I've never in My life seen a game so blatantly fixed. Barcelona are UEFA's golden boys and they will get away with everything as usual. Karma will probably catch up with them in the end.
Official: FC Barcelona charged with Corruption over payments to former referees chief | UEFA open investigation
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Damn Niemans. Flo and co. must really be incompetent when 90% of refs are pro Madrid and despite Barca managed to win 16 league titles since the 90s while Madrid measly 10.
Barca corrupt? Surprised to hear this
What? Those are the same things mate. Moggi was acquitted on 2 counts and "escaped" on a third due to the statute of limitations expiring. He was declared not guilty. He was declared so because of a lack of evidence to convict him in a penal court(meaning jail). Because circumstantial evidence is not enough to sentence one to jail. Because the court must prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt for that
What is von Neumann doing defending Barca on Manchester United forum anyway?
I remember being outraged for you that night. It’s not often a ref can make you feel empathy for a rival in Europe, but that game and the Chelsea “fecking disgrace” matches did so - both against Barcelona.
I get what you mean, but on the other hand, if Barca get off with only a symbolic slap to the wrist, then that could be detrimental to La Liga also.
What's to stop other teams doing it if precedent is set that bribing refs is only a minor offence? I think the league would have no option but to throw the book at them to deter future wrongdoings. Massive points deductions, relegation etc.
Chelsea match is the obvious one that looks suspicious, but you should check out Barca vs Eibar in 2017 for a laugh if you don't know the game I'm talking about. One of the worst penalty decisions I've ever seen awarded, compounded with the award of a second penalty for a dive to Barca.
Other teams would not be able to get away with it. Barcelona will, Real Madrid would, any other team would be relegated with massive financial penalty as well.
There are two parties that received money from Barca and could have had influence over refs as we discussed previously:
They are Negreira (former ref VP) and his son (until a month ago he would still take the refs to Camp Nou, talk to them prior to games and was also a mental coach to La Liga refs)
In 1992 Negreira's son had an interview in Mundo Deportivo (biggest Barca-centered newspaper) and he explained how his father had granted him the possibility to train for La Masía.
The interview reads 'It really isn't a case of influence peddling...'
Strange right?
They are Negreira (former ref VP) and his son (until a month ago he would still take the refs to Camp Nou, talk to them prior to games and was also a mental coach to La Liga refs)
In 1992 Negreira's son had an interview in Mundo Deportivo (biggest Barca-centered newspaper) and he explained how his father had granted him the possibility to train for La Masía.
The interview reads 'It really isn't a case of influence peddling...'
Strange right?
So what will be the consequences? Nothing because they are Barca ?
There is no thinking here. Both Barca and Negreira have accepted paying and having been paid millions during almost two decades.
As for the reason of these payments see the document below:
I would specially refer you to the 7th column, where they charged Barca 145,200.00€ for recording and viewing the Brazil 2014 World Cup.
All these years I have done if for free and I could be a millionaire...
Most of the time they were charged for the production of technical videos (referring to refereering and things like that). Well, the prosecution asked for proof of these videos and they couldn't find any. Proof of this:
Extra: This Barca official tweet from years ago reads:
"Piqué: 'we don't use PEDs, we don't dive and we don't bribe refs' ". Just look at all the recent comments.
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The 'best manager in the world', the 'best player in history', and they still had to cheat.
More than a club indeed.
A crime syndicate.
More than a club indeed.
A crime syndicate.
After all that Bendtner missed an absolute sitter in the last minute to put Barca out. That miss changed United history funnily enough
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It would only be right to award us the 2 cl finals.
Read the fecking sentence? He was CLEARED of bribing and match fixing and acquitted of conspiracy (he with him and himself, apparently, because all the other were cleared by the ordinary justice in the years following calciopoli).
However, all this just to say again, for all parties interested: do not wish & do not hold your breath for any rushed, hang-at-the-nearest-tree deliberation from private/sport justice because the inevitable ordinary justice will keep matters open for years… with both City and Barcelona being muuuch more than a noisy toy to their respective owners, things would escalate very fast for real… just hope some sort of closed-door settlement is reached and football goes on as usual on the pitch.
I'm glad that they have finally been charged with this, though its a joke that more hasn't been made of this by the media.
I'm assuming the next step is an actual court case now that charges have been laid. Do we have any idea how long the spanish prosecutors normally take between charges and the next step.
Also I really have to laugh at the deluded Barcelona fans in this thread, and the other one. Its ok, we can charge you with attempted corruption as despite your bribes you were still beaten to the title a couple of times
I'm assuming the next step is an actual court case now that charges have been laid. Do we have any idea how long the spanish prosecutors normally take between charges and the next step.
Also I really have to laugh at the deluded Barcelona fans in this thread, and the other one. Its ok, we can charge you with attempted corruption as despite your bribes you were still beaten to the title a couple of times
Last paragraph is devastating for Barca
The Prosecutor's Office formalized its complaint against Fútbol Club Barcelona, Josep Maria Bartomeu , several members of its board of directors and Sandro Rosell for payments from the culé entity to José María Enríquez Negreira for almost two decades. Now, all parties face severe consequences, but the most curious thing about this great scandal that has plagued Spanish sport is the way in which it all started.
As the Prosecutor's Office reflects in its complaint, FC Barcelona tried to deduct the amounts of the invoices that were paid to Enríquez Negreira's companies and that put the Tax Agency on notice . Thus, in July 2019, the Regional Inspection Unit of the AEAT Special Delegation in Catalonia began investigations for Corporation Tax for the years 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018, and for Value Added Tax. of 2015, 2016 and 2017 for the payments made to former number 2 of the arbitrators.
The Tax Inspectorate then required a series of documents from the Catalan club to try to clarify the type of relationship between Barça and the companies of Enríquez Negreira, DASNIL 95 SL and Nisdal SCP . Thus, he requested a copy of the invoices and the forms of payment used to pay them, the object of these services provided or the contract for the provision of services.
Once the invoices were provided by Barcelona, the Tax Inspectorate also requested the identification of the professionals who developed these services, as well as a copy of the work, in this case, the alleged videos in which the arbitration proceedings were analyzed. . However, the Fútbol Club Barcelona claimed that it could not provide them as it could not find this required documentation.
For all these reasons, the Tax Inspectorate considered that the expense in Corporation Tax was not deductible in any case, nor was the VAT on any of these invoices. Therefore, it considered that "there was no connection between the expenditure made and the generation of performance."
regularization
The Prosecutor's Office also includes in its complaint that on July 21, 2021, a proposal to regularize the accounts was presented to the Barcelona Football Club, something that was accepted by the entity already chaired by Joan Laporta, the current president . Thus, a correction was made to the taxable base of the Corporate Tax that increased to €404,249.52, a figure that was increased by €52,324.74 more due to late-payment interest.
For its part, something similar happened in Value Added Tax, where FC Barcelona accepted a settlement of €473,050.11, an amount that increased by €84,991.54 more for late-payment interest. In other words, without counting these interests, the sum of money that Barça tried to deduct from these payments to Enríquez Negreira amounted to €877,299.63.
The conclusion reached by the Prosecutor's Office in its complaint is devastating, since it affirms that, despite the fact that there are payments by Barcelona, the alleged services provided do not correspond to the provision of services by the Negreira companies. In addition, it concludes that there is no "proof that proves the reality of the activity carried out" by these companies.
https://www.elespanol.com/deportes/...r-deducirse-facturas-arbitro/747425646_0.html
The Prosecutor's Office formalized its complaint against Fútbol Club Barcelona, Josep Maria Bartomeu , several members of its board of directors and Sandro Rosell for payments from the culé entity to José María Enríquez Negreira for almost two decades. Now, all parties face severe consequences, but the most curious thing about this great scandal that has plagued Spanish sport is the way in which it all started.
As the Prosecutor's Office reflects in its complaint, FC Barcelona tried to deduct the amounts of the invoices that were paid to Enríquez Negreira's companies and that put the Tax Agency on notice . Thus, in July 2019, the Regional Inspection Unit of the AEAT Special Delegation in Catalonia began investigations for Corporation Tax for the years 2015, 2016, 2017 and 2018, and for Value Added Tax. of 2015, 2016 and 2017 for the payments made to former number 2 of the arbitrators.
The Tax Inspectorate then required a series of documents from the Catalan club to try to clarify the type of relationship between Barça and the companies of Enríquez Negreira, DASNIL 95 SL and Nisdal SCP . Thus, he requested a copy of the invoices and the forms of payment used to pay them, the object of these services provided or the contract for the provision of services.
Once the invoices were provided by Barcelona, the Tax Inspectorate also requested the identification of the professionals who developed these services, as well as a copy of the work, in this case, the alleged videos in which the arbitration proceedings were analyzed. . However, the Fútbol Club Barcelona claimed that it could not provide them as it could not find this required documentation.
For all these reasons, the Tax Inspectorate considered that the expense in Corporation Tax was not deductible in any case, nor was the VAT on any of these invoices. Therefore, it considered that "there was no connection between the expenditure made and the generation of performance."
regularization
The Prosecutor's Office also includes in its complaint that on July 21, 2021, a proposal to regularize the accounts was presented to the Barcelona Football Club, something that was accepted by the entity already chaired by Joan Laporta, the current president . Thus, a correction was made to the taxable base of the Corporate Tax that increased to €404,249.52, a figure that was increased by €52,324.74 more due to late-payment interest.
For its part, something similar happened in Value Added Tax, where FC Barcelona accepted a settlement of €473,050.11, an amount that increased by €84,991.54 more for late-payment interest. In other words, without counting these interests, the sum of money that Barça tried to deduct from these payments to Enríquez Negreira amounted to €877,299.63.
The conclusion reached by the Prosecutor's Office in its complaint is devastating, since it affirms that, despite the fact that there are payments by Barcelona, the alleged services provided do not correspond to the provision of services by the Negreira companies. In addition, it concludes that there is no "proof that proves the reality of the activity carried out" by these companies.
https://www.elespanol.com/deportes/...r-deducirse-facturas-arbitro/747425646_0.html
I think this one is different though. UEFA can't have the same 2 English team in the final for 2 consecutive years.
Why did they feel the need to cheat?
Probably because while they were one of the best club sides, it helps if you cannot touch their players.In a period when they had one of the best sides ever, they still felt the need to cheat.
Guardiola certainly has a lot of ties to cheating throughout his career. Makes you wonder.
If it earnt them a buck, I wouldn’t put anything past them
Because they couldn’t financially cheat anymore by getting big fat interest free loans from Spanish banks and the PL was staring to steal the best players from under them.
Some countries/cultures have a win at all cost mentality, if they can cheat, even better because then they know they’ll hurt you also and you’ll never forget it.
Madrid have ordered an emergency board meeting
https://www.realmadrid.com/noticias...itter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organico
Looks like they’re going to come out against Barca at last
In view of the seriousness of the accusations made by the Public Prosecutor's Office of Barcelona against F. C. Barcelona and two of its presidents for the the well-founded suspicions of corruption and their relations with the former vice-president of the Technical Committee of Referees, José María Enríquez Negreira, the president has called an urgent meeting of the Board of Directors tomorrow, Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:00 noon, in order to decide on the actions that Real Madrid deems appropriate in relation to this matter.
https://www.realmadrid.com/noticias...itter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=organico
Looks like they’re going to come out against Barca at last
In view of the seriousness of the accusations made by the Public Prosecutor's Office of Barcelona against F. C. Barcelona and two of its presidents for the the well-founded suspicions of corruption and their relations with the former vice-president of the Technical Committee of Referees, José María Enríquez Negreira, the president has called an urgent meeting of the Board of Directors tomorrow, Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 12:00 noon, in order to decide on the actions that Real Madrid deems appropriate in relation to this matter.
This one was mentioned in the other thread. Here's a link for anyone interested.
Alba either trips or dives with no opposing player particularly close to him. He was given a penalty, which Barcelona failed to score.
The context: this was the final game of the 2016-2017 season. Barcelona needed to win the game and needed Real Madrid to lose or draw, in order to win the title. But they were down to Eibar 1-2 in the 69th minute, and they get this gift from the Gods.
At this point I don't take the club seriously, or La Liga (until Barca are stripped of titles). Doping and ref-buying club will never be the best team in the history of the game, only the biggest cheats.
Madrid were probably also paying refs, they are just better at covering their tracks.
Well, it looks like it started waaay before that.
The payments started in 2001. And the prosecution found that the whole affair probably came from the 1990s.
After the aberration of penalty awarded to Alba when they were 1-2 down, the got a second penalty for a Neymar dive. Barca won the game 3-2. Barca had to win that game and the ref made sure it happened?
Always a good moment to remember this:
Between 15/16 and 17/18 (114 games) Barca paid 1.6M to the ref VP. They had:
33 penalties for them 3 penalties against
23 red cards in favor 4 expulsions against
Between 18/19 and 20/21 (114 games) Barca made no payments to the ref VP. They had:
23 penalties for them 14 penalties against
15 red cards in favor 10 red cards against
In a fair world we’d be seeing the end of both Barca and City soon. 
It's strange to see this piece of news having such a small space in Marca's frontpage.
It won't matter.
People will forget about this, as they always do, tourists will still visit Camp Nou when in Barcelona, and cheer for them if they get to assemble a good team again that can compete in Europe.
People still watching EPL despite the financial doping of UAE with City, close to nobody in real life cares if they cooked books.
The discussion about reputation are mostly a social media thing.
They both need fecking off into the face of the sun. Turns out all their unprecedented was only that due to massive amounts of cheatingIn a fair world we’d be seeing the end of both Barca and City soon.
No one cares about city.
They have won the last 2 premier league titles on the bounce.
We got more attention for winning the Carabao Cup.
No one is watching the PL for city, unless they live in Stockport.
There’s no such thing as football neutrals. Juve still haven’t lived theirs down and that was a long time ago and the football world celebrated when Citys charges came out
Calciopoli covers 2 seasons... And serie A clubs didn't win any UEFA competitions in those years... In 2005, Milan lost that famous final against Pool. Pool had eliminated Juventus in the quarters with a legit goal by Del Piero ruled out for offside at Anfield (the 3-3 miracle is also a bit tainted with that dive/slip by Gerrard being awarded a penalty) ... The following year, Milan were knocked out of the semifinal by Barcelona with Sheva getting robbed a crucial goal at Campnou and Barcelona won the CL.... But Milan won it again after Calcipoli as they started the Serie A season with a penalty and basically had nothing but the CL to play for.
I would specially refer you to the 7th column, where they charged Barca 145,200.00€ for recording and viewing the Brazil 2014 World Cup.
Something interesting here is that the bills are for every month, including months in which there is no football (June, July). But then there's also the charges for 'World Cup' and 'Spanish teams in European competition' in July of 2014 and 2015 respectively.
Is the entire document available online?
Social media represent only a minuscule part of football fans.
Juventus and other italians not hitting very high again has also to do with italian economy being shit since 2007 and massive mismanagement of italian, not just Calciopoli.
Ah but you don't think corruption happened in Serie A for only 2 seasons do you? And you don't think that corruption happened only at the domestic level did you? I mean there's no proof per day, but what's to say corruption didn't happen during those years when Milan and Juventus went far in Europe?
See how I sound like a conspiracy theorist?