millions-a-1236346.html



This is so hilariously illegal :lol:
Click to expand...

City fans will stay say everything is above board, I like this part:

But Manchester City is no normal club. Costs and debt? None of that matters. And should a shortfall emerge, sponsors from the owner's home country simply send more money over. Penalties are only for those who get caught. To dodge UEFA sanctions, Man City management came up with a few creative proposals. "We could do a backdated deal for the next two years (...) paid up front," suggested club executive Simon Pearce. CEO Ferran Soriano, meanwhile, suggested having sponsors pay the team the contractually obligated bonus for winning the FA cup -- even though Man City hadn't won.
Click to expand...
 
Surely nobody is shocked and nothing will be done about it either.
 
I feel like these "leaks" are just old information dressed up as fresh and seismic revelations? The FFP/UEFA stuff is nothing. They threatened to kick us out of the Champions' League so we threatened to take them to court, so UEFA backed down and capped our spending instead (which we still fecked up by freezing out Nastasic and paying £40m for Mangala before blaming UEFA for our underachievement with Pellegrini). This was covered extensively at the time. Google "Jean-Louis Dupont, Manchester City" and you'll return enough results to form a picture.

And as many of you in this thread have already stated, it's hardly a surprise that capitalists who are interested in nothing but creating money for themselves and hoarding wealth would exploit pre-existing loopholes to get ahead. It's shady, it's morally bankrupt, but probably still "legal". The people who run City drive through Beswick to get to the Etihad, which is one of the poorest areas in the country, and they still increase season ticket prices year on year. It's hardly a shock that they'd cook the books a bit and those with the power to punish us for doing such a thing are likely already well aware and involved in similar dealings. It's common practise at the top of the game to be corrupt as feck so nothing will happen.
 
Last edited:
Soriano is a genius though. Increased commercial revenue of city like he did at Barca :lol:
 
roonster09 said:
Soriano is a genius though. Increased commercial revenue of city like he did at Barca :lol:
Click to expand...

ah yeah he is. He's might be a morally bankrupt genius but nonetheless the proof is in his results.
 
Surely if it can be proven that the signings were financed by illegitimate money, anything said squad won can be revoked?
 
padr81 said:
ah yeah he is. He's might be a morally bankrupt genius but nonetheless the proof is in his results.
Click to expand...

Taking owners money and showing increased revenue?

Or is it about onfield success which has nothing to with this thread?
 
An absolute mockery of football fans in the uk that this doesn't get a mention from 'journalists' here. Pretending its verified its shameful stuff it make me sick that they just stroll every game while having cheated every other team in the country. Plastic joke club.
 
SER19 said:
An absolute mockery of football fans in the uk that this doesn't get a mention from 'journalists' here. Pretending its verified its shameful stuff it make me sick that they just stroll every game while having cheated every other team in the country. Plastic joke club.
Click to expand...

The other 19 should refuse to play them.
 
Kostur said:
Funny it's Der Spiegel that has to uncover such shit and go into such details. Where are the famous brave British journos to investigate?
Click to expand...
Waiting for their bosses to sign off on carrying out investigations
 
Kostur said:
Funny it's Der Spiegel that has to uncover such shit and go into such details. Where are the famous brave British journos to investigate?
Click to expand...
Der Spiegel's investigative work pretty much consists of getting access to hacked documents though, even if for legal purposes they have to act like they weren't hacked.
 
SqualorVictoria said:
Der Spiegel's investigative work pretty much consists of getting access to hacked documents though, even if for legal purposes they have to act like they weren't hacked.
Click to expand...

Shouldn't stop the same cnuts who had no problem with hacking into a dead girl's phone now though should it?
 
Conn has today written an article decrying the unlimited greed and subterfuge of the major clubs. Predictably, City are not named at all.
 
Whiskey Red said:
City fans will stay say everything is above board, I like this part:
Click to expand...
Those City execs must be real proud of the extraordinarily smart work they do. Perhaps they pat each others backs each time the next payment comes rolling in from a UAE account!
 
SteveJ said:
Conn has today written an article decrying the unlimited greed and subterfuge of the major clubs. Predictably, City are not named at all.
Click to expand...
Que surprise. Not sure why a lot of people consider him as the beacon of investigative football journalism.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.