How do I become a La Liga referee? Seems to be an incredibly lucrative job judging by this thread.
Official: FC Barcelona charged with Corruption over payments to former referees chief | UEFA open investigation
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"Catalan corruption: we're way better at this than anyone else!"
I have said that the referees were not bought by Barcelona and that in various leagues Barcelona should have won without refereeing errors against them and in favor of Real Madrid.
And I was saying it after the argument of several Real Madrid users that Barcelona had bought the referees because they had not been whistled for a penalty for two years.
And according to the argument of these Madridistas from the forum, since no penalty was called, then Barcelona was favored. Without analyzing anything at all.
And I have put images and videos where Barcelona was harmed and Madrid favored and you said that you did not need to see them.
I already said I don't know if Barcelona were favored or not, and that Justice should determine that in case they are able to do so.
At this point it would be more interesting if you answered why Barcelona was paying Negreira huge amounts of money to start with.
No, it came as an aswer to my post when it was completely unrelated and on top of that, it was a post-Negreira chart.
You assumed Iturralde's view was providing some sort of insight, which is ok. So I added Roures view (who is not suspect of having an anti Barcelona bias) who has the opposite opinion, to complement it.
Pérez urged him to join him in a separate room in the Santiago Bernabéu stadium, but the referee refused to do so unless his assistants were present.
Iturralde González says Perez said: "I only ask one thing of referees, that you give me the same treatment as you do Barça."
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Keep going, nothing to see.
Iturralde González says Perez said: "I only ask one thing of referees, that you give me the same treatment as you do Barça."
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Keep going, nothing to see.
They were wiretapping them and caught them choosing which referees to select. That's as close as you're going to get to proof!
Excuse me if you already told me. As you can imagine, I am getting so many mentions that I no longer know who tells me this or who tells me that, except for a few exceptions. I should take a couple of days off
You don't need to bribe the whole arbitration organization.
That organisation had the same president for 25 years (1993-2018) and the same single VP for 24 years (1994-2018). According to Roures, a prominent Barca socio and very involved in anything regarding Spanish soccer, Negreira was the one making the ref reports.
According to former ref Sanchez Martínez he was the one to call the refs and notify them of their careers progressions and downgrades, and he would also tell what they did well and what mistakes they made.
Another former ref pointed out that the progressions and downgrades were not made according to the category and qualities of the refs and that they were surprised about who would be promoted and who would not.
And we have seen many examples of exactly this.
I posted an article with more than 20 examples of refs being punished or promoted after mistakes that harmed or benefitted Barca. Messier1994 posted a video discussing the very same thing. A ref had to resign after all the pressure he received from the ref committee (of which Negreira was the VP) for not sending out Mourinho on a game!!
So yeah, you don't have to bribe the whole ref committee. Just someone with power within it so that refs know what will get them punished and what will get them promoted.
You don't have to bribe the refs personally but this may also have happened every once in a while. Let's remember Negreira would withdraw 20k€ in cash monthly. All while his own son had access to said refs: he was a mental coach for la Liga refs and would take them personally to the Camp Nou.
Negreira saying he had no bias towards Barcelona after receiving money from them is just about as believable as @Niemans being able to support both Celta Vigo and Barcelona equally.
The guy's entire argument is to create a strawman by arguing against the most extreme and nonsensical interpretion of events.
Barcelona "paid to influence referees" transforms into "Barcelona paid a bribe to every single person involved in refereeing."
Barcelona "received refereeing benefits" transforms into "Barcelona paid so that every single decision favored them."
Barcelona "paid to influence referees" transforms into "Barcelona paid a bribe to every single person involved in refereeing."
Barcelona "received refereeing benefits" transforms into "Barcelona paid so that every single decision favored them."
In Spain it is very common to be a fan of the team where you were born and after Madrid or Barcelona mainly.
This thread is more entertaining than the last el Classico - it’s getting rather tasty in here
I ask you again how the referees knew that they had to favor Barcelona?
In order to advance in this discussion, you have to answer this, which is the most basic of all.
feck all will happen
Any chance you could answer the questions of Sir Reginald?
Don't think I'm on your side here! Barcelona are as guilty as sin, I'm just saying they don't have quite the same level of proof they did in Italy.
And this is all before you get into the blatant doping that's been going on in all Spanish sport for years.
This thread is more entertaining than the last el Classico - it’s getting rather tasty in here
And that you are seeing my serious part, if I start with my funniest part here everyone will hate me and more Rimaldo because I still compete with him, I say maybe. I think he could have been the seventh Monty Python at the time, he's talented.
Still positive about it? He is a spambot, a pr guy which won't be a surprise move by the most shameless club.
Do you know where the rumor that Barcelona was doping came from? I do. But don't tell me you're going to have to force me to make another post and look for more links...
Intelligent, funny AND incredibly humbleAnd that you are seeing my serious part, if I start with my funniest part here everyone will hate me and more Rimaldo because I still compete with him, I say maybe. I think he could have been the seventh Monty Python at the time, he's talented.
But trying to influence what referee is in charge and having them ref in their favour are two separate matters? On one hand you have a phone call from Moggi (?) complaining about referees decisions against them versus literally millions of euros of bribes paid by Barca?
Juve deserved to be punished but I don’t think anything proved referees were compromised unless I’m misremembering the entire thing
You would be surprised to read that it was actually the case for…. Milan!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calciopoli
I hope he's getting paid for this, that's all I have to say.
Probably one of the most impressive performances on this forum I ve seen. Most people tend to just do a drive by because they have enough shame to not continue posting if they can't / won't answer certain posts.
There's a very selective vision here...
Ok, tell me why you still have no proof of his services despite being asked in 2019 according to another poster above.
That’s four years ago.
Don’t run away and pop your head up every time you think you have an angle.
Do you know where the rumor that Barcelona was doping came from? I do. But don't tell me you're going to have to force me to make another post and look for more links...
Yes, from the doctor who did it. He even offered to provide proof until the Spanish court ordered the evidence to be destroyed.
https://www.futbolgate.com/investigación/footballleaks-el-moggigate-español
Refs that made mistakes that harmed Barca would get a 'nevera'. They would not ref for several weeks.
Refs that made mistakes that benefitted Barca got promoted to big games and internationally.
This is public information, we fans knew it. Certainly the refs certainly would knew it too.
That is the subtle explanation. The more direct one is what Negreira's son apparently said to the refs before a game in Camp Nou:
“You already know: here, calm down. Barcelona has a lot at stake and you can´t hesitate. You are more than prepared. You know exactly what you have to do."
Of course, and those referees are not going to denounce a person who tries to buy them.
And obviously they are going to allow themselves to be punished and stop earning hundreds of thousands of euros (by removing them from arbitration) if they do not favor Barcelona instead of denouncing this purchase attempt.
And also this must be done to many referees because obviously Barcelona throughout a season will be refereed by many referees, and also these referees must direct the most important matches to have influence. And all this without anyone reporting this purchase attempt.
I'm sorry but this argument doesn't make any sense. It lacks all logic.
Barva fans can try to deny it and confuse the issue as much as they like.
The reality is simple. The club have been trying to influence referees since 2001.
The reality is simple. The club have been trying to influence referees since 2001.
You sure? Negreira, the ref VP, declared Barca paid him to avoid any bad refereering to Barca.
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Doesn't that actually point in the direction that the referees were actually working to benefit Barça?
Mother of God that post. I understand the reason for so many atrocities. You believe information without evidence and totally biased information.
The second favor will be to reward the referees who whistle in favor of Barça and punish those who are wrong and favor Real Madrid. An indirect message, but clear to the referees.
2005 - Mejuto awarded a penalty outside the box to Eto'o against Atlético Madrid. That same year he was designated to whistle the World Cup. Although finally the Asturian referee could not attend the tournament due to an injury to one of his assistants. In other words, the whole test of a whole year is because a referee gave Barcelona a penalty outside the area and he could not go to the World Cup due to injury hahaha
2006 - Daudén Ibáñez annulled a legal goal by Perea for Atlético against Real Madrid on the day.
An error that benefited Real Madrid. The consequences for the referee? Refrigerator (sanctioned by the referees committee). In the following 14 games he only refereed one game.
Of course, because in that season Madrid only benefited once and where are all the other referees who favored Real Madrid and didn't put them in the fridge?
These are the arguments on which you base yourself to refute what you say? Awesome.
And just taking a little look over that page what a barbarity.
He got gifted a fridge for benefiting Madrid? Was it an inverter at least?
In case you didn't get it (I'm not sure, sorry), that is surely an expression that the referee got "frozen" for selections, not being allowed to be appointed for games as a punishment.
Well, potentially. It may seem outlandish (and it does, I would say) that all the refs were summoned and told to be lenient on Barca. The more likely scenario is that individual refs (in important matches) were approached and given (more or less subtle) instructions.
We don't know the details.
But we do know that Barcelona paid this guy - I mean, you don't dispute that basic fact, do you?
So, what were they paying him for? Giving lectures on the basic rules of the game?