Official: FC Barcelona charged with Corruption over payments to former referees chief | UEFA open investigation

[Niemans]

Are you saying there is no proof that Barca paid money to that guy or there is no proof that ref gave you favourable decision?

What I am saying is that there is no evidence that this money has been used to buy arbitration favors.

Let's see, I've said it many times already. Barcelona paid Negreira, that is morally and ethically unacceptable and must be sanctioned with the corresponding sanction. What is not true and I have posted videos, links and so on is the tremendous campaign here in Spain saying that Barcelona won the titles thanks to the referees. When it is the opposite, Barcelona with correct arbitrations should have four more leagues, Real Madrid three less and Atlético de Madrid one less in those 18 years of Barcelona payments to Negreira.

I have some posts pending on how to brainwash people here in Spain with several very clear and forceful examples.
Here there are no counterweights, all the general press is a Madridista and Franco worshipers, who say that he was the good man of the Spanish War. The only exception is the Grupo Prisa, which is from the other side but is also a Madridista.

 

[The Corinthian]

What I am saying is that there is no evidence that this money has been used to buy arbitration favors.



I have some posts pending on how to brainwash people here in Spain with several very clear and forceful examples.

 

[rimaldo]

I have some posts pending on how to brainwash people here in Spain with several very clear and forceful examples.

do you have any on how the earth is flat or how 9/11 was an inside job?

 

[GatoLoco]

The former First Division referee and current referee commentator on Cadena Ser, Eduardo Iturralde González, has come up against the criticism that Real Madrid's official television channel poured out on Carlos Clos Gómez and his performance every time he refereed the white team.

Thus, Iturralde has indicated that "Enríquez Negreira had no power over the referees. There are those who make statements and others who make reports on their official channel such as Real Madrid who are unworthy of what is said to be the best club in the world. That The report is low. I put my hand in the fire for Clos Gómez and not for the one who made that report because he is a sellout to his boss. Clos Gómez is a person of integrity who can be wrong against and in favor of Real Madrid and they have only taken out their mistakes", said the partner of the current director of the 'VAR Project'.


Link

Nothing new, the Real Madrid channel brainwashing its followers like this after they say the similar atrocities they say.

Very nice Iturralde's words which complement the following:



Roures: "Negreira made the reports for the CTA (referee technical comitee), on the performance of the referee, if he had done well, badly, just ok... he had the power to remove or promote the referee. He had an important role".

 

[FreckBarca]

How was this not given more coverage at the time?? There was clear daylight between the Eibar player and Alba, it could not have been anything but cheating from the referee.

It had a lot of coverage between fans, on social media etc. But... Well, we also know Barca paid 7.2M€ to newspapers, reporters, radio stations,... They have said for years (and many are still saying) that everything was normal and correct.
You can just see Niemans as a good representation of many culés. Absolutely misled.

Wouldn't it be amazing if you could get found out secretly paying refereeing officials millions of pounds over decades and get away it?

Not only get away with it. They want to be awarded the only titles other teams managed to get away from Negreira:

Then Barcelona would have 4 more leagues and Madrid 3 less and Atlético 1 less. I agree with you.

Very nice Iturralde's words which complement the following:



Roures: "Negreira made the reports for the CTA (referee technical comitee), on the performance of the referee, if he had done well, badly, just ok... he had the power to remove or promote the referee. He had an important role".

Yeah, an Roures is:
-a Barca socio.
-a warrantor for the current Barca board.
+his company singlehandedly paid for Barca's third lever
-the CEO of the company with exclusive TV rights to La Liga in Spain

it is the opposite, Barcelona with correct arbitrations should have four more leagues,



I have some posts pending on how to brainwash people here in Spain with several very clear and forceful examples.



Here there are no counterweights, all the general press is a Madridista and Franco worshipers, who say that he was the good man of the Spanish War.

WTF. WTF. This opinion came from a Barca ecochamber so deep it is actually inbred.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

What is not true and I have posted videos, links and so on is the tremendous campaign here in Spain saying that Barcelona won the titles thanks to the referees. When it is the opposite, Barcelona with correct arbitrations should have four more leagues, Real Madrid three less and Atlético de Madrid one less in those 18 years of Barcelona payments to Negreira.

Niemans, seriously, why do you keep doing this. How can you not understand that this line of reasoning destroys your credibility?

You are literally harming your club when you say this stuff.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

, Barcelona with correct arbitrations should have four more leagues, Real Madrid three less and Atlético de Madrid one less in those 18 years of Barcelona payments to Negreira.

You should look into the atrocities commited against Barcelona in the Scottish leagues as well. I don't think Barcelona have won any of those titles when they deserve to either. People around here also own their own houses, when clearly they should belong to Barcelona as well so you should start finding website links for that too. I've left my breakfast muffin on the back step in case Xavi wants to come and pick up what is his birthright, if you could tell him later when you're strapping him into his booster seat.

 

[FreckBarca]

You should look into the atrocities commited against Barcelona in the Scottish leagues as well. I don't think Barcelona have one any of those titles when they deserve to either. People around here also own their own houses, when clearly they should belong to Barcelona. I've left my breakfast muffin on the back step in case Xavi wants to come and pick up what is his birthright.

 

[Tarrou]

so basically Barca should have won something like 14/15 titles in a row if it wasn't for dodgy reffing? is the rebuttal here?

in an era that Madrid were absolutely stacked and won multiple UCLs

 

[rimaldo]

so basically Barca should have won something like 14/15 titles in a row if it wasn't for dodgy reffing? is the rebuttal here?

in an era that Madrid were absolutely stacked and won multiple UCLs

there’s posts pending.

 

[RG77]

Niemans, seriously, why do you keep doing this. How can you not understand that this line of reasoning destroys your credibility?

You are literally harming your club when you say this stuff.

I think they are owed all the Champions League titles as well. It only makes sense.

 

[sifi36]

What I am saying is that there is no evidence that this money has been used to buy arbitration favors.

Let's see, I've said it many times already. Barcelona paid Negreira, that is morally and ethically unacceptable and must be sanctioned with the corresponding sanction. What is not true and I have posted videos, links and so on is the tremendous campaign here in Spain saying that Barcelona won the titles thanks to the referees. When it is the opposite, Barcelona with correct arbitrations should have four more leagues, Real Madrid three less and Atlético de Madrid one less in those 18 years of Barcelona payments to Negreira.

I have some posts pending on how to brainwash people here in Spain with several very clear and forceful examples.
Here there are no counterweights, all the general press is a Madridista and Franco worshipers, who say that he was the good man of the Spanish War. The only exception is the Grupo Prisa, which is from the other side but is also a Madridista.

Do you need an audio recording of Negeira intimidating a referee or paying someone for favourable calls?

Barcelona paid for services that were never rendered, this much is clear from the complaint. There is no evidence to support the services that were being paid for were ever delivered upon. On that basis, if they didn’t receive the services, then it’s incompetence or fraud by the directors at the very least.

Even though it might be hard to prove in court that the payments were bribes for favourable calls, why else would a club pay a company owned by the VP of the referee’s association for 20 years when they consistently fail to deliver what was being paid for? Can you think of one reasonable example of why, a company would make payments to an unrelated company for 20 years for services that weren’t rendered?

 

[2 man midfield]

You should look into the atrocities commited against Barcelona in the Scottish leagues as well. I don't think Barcelona have won any of those titles when they deserve to either. People around here also own their own houses, when clearly they should belong to Barcelona as well so you should start finding website links for that too. I've left my breakfast muffin on the back step in case Xavi wants to come and pick up what is his birthright, if you could tell him later when you're strapping him into his booster seat.

 

[FreckBarca]

so basically Barca should have won something like 14/15 titles in a row if it wasn't for dodgy reffing? is the rebuttal here?

in an era that Madrid were absolutely stacked and won multiple UCLs

Exactly. It has already been analysed in depth:

For people who are not aware, Barcelona won the league in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2019. Real Madrid won the league in 2012, 2017, and 2020. Atletico Madrid won the league in 2014.

Niemans claims that Barcelona should have won 2 of those 3 leagues Real Madrid won, and the one Atletico won. In other words, Barcelona should have won the league every single season from 2008 to 2019. 11 consecutive league titles. Against a club that won the Champions League 4 times in the same period, and another club that reached 2 finals. A feat that hasn't been achieved even in one-club leagues.

When you construct an argument that leads you to such a demented conclusion, it means the argument is wrong. People don't have to go line by line and demolish it. It's just clearly nonsense. The level of entitlement it takes to make an argument like this and expect people to take seriously is awe inspiring.

 

[Tarrou]

Exactly. It has already been analysed in depth:

amazing

 

[FreckBarca]

Barcelona paid for services that were never rendered, this much is clear from the complaint. There is no evidence to support the services that were being paid for were ever delivered upon. On that basis, if they didn’t receive the services, then it’s incompetence or fraud by the directors at the very least.

Barcelona paid for services and it looks like they didn't pay only Negreira.
Negreira would withdraw 20k€ in cash monthly (roughly half of what Barca paid him) during the years Barca paid him and nobody knows where that money went.

 

[Slevs]

Niemans claims that nobody wants to address him but this was already addressed (and roundly, deservedly mocked) in the previous thread. For example, here.

For people who are not aware, Barcelona won the league in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2013, 2015, 2016, 2018, and 2019. Real Madrid won the league in 2012, 2017, and 2020. Atletico Madrid won the league in 2014.

Niemans claims that Barcelona should have won 2 of those 3 leagues Real Madrid won, and the one Atletico won. In other words, Barcelona should have won the league every single season from 2008 to 2020 2019. 12 11 consecutive league titles. Against a club that won the Champions League 4 times in the same period, and another club that reached 2 finals. A feat that hasn't been achieved even in one-club leagues.

When you construct an argument that leads you to such a demented conclusion, it means the argument is wrong. People don't have to go line by line and demolish it. It's just clearly nonsense. The level of entitlement it takes to make an argument like this and expect people to take seriously is awe inspiring.

edit: in fairness to Niemans, he thinks it's only 11, not 12.

He is an amazing case study for psychology students.

 

[Mr Pigeon]

Photo found of Mr Barcelona visiting the pantry at a nearby children's orphanage.

Spoiler

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

so basically Barca should have won something like 14/15 titles in a row if it wasn't for dodgy reffing? is the rebuttal here?

in an era that Madrid were absolutely stacked and won multiple UCLs

Niemans basically doesn't believe that Barcelona can lose a title race legitimately.

He is willing to accept title losses when Barcelona is clearly bad and not very competitive.

But if Barcelona finished 2nd and a few points behind 1st, forget about it.

 

[Niemans]

Niemans, seriously, why do you keep doing this. How can you not understand that this line of reasoning destroys your credibility?

You are literally harming your club when you say this stuff.

Yes, as in the other thread. Where I received 6-8 quotes at noon and as many at night, where here many people said that Barcelona was benefited in Europe and gave an example of the Arsenal tie and the expulsion of V. Persie.
I put a post with videos and images saying that this was not true and that in that tie Barcelona had been hurt a lot.
And suddenly the next day 0 quotes at noon, curious. I open at night and also 0 quotes, strange. And the next day also 0 quotes.
Not a mention of the post by anyone, silent withdrawal of all. Not even a "was wrong" or "had another perception".

Yes, you got a similar response as if you were a schizophrenic man ranting in the middle of the street about the rapture. The question is why.

Curious, now in 40 minutes I have 7 quotes . If it were as you say right now I would have zero quotes, but I have seven.

What happened then is very clear, I put arguments and nobody responded because they were irrefutable and nobody had the courage to admit that they were wrong. Nothing happens to be wrong, we all have been and we will continue to be wrong, but not recognizing it is something else.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

Niemans, for the 10th time: people have responded to your arguments. You proceed to dismiss these responses and continue to claim that "nobody responds." It is a transparent lie.

 

[rimaldo]

Niemans, for the 10th time: people have responded to your arguments, and you have simply dismissed them.

there. are. posts. pending.

 

[Ananke]

What I am saying is that there is no evidence that this money has been used to buy arbitration favors.

Let's see, I've said it many times already. Barcelona paid Negreira, that is morally and ethically unacceptable and must be sanctioned with the corresponding sanction. What is not true and I have posted videos, links and so on is the tremendous campaign here in Spain saying that Barcelona won the titles thanks to the referees.

I think we can all just call a duck a duck at this point mate

 

[Niemans]

Niemans basically doesn't believe that Barcelona can lose a title race legitimately.

He is willing to accept other clubs' wins but only if Barcelona were not very competitive that season (07/08, 20/21, 21/22).

I have posted videos and photos showing that Barcelona was harmed and Madrid benefited in the 2016-17 season and you sincerely said that you did not need to see them. The one who refuses to see reality is you and to counter-argue what I have posted because you know that you are not right.

What you have put right now is nothing more than demagogy and obviously a lie.
The one who refuses to accept that Madrid was benefited is you and, furthermore, you refuse to know the reality of not wanting to see what I have posted.

 

[Niemans]

there. are. posts. pending.

Calm down mate, when I answer I do it through links and then you keep telling me that you don't need to see it or you just disappear silently as has already happened.

And let's go by parts first tell me and counter argue that Barcelona was not harmed a 2016-2017 season and in Madrid benefited with links videos and images.

 

[FreckBarca]

Nieman's reminds me of a good old joke:

A man was driving down highway 407 when a radio announcer said: “be warned of a car driving the wrong way along the highway”

The man, peeking out the window, scoffs to himself as he thinks “just one? All these idiots are going the wrong way!”

 

[Bepi]

Niemans, seriously, why do you keep doing this. How can you not understand that this line of reasoning destroys your credibility?

You are literally harming your club when you say this stuff.

Only logical explanation, if he is not 15, being he is paid as a PR mole by the club themselves, which would not be surprising at all, considering that social media are a very powerful tool to create/defuse sh*tstorms nowadays.

 

[Niemans]

I think we can all just call a duck a duck at this point mate

From what I see, many of you call a duck a duck because they tell you to call it a duck. I call a duck a duck because that's a duck, there's the difference.

 

[The Purley King]

Barcelona paid for services and it looks like they didn't pay only Negreira.
Negreira would withdraw 20k€ in cash monthly (roughly half of what Barca paid him) during the years Barca paid him and nobody knows where that money went.

Imagine having, I mean absolutely having to rip through 20k a month in untraceable transactions.
Must have been fun!

 

[SirReginald]

Only logical explanation, if he is not 15, being he is paid as a PR mole by the club themselves, which would not be surprising at all, considering that social media are a very powerful tool to create/defuse sh*tstorms nowadays.

Or he is part of a larger cult.

 

[Lee565]

Premier league rubbing their hands at all of this as it will just create a bigger gap between them and what is seen as the second biggest league in Europe with la liga

 

[FreckBarca]

Only logical explanation, if he is not 15, being he is paid as a PR mole by the club themselves, which would not be surprising at all, considering that social media are a very powerful tool to create/defuse sh*tstorms nowadays.

I wish that were true but nah. This is really a good representation of Barca fans from Catalunya.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Go on the Barca forum, they're pretty deluded bunch.

 

[Bepi]

Premier league rubbing their hands at all of this as it will just create a bigger gap between them and what is seen as the second biggest league in Europe with la liga

We are just going toward the SuperLeague of the “cheats”, with them, Juventus and City unwillingly playing cannon fodder for almighty Madrid. (Am I doing well as a make-football-great-again puppet myself, right?)

 

[sglowrider]

Barcelona paid for services and it looks like they didn't pay only Negreira.
Negreira would withdraw 20k€ in cash monthly (roughly half of what Barca paid him) during the years Barca paid him and nobody knows where that money went.

Hookers & blow duh!!!

 

[sglowrider]

Nieman's reminds me of a good old joke:

A man was driving down highway 407 when a radio announcer said: “be warned of a car driving the wrong way along the highway”

The man, peeking out the window, scoffs to himself as he thinks “just one? All these idiots are going the wrong way!”

 

[Niemans]

This is so weird... On top of my head, and I don't really care about Barcelona.

2010: Inter's Motta gets a red card for Busquet's famous acting...

2011: Arsenal are 35 minutes away from knocking you out and VPersie (onside) not only gets his goal ruled out, he is sent off for not stopping to play (riducoulous to expect him to hear a wistle in a stocked 100k stadium)...

I am not saying I know you bribed anyone... But there have been at least as many, if not more, controversies in your favor...

- Motta's action is obviously not a direct red card, but a yellow card.

- Motta received a yellow card in the 10th minute.
- Motta's play in the 28th minute is yellow without discussion.
- Therefore 2 yellow cards and to the changing rooms. Nothing changed in the course of the tie.

Uefa Act

In the 2011 tie against Arsenal, the second yellow card for Van Persie is a clear mistake by the referee.

But previously the referee forgave this entrance to Messi's ankle.

Ankle 0:35

And this attack by V. Persie on Dani Alves in minute 45, who doesn't even protest because he knows he did it.

1:43

Notice that I was going to give this tie as an example of how the referee hurt Barcelona and the media changed the narrative because of that play by Van Persie.
For that you have to go to the first leg.


- Goal annulled to Barcelona in the 39th minute. It was 0-2.
In addition, there was a hand that was a penalty.

Video

- Possible penalty for Pedro and expulsion of the defender.

Video

Second leg. Here I am going to paraphrase the newspaper Marca.

"The referee swallows a penalty against Barcelona. There was a play for controversy in the first half of Barça-Arsenal when Diaby's tackle on Messi on the same line of the large area went unpunished, in an action that should have been marked as a penalty by Busacca. The Swiss referee ordered to continue in a play in which he should have indicated the maximum penalty. The azulgranas barely made a claim in this action that occurred in the 32nd minute of the game".

Link

Video - attention to what the commentator says.
Commentator: "I cannot believe he's not given it there (referee)"

And here is a clear example of the enormous echo chamber that is the press in Spain without any counterweight. A tie where Barcelona were clearly harmed sells a narrative that they were benefited by a second rigorous yellow card to Van Persie.

And in the end people happily swallow a story because it's what they want to hear.

Today I don't have more time to answer anything else because it takes time for me to provide videos and evidence. And those who answer me do not contribute anything at all and when they do it is biased as in this example of the Arsenal tie.

In that tie against Inter de Millán, I still need to put Milito's offside goal, a possible penalty for Dani Alves and a disallowed goal for Bojan in the second leg. I'll put it later.

And now go through one by one see what I have put and say without those qualifying rounds Barcelona was favored or harmed. And I still have to put those three actions in the Inter Milan tie. And don't do like the last time you all disappeared.

 

[Iker Quesadillas]

I have posted videos and photos showing that Barcelona was harmed and Madrid benefited in the 2016-17 season and you sincerely said that you did not need to see them. The one who refuses to see reality is you and to counter-argue what I have posted because you know that you are not right.

You created an argument using your own selection of photos and videos. The conclusion of your argument, that Barcelona should have won 11 titles in a row, is so obviously absurd that the entire argument can be dismissed as faulty without having to refute every single line.

The conclusion is obviously absurd because it goes against all observable evidence. The observable evidence is that we have barely seen this level of domination in uncompetitive, one-club leagues like the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Scottish league post-Rangers implosion, and 2010s Serie A. The observable evidence is that Barcelona were up against teams with extremely high wages, with extremely good records in other competitions (like the Champions League). You do not see this conclusion as obviously absurd because you are very biased towards Barcelona. You have failed to convince a single person here that your conclusion is plausible.

People have addressed the substance of your argument. The strenght of a 'selective' argument like the one you've made is that the selection is truly representative of reality. People have pointed out to you, many times, that you have ignored a number of extremely clear examples of your club benefitting from refereeing decisions. The fact that yo have been caught doing this means we cannot take seriously your selection of videos and photos, because they are not representative.

 

[Niemans]

You created an argument using your own selection of photos and videos. The conclusion of your argument, that Barcelona should have won 11 titles in a row, is so obviously absurd that the entire argument can be dismissed as faulty without having to refute every single line.

The conclusion is obviously absurd because it goes against all observable evidence. The observable evidence is that we have barely seen this level of domination in uncompetitive, one-club leagues like the Bundesliga, Ligue 1, Scottish league post-Rangers implosion, and 2010s Serie A. The observable evidence is that Barcelona were up against teams with extremely high wages, with extremely good records in other competitions (like the Champions League). You do not see this conclusion as obviously absurd because you are very biased towards Barcelona. You have failed to convince a single person here that your conclusion is plausible.

People have addressed the substance of your argument. The strenght of a 'selective' argument like the one you've made is that the selection is truly representative of reality. People have pointed out to you, many times, that you have ignored a number of extremely clear examples of your club benefitting from refereeing decisions. The fact that yo have been caught doing this means we cannot take seriously your selection of videos and photos, because they are not representative.

Don't make any more excuses and blah blah blah. Prove me wrong with videos, photos and links. Yes, you are all telling me everything, calling everything, but I am the only one who provides evidence.

 

[Acrobat7]

farcelona
uefalona
lancelona
bribelona

it’s all great banter, it really is.

And I thought Leverlona was peak. That is so last summer.