ODI Sheep draft time?

J.Langer
M.Trescothick
M.Vaughan
M.Waugh
C.Lloyd
D.Martyn
M.Dhoni
M.Holding
W.Younis
L.Malinga
M.Ahmed
M.Morkel

Thoughts guys?
 
J.Langer
M.Trescothick
M.Vaughan
M.Waugh
C.Lloyd
D.Martyn
M.Dhoni
M.Holding
W.Younis
L.Malinga
M.Ahmed
M.Morkel

Thoughts guys?

First thought seeing that line up: it's a long tail.

However that pace attack has quality. Two of the greats fronting up. Malinga was not the same in tests though he can I suppose be good when reverse swing comes into play and will be best used in short bursts. His slingy action and knee problems was not suited to bowling long spells. Morkel is more accustomed at being the support cast IMO. Mushtaq is a quality spinner.

Batsmen are all solid, aesthetically pleasing bar Dhoni ;). Though apart from Vaughan who had a real golden run in the early 2000s none of your batsmen were the key man on their side. They were mostly facilitators but quality ones at that so that balances out not having an out and out great.
 
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One of the most underrated bowlers and an excellent support bowler. Also an excellent tailender batsman.

Paul Reiffel
 
1. Harshad - 1. V Richards 2. A Kumble 3. A Roberts 4. B McCullum 5. H Amla 6. John Edrich 7. Jon Snow 8. G Turner 9. T Alderman 10. Sarfaraz Nawaz 11. Robin Smith

2. Skills - 1. I Khan 2. A Flower 3. C Walsh. 4. A Cook 5. M Hussey 6. J Root 7. Swann 8. M Asif 9. A Kallicharan 10. Srinath 11. M Slater

3. Anant/RD - 1. S Tendulkar 2. I Botham 3. S Pollock 4. M Clarke 5. D Warner 6. Harbhajan 7. D Amiss 8. R Herath 9. R Richardson 10. Danish Kaneria 11. M Hoggard

4. Interval - 1. J Kallis 2. A Border 3. G Greenidge 4.VVS Laxman 5. Saqlain Mushtaq 6. M Johnson 7. B Chandrasekhar 8. T Boult 9. S Jayasuriya 10. D Vengsarkar 11. J Bairstow

5. NM - 1. R Hadlee 2. G Chappell 3. G Boycott 4. J Gillespie 5. D Underwood 6. Anwar 7. M Prior 8. P Pollock 9. D Jones 10. D Cullinan 11. T Southee

6. Raees - 1. Lara 2. S Waugh 3. K Dev 4. B Willis 5. Inzamam Ul-Haq 6. A. Knott 7. Abdul Qadir 8. M Amarnath 9. A De Silva 10. McKenzie 11. S Ajmal

7. Red Viper - 1. D Lillee 2. G Pollock 3. J Miandad 4. D Haynes 5. A Flintoff 6. C Cairns 7. E Prasanna 8. M Taylor 9. D Walters 10. F Engineer 11. G Viswanath

8. Boycott - 1. M Marshall 2. R Dravid 3. K Pietersen 4. C Croft 5. B Lawry 6. M Azharuddin 7. S Broad 8. B Haddin 9. S Fleming 10. S MacGill 11. B McMillan

9. prath - 1. W Akram 2. J Garner 3. M Hayden 4. A Stewart 5. M Jayawardene 6. BS Bedi 7. S Smith 8. H Streak 9. Trott 10. A Iqbal 11. A Mallet 12. P Reiffel

10. Akash - 1. M Muralidharan 2. S Gavaskar 3. S Akhtar 4. Younis Khan 5. M Crowe 6. D Gough 7. D Boon 8. J Dujon 9. C Hooper 10. Ryan Harris 11. V Kohli 12. S Nurse

11. RedTiger - 1. S Warne 2. A Gilchrist 3. G Smith 4. H Gibbs 5. D Vettori 6. C Vaas 7. M Ntini 8. A Mathews 9. Shakib 10. R Taylor 11. R Sarwan 12. A Symonds

12. Chris Nelson - 1. R Ponting 2. J Anderson 3. M Boucher 4. Tony Greig 5. I Chappell 6. C McDermott 7. R Shastri 8. Zaheer Khan 9. M Hughes 10. M Atherton 11. T Dilshan 12. D Bravo

13. Mani - 1. M Holding 2. W Younis 3. Clive Lloyd 4. J Langer 5. MS Dhoni 6. M Vaughan 7. M Waugh 8. M Morkel 9. Mushtaq Ahmed 10. D Martyn 11. M Trescothick 12. L Malinga

14. Ijazz - 1. G McGrath 2. AB De Villiers 3. M Yousuf 4. J Thomson 5. G Kirsten 6. G Thorpe 7. K Williamson 8. B Lee 9. Iqbal Qasim 10. R Fredericks 11. N Astle 12. A Rehman

15. Akshay - 1. C Ambrose 2. D Steyn 3. V Sehwag 4. G Gooch 5. D Gower 6. Z Abbas 7. R Ashwin 8. I Healy 9. S Ganguly 10. A Fraser 11. Misbah-ul-Haq 12. N Lyon

16. EAP - 1. A Donald 2. K Sangakkara 3. I Bishop 4. S Chanderpaul 5. V Philander 6. S Malik 7. S Watson 8. S Katich 9. R Harper 10. I Bell 11. Moin Khan 12. S Venkatraghavan

@Boycott
 
Batting Order

1. Graeme Smith (c)
2. Herschelle Gibbs
3. Ramnaresh Sarwan
4. Ross Taylor
5. Angelo Mathews
6. Adam Gilchrist Π
7. Andrew Symonds
8. Daniel Vettori
9. Chaminda Vaas
10.Makhaya Ntini
11.Shane Warne

12. Shakib Al-Hasan


Bowling Unit

Pacers

Ntini
Vaas
Symonds (p/t)
Mathews (p/t)

Spinners

Warne
Vettori
Sarwan (p/t)


Thoughts guys?
 
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M Hayden
A Stewart
J Trott
M Jayawarden
S Smith
A Iqbal
H Streak
W Akram
P Reiffel
BS Bedi
J Garner

Thoughts?
 
Batting Order

1. Graeme Smith (c)
2. Herschelle Gibbs
3. Ramnaresh Sarwan
4. Ross Taylor
5. Angelo Mathews
6. Adam Gilchrist Π
7. Andrew Symonds
8. Daniel Vettori
9. Chaminda Vaas
10.Makhaya Ntini
11.Shane Warne

12. Shakib Al-Hasan


Bowling Unit

Pacers

Ntini
Vaas
Symonds (p/t)
Mathews (p/t)

Spinners

Warne
Vettori
Sarwan (p/t)


Thoughts guys?
Vaas would be a hard sell. His record outside the subcontinent is not that great.

Also Symonds above gilly
 
First thought seeing that line up: it's a long tail.

However that pace attack has quality. Two of the greats fronting up. Malinga was not the same in tests though he can I suppose be good when reverse swing comes into play and will be best used in short bursts. His slingy action and knee problems was not suited to bowling long spells. Morkel is more accustomed at being the support cast IMO. Mushtaq is a quality spinner.

Batsmen are all solid, aesthetically pleasing bar Dhoni ;). Though apart from Vaughan who had a real golden run in the early 2000s none of your batsmen were the key man on their side. They were mostly facilitators but quality ones at that so that balances out not having an out and out great.
Thanks Boycott.
My confusion would be whether to go with Malinga or Morkel as third seamer though large position of burden would be shared between Waqar / M.Holding.
I had no worry with the batting line up ,Langer coming from the successful Aussie team of late 90's, Vaughan and Trescothick had major role in their Ashes victory 2005 plus D.Martyn and C.Lloyd playing in their respective position where they scored most number of runs.
Dhoni is more about Sub continent where he' more successful with his batting and more than useful batsmen in rest of the pitches.
Overall I'm happy with the players had selected.
 
My Team:
  1. David Boon
  2. Sunil Gavaskar
  3. Younis Khan
  4. Martin Crowe
  5. Carl Hooper
  6. Virat Kohli / Nurse
  7. Jeff Dujon
  8. Darren Gough
  9. Ryan Harris
  10. Shoaib Akhtar
  11. Murali

Thoughts?
 
You have akram garner streak and bedi. That bowling attack need not be supplemented with an additional bowler.

I was looking for 4+1 in fast bowling pitches and 3+2 in spin pitches. This is the most balanced team I could create :p
 
My Team:
  1. David Boon
  2. Sunil Gavaskar
  3. Younis Khan
  4. Martin Crowe
  5. Carl Hooper
  6. Virat Kohli / Nurse
  7. Jeff Dujon
  8. Darren Gough
  9. Ryan Harris
  10. Shoaib Akhtar
  11. Murali

Thoughts?

Kohli at 6? Is he particularly great in that position?
 
My Team:
  1. David Boon
  2. Sunil Gavaskar
  3. Younis Khan
  4. Martin Crowe
  5. Carl Hooper
  6. Virat Kohli / Nurse
  7. Jeff Dujon
  8. Darren Gough
  9. Ryan Harris
  10. Shoaib Akhtar
  11. Murali

Thoughts?

Why not have a bowler in place of Kohli? You batting looks the strongest.
 
My team is going to get slaughtered in this! Still, decent learning curve as it's my first draft :)
 
Kohli at 6? Is he particularly great in that position?
Would play Kohli ahead of Hooper.

See your point. Could swap them around if need be but I doubt it makes too much of a difference either way. The idea was basically to have Kohli and Hooper come in following that rock solid top 4 and thus allowing them to play their full range of shots with a good score behind them.

Why not have a bowler in place of Kohli? You batting looks the strongest.

Don't think I need more bowlers (Not to mention I don't have a choice now!). Hooper can pitch in on the slow wickets but in general it's a bowling lineup full of wicket takers. Not a single bowler with a strike rate less than 55 in that lot. Don't think any other team can claim that?
 
See your point. Could swap them around if need be but I doubt it makes too much of a difference either way. The idea was basically to have Kohli and Hooper come in following that rock solid top 4 and thus allowing them to play their full range of shots with a good score behind them.



Don't think I need more bowlers (Not to mention I don't have a choice now!). Hooper can pitch in on the slow wickets but in general it's a bowling lineup full of wicket takers. Not a single bowler with a strike rate less than 55 in that lot. Don't think any other team can claim that?
Hope you have not counted Murali in that lot;)
 
Wish Shane Bond would have been available. I would have picked him second round. One of my all time favorite bowlers along with Warne.
 
Micheal Holding

http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/403235.html

The pitch was a batting paradise. Lloyd won the toss, and Richards batted like I had never seen anyone bat before, plundering an imperious 291. West Indies declared at 687 for 8, and Dennis and I survived 12 overs on the second evening. The bounce was true, and I was feeling good about my batting because I had been in good form all season. But little did we know that Whispering Death lay in wait for us.

Holding's feet hardly touched the ground as he ran in. He moved in silkily and his body swayed like a cobra's: it would have been magnificent had I been watching from the outside. But here I was more intent on watching the ball, moving back and across as Colin Cowdrey had taught me.

Holding was bowling with only one fielder in front of wicket at cover-point. He bowled, and I moved back and across. I saw that the ball was pitched up, so I moved forward, feet first, and then into the shot.

Before I knew it, the ball had smashed into my pad. Even though I was wearing state-of-the-art buckskin pads, the pain was so incredible that I thought I had been shot. A small explosion of whitening emanated from my pad and a loud appeal from the bowler and the fielders. Dickie Bird was not known to give too many lbws. But this time he had no choice: the ball would have broken the middle stump.

That opened the floodgates, and though Dennis scored a masterful 203 and helped us avoid the follow-on, we lost by 231 runs. Incredibly Roberts, who opened the bowling with Holding, returned with match figures of 1 for 139 to Holding's 14 for 149. The pitch had nothing in terms of movement, swing or extra bounce for the bowler, but Holding didn't need any assistance: six of his victims were bowled and two leg-before. He just kept coming back and bowling quicker and quicker, and stumps flew all over the place.
 
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1. Harshad - 1. V Richards 2. A Kumble 3. A Roberts 4. B McCullum 5. H Amla 6. John Edrich 7. Jon Snow 8. G Turner 9. T Alderman 10. Sarfaraz Nawaz 11. Robin Smith

2. Skills - 1. I Khan 2. A Flower 3. C Walsh. 4. A Cook 5. M Hussey 6. J Root 7. Swann 8. M Asif 9. A Kallicharan 10. Srinath 11. M Slater

3. Anant/RD - 1. S Tendulkar 2. I Botham 3. S Pollock 4. M Clarke 5. D Warner 6. Harbhajan 7. D Amiss 8. R Herath 9. R Richardson 10. Danish Kaneria 11. M Hoggard

4. Interval - 1. J Kallis 2. A Border 3. G Greenidge 4.VVS Laxman 5. Saqlain Mushtaq 6. M Johnson 7. B Chandrasekhar 8. T Boult 9. S Jayasuriya 10. D Vengsarkar 11. J Bairstow

5. NM - 1. R Hadlee 2. G Chappell 3. G Boycott 4. J Gillespie 5. D Underwood 6. Anwar 7. M Prior 8. P Pollock 9. D Jones 10. D Cullinan 11. T Southee

6. Raees - 1. Lara 2. S Waugh 3. K Dev 4. B Willis 5. Inzamam Ul-Haq 6. A. Knott 7. Abdul Qadir 8. M Amarnath 9. A De Silva 10. McKenzie 11. S Ajmal

7. Red Viper - 1. D Lillee 2. G Pollock 3. J Miandad 4. D Haynes 5. A Flintoff 6. C Cairns 7. E Prasanna 8. M Taylor 9. D Walters 10. F Engineer 11. G Viswanath

8. Boycott - 1. M Marshall 2. R Dravid 3. K Pietersen 4. C Croft 5. B Lawry 6. M Azharuddin 7. S Broad 8. B Haddin 9. S Fleming 10. S MacGill 11. B McMillan 12. D Allen

9. prath - 1. W Akram 2. J Garner 3. M Hayden 4. A Stewart 5. M Jayawardene 6. BS Bedi 7. S Smith 8. H Streak 9. Trott 10. A Iqbal 11. A Mallet 12. P Reiffel

10. Akash - 1. M Muralidharan 2. S Gavaskar 3. S Akhtar 4. Younis Khan 5. M Crowe 6. D Gough 7. D Boon 8. J Dujon 9. C Hooper 10. Ryan Harris 11. V Kohli 12. S Nurse

11. RedTiger - 1. S Warne 2. A Gilchrist 3. G Smith 4. H Gibbs 5. D Vettori 6. C Vaas 7. M Ntini 8. A Mathews 9. Shakib 10. R Taylor 11. R Sarwan 12. A Symonds

12. Chris Nelson - 1. R Ponting 2. J Anderson 3. M Boucher 4. Tony Greig 5. I Chappell 6. C McDermott 7. R Shastri 8. Zaheer Khan 9. M Hughes 10. M Atherton 11. T Dilshan 12. D Bravo

13. Mani - 1. M Holding 2. W Younis 3. Clive Lloyd 4. J Langer 5. MS Dhoni 6. M Vaughan 7. M Waugh 8. M Morkel 9. Mushtaq Ahmed 10. D Martyn 11. M Trescothick 12. L Malinga

14. Ijazz - 1. G McGrath 2. AB De Villiers 3. M Yousuf 4. J Thomson 5. G Kirsten 6. G Thorpe 7. K Williamson 8. B Lee 9. Iqbal Qasim 10. R Fredericks 11. N Astle 12. A Rehman

15. Akshay - 1. C Ambrose 2. D Steyn 3. V Sehwag 4. G Gooch 5. D Gower 6. Z Abbas 7. R Ashwin 8. I Healy 9. S Ganguly 10. A Fraser 11. Misbah-ul-Haq 12. N Lyon

16. EAP - 1. A Donald 2. K Sangakkara 3. I Bishop 4. S Chanderpaul 5. V Philander 6. S Malik 7. S Watson 8. S Katich 9. R Harper 10. I Bell 11. Moin Khan 12. S Venkatraghavan

@The Red Viper
 
The small island of Barbados has produced more quality fast bowlers than the entire nation of India. There was Wes Hall, with his long run-up, running in the sunshine, his crucifix dangling, to hurl deliveries at unbelievable speed. There was Joel Garner, tall and accurate, miserly in approach and lethal in effect and there was Malcolm Marshall, stocky and fast, who could run through any batting line-up and generally accepted as one of the greatest in history.

And then, there was Charlie Griffith: tall, muscular, massive and oozing power – the meanest of them all. A career of 94 wickets from 28 Tests at 28.54 is impressive enough, but it does not tell the complete story. It does not tell the way how Griffith, in unison with fellow Barbadian Hall, had intimidated batsmen all over the world with pace. Neither does it tell how lethal Griffith’s toe-crushing yorkers were, or how ruthless his bouncers were.



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CHARLIE GRIFFITH
 
1. Harshad - 1. V Richards 2. A Kumble 3. A Roberts 4. B McCullum 5. H Amla 6. John Edrich 7. Jon Snow 8. G Turner 9. T Alderman 10. Sarfaraz Nawaz 11. Robin Smith

2. Skills - 1. I Khan 2. A Flower 3. C Walsh. 4. A Cook 5. M Hussey 6. J Root 7. Swann 8. M Asif 9. A Kallicharan 10. Srinath 11. M Slater

3. Anant/RD - 1. S Tendulkar 2. I Botham 3. S Pollock 4. M Clarke 5. D Warner 6. Harbhajan 7. D Amiss 8. R Herath 9. R Richardson 10. Danish Kaneria 11. M Hoggard

4. Interval - 1. J Kallis 2. A Border 3. G Greenidge 4.VVS Laxman 5. Saqlain Mushtaq 6. M Johnson 7. B Chandrasekhar 8. T Boult 9. S Jayasuriya 10. D Vengsarkar 11. J Bairstow

5. NM - 1. R Hadlee 2. G Chappell 3. G Boycott 4. J Gillespie 5. D Underwood 6. Anwar 7. M Prior 8. P Pollock 9. D Jones 10. D Cullinan 11. T Southee

6. Raees - 1. Lara 2. S Waugh 3. K Dev 4. B Willis 5. Inzamam Ul-Haq 6. A. Knott 7. Abdul Qadir 8. M Amarnath 9. A De Silva 10. McKenzie 11. S Ajmal

7. Red Viper - 1. D Lillee 2. G Pollock 3. J Miandad 4. D Haynes 5. A Flintoff 6. C Cairns 7. E Prasanna 8. M Taylor 9. D Walters 10. F Engineer 11. G Viswanath 12. C Griffith

8. Boycott - 1. M Marshall 2. R Dravid 3. K Pietersen 4. C Croft 5. B Lawry 6. M Azharuddin 7. S Broad 8. B Haddin 9. S Fleming 10. S MacGill 11. B McMillan 12. D Allen

9. prath - 1. W Akram 2. J Garner 3. M Hayden 4. A Stewart 5. M Jayawardene 6. BS Bedi 7. S Smith 8. H Streak 9. Trott 10. A Iqbal 11. A Mallet 12. P Reiffel

10. Akash - 1. M Muralidharan 2. S Gavaskar 3. S Akhtar 4. Younis Khan 5. M Crowe 6. D Gough 7. D Boon 8. J Dujon 9. C Hooper 10. Ryan Harris 11. V Kohli 12. S Nurse

11. RedTiger - 1. S Warne 2. A Gilchrist 3. G Smith 4. H Gibbs 5. D Vettori 6. C Vaas 7. M Ntini 8. A Mathews 9. Shakib 10. R Taylor 11. R Sarwan 12. A Symonds

12. Chris Nelson - 1. R Ponting 2. J Anderson 3. M Boucher 4. Tony Greig 5. I Chappell 6. C McDermott 7. R Shastri 8. Zaheer Khan 9. M Hughes 10. M Atherton 11. T Dilshan 12. D Bravo

13. Mani - 1. M Holding 2. W Younis 3. Clive Lloyd 4. J Langer 5. MS Dhoni 6. M Vaughan 7. M Waugh 8. M Morkel 9. Mushtaq Ahmed 10. D Martyn 11. M Trescothick 12. L Malinga

14. Ijazz - 1. G McGrath 2. AB De Villiers 3. M Yousuf 4. J Thomson 5. G Kirsten 6. G Thorpe 7. K Williamson 8. B Lee 9. Iqbal Qasim 10. R Fredericks 11. N Astle 12. A Rehman

15. Akshay - 1. C Ambrose 2. D Steyn 3. V Sehwag 4. G Gooch 5. D Gower 6. Z Abbas 7. R Ashwin 8. I Healy 9. S Ganguly 10. A Fraser 11. Misbah-ul-Haq 12. N Lyon

16. EAP - 1. A Donald 2. K Sangakkara 3. I Bishop 4. S Chanderpaul 5. V Philander 6. S Malik 7. S Watson 8. S Katich 9. R Harper 10. I Bell 11. Moin Khan 12. S Venkatraghavan

@Raees
 
Thoughts?

01. Desmond Haynes.
02. Mark Taylor. (C)
03. Graeme Pollock.
04. Javed Miandad.
05. Doug Walters.
06. Andrew Flintoff. (3)
07. Chris Cairns. (4)
08. Farokh Engineer. (+)
09. Dennis Lillee. (1)
10. Charlie Griffith. (2)
11. Erapalli Prasanna. (5)

12. Gundappa Viswanath.
 
  1. Lawry
  2. Fleming
  3. Dravid
  4. Pietersen
  5. Azharuddin
  6. Haddin
  7. McMillan
  8. Broad
  9. Marshall
  10. Croft
  11. MacGill
12th man: David Allen

Haddin was pencilled in to come at 7 but McMillan's average shot up in that position. Overall in tests he was around the 39 mark but at seven he pushed up to 45. Someone who can bat with the tail well and in this case Broad (100 and 10 50s) and Marshall (10 50s) have some success with the bat.

David Allen comes into play on the spinning track. Did very well overseas picking up wickets and economical too. Decent bat with an average of ~25.
 
Two very good teams that^.

Although I think @The Red Viper your team might be found wanting on turners both in bowling and batting terms. May not be a bad idea to drop Flintoff for a batter.
 
Ok, since every one is doing this, thoughts ?

  1. Gary Kirsten
  2. Roy Fredericks
  3. Kane Williamson
  4. Mohammed Yousuf
  5. Graham Thorpe
  6. Ab De Villiers
  7. Nathan Astle
  8. Iqbal Qasim
  9. Brett Lee
  10. Jeff Thomson
  11. Glenn McGrath
  12. Abdur Rehman
Primary Bowlers
  • Glenn McGrath
  • Jeff Thomson
  • Brett Lee
  • Iqbal Qasim
  • Abdur Rehman (In Picked Matches)
5 Min Cameos
  • Kane Williamson
  • Nathan Astle
 
M Hayden
A Stewart
J Trott
M Jayawarden
S Smith
A Iqbal
H Streak
W Akram
P Reiffel
BS Bedi
J Garner

Thoughts?

I'm a massive fan of your opening Bowling Attack. Swing, Pace, Bounce, Left-right combo is just magnificent. It does seem your tail is a little long. I know the likes of Streak and Akram can bat, but wouldn't it have helped to go after specialist batsmen rather than Batsmen who can bowl or vice versa ?
 
I'm a massive fan of your opening Bowling Attack. Swing, Pace, Bounce, Left-right combo is just magnificent. It does seem your tail is a little long. I know the likes of Streak and Akram can bat, but wouldn't it have helped to go after specialist batsmen rather than Batsmen who can bowl or vice versa ?

Akram and streak were genuine all rounders. Akram has 3 centuries and a 200 too. He can bat well enough. Streak and even Reiffel is a good batsman. Also Steve Waugh wrote in his autobiography that Paul Reiffel was in fact a very good batsman and should probably have batted higher the order.

Plus I don't think after 6, you have many genuine batsmen playing in tests these days. You generally have Jadeja/Ashwin for India, Broad for England and so on.
 
Akram and streak were genuine all rounders. Akram has 3 centuries and a 200 too. He can bat well enough. Streak and even Reiffel is a good batsman. Also Steve Waugh wrote in his autobiography that Paul Reiffel was in fact a very good batsman and should probably have batted higher the order.

Plus I don't think after 6, you have many genuine batsmen playing in tests these days. You generally have Jadeja/Ashwin for India, Broad for England and so on.
No, normally, the Keeper comes in at 7. Since yours is an opener, changes the dynamic somewhat. I don't dispute that Akram cannot bat, but in the context of an All time test draft, that is going to be the argument which is likely to be made against the likes of streak, Akram etc. Still lovely team though, very modern-ish batting and revered and legendary bowling. I like it.