Apparently there is a photo of Salman Butt looking at the bowler when he's about to bowl(looking out for the no ball) instead of looking at the batsman.. can someone link to this please?
NOTW exposes Pak match-fixing in Lord's Test
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Found it. First video here.
Amir Salman Butt Asif NoBall Lords Test Fixing Controversy Pakistan | Cricket Video
Second video discredits that theory, though. He's clearly looking at Amir in some random delivery as Amir's about to deliver. It does explain why Pakistanis are so shit at catching, though.. they're looking at the wrong end.
Amir Salman Butt Asif NoBall Lords Test Fixing Controversy Pakistan | Cricket Video
Second video discredits that theory, though. He's clearly looking at Amir in some random delivery as Amir's about to deliver. It does explain why Pakistanis are so shit at catching, though.. they're looking at the wrong end.
"We must pick [the player]," he said. "I have been told that if he is not in the team tomorrow my daughter will be kidnapped and I will not see her again."
wtf...
Pakistan cricket is just fecked...
sorta like Bulgarian football (if you believe what happened to Berba during his young days)
Kid influenced by senior players my arse. Aamer deserves nothing less than a ban for life if guilty.
Agreed. The same excuses were used for Mohammed Asif when he was first found guilty of drug abuse. If Aamer gets away now(provided he is proven guilty) than what is the guarantee that he won't do this thing again in the future and possibly encourage the younger players to do it also(when he gets older)
Everyone who has involved should get life bans...and Pakistan as a team should probably get a year or two as well. It's hard to trust that any result they get is a legit one, especially given some of the allegations.
If 7-8 players in a team are bent, that's basically the full team cause in a game like cricket those 7 will completely determine the match. If that is true, then Pakistan has to sort itself out and do some house cleaning. Only then can it return to the international scene.
If 7-8 players in a team are bent, that's basically the full team cause in a game like cricket those 7 will completely determine the match. If that is true, then Pakistan has to sort itself out and do some house cleaning. Only then can it return to the international scene.
All three have asked to be dropped from the rest of the tour.
Just seen on SKY news I think it was the team manager saying that all three had been set up ????????
What bollocks the evidence is there for all to see in the match , thse noballs are not mistakes
I agree with Shane Warne ban them for life
EDIT It was the Pakistan High Commiseoner.
Just seen on SKY news I think it was the team manager saying that all three had been set up ????????
What bollocks the evidence is there for all to see in the match , thse noballs are not mistakes
I agree with Shane Warne ban them for life
EDIT It was the Pakistan High Commiseoner.
I love Warney, but he needs to shut up about this sort of stuff...He and Mark Waugh took money from a bookie in exchange for providing information, and was fined by Cricket Australia for it.
If the ICC feels they need to be banned for life, so be it, but Warney can't get on a high horse.
I think you should tell him that.
I did, on Twitter.
fair point , but what they did was nothing compared to what the Pakistan players are said to of done.
What the Pakistan players are said too of done is cheating plain and simple.
The Poilice are questioning all 3 tommorow ,maybe charges will be pressed , who knows.
If they are charged that thats the end of the cricket life,no team will touch them and rightly so.
I cant beleve that the Pakistan HC says that the 3 were set up , what is he on , has he not seen the match vid.
The Pakistan High Commissioner is simply taking the position of the Pakistani govt. It's like the Israeli ambassadors all around the world, who will go out and justify the killing of a toddler, it's their job. They have to take the company line.
I hardly believe they were set up...this is Pakistan, they are in the sh1tter, It's not like the gutter press were trying to setup the aussies, so England could win the Ashes for sure...Or out to ruin some saintly reputations..Pakistan as a nation and the cricket team as an extension are almost always the target of ridicule.
One thing that does need to be mentioned here is, Indian bookmakers...these nasty feckers are just as bad, but of course no one will mention them, just in case the BCCI gets offended.
Indian bookies went after the Aussies, South Africans, and even desperately poor Bangladeshi national team players.
So BCCI are to blame for Indian bookmakers...
Right.
Right.
Yeah I can see where you comming from with the HC.
The Pakistan Gov and the PCB must know that the players involved are deep in it.
Intresting what the ICC will do after the Police question the players.
Has for the Indian bookmaker's what can anybody do about them?
Are you Indian?
India isn't exactly clean in this, is it? I think we all remember Azharuddin. The BCCI are responsible in the sense that, it has the necessary powers to approach the Indian authorities to go after the bookmakers.
They simply lack the will...it is all about the $$$$. I think we all know most of the IPL stuff has been shoved under the rug, because the people at the top are all rotten.
In the end individual players are to blame for their actions. There is simply no hiding from it, if you don't talk to them or take the money, you won't be called a cheat. But it doesn't mean the Bookies should get a free ride. The temptation has to be as far as possible, taken out of the equation.
Why will BCCI get offended if those Indian Bookies are mentioned?
BCCI has it's own faults, but these days it's become quite fashionable to criticize BCCI on every Cricketing Problem. Let us not forget that World Cricket would struggle to survive without the Money which is being provided by the BCCI. Everyone complains about how much money is being thrown to Cricketers these days but compare it to the Money in the football and it's still nothing.
Also ironical that BCCI gets the blame for destroying Cricket by promoting T20 since they were the only Board to who voted against the T20 World Cup in the beginning. After that, they saw the marketing capability of T20 and the rest as they say is history.
Sorry for this little rant and also for taking this thread offtopic.
Edit: Didn't read your post before posting this.
Just saw your Edit...like I said, I've got nothing against the BCCI, they pushed the Asian block to get Bangladesh test status...hehe.
But I'm sure you remember the bookies being in the Indian dressing room during that epic collapse against SL in the 96 WC?
I know many will say, why does every inept performance have to be match fixing...but these are verified instances, where bookies were in the dressing room, and the CBI opened investigations, only for them to go away(as with most things in the sub continent).
I was reading article on this very issue in the times of india a couple of days ago...
But I'm sure you remember the bookies being in the Indian dressing room during that epic collapse against SL in the 96 WC?
I know many will say, why does every inept performance have to be match fixing...but these are verified instances, where bookies were in the dressing room, and the CBI opened investigations, only for them to go away(as with most things in the sub continent).
I was reading article on this very issue in the times of india a couple of days ago...
Blaming BCCI for pulling their weight around is stupid, in any sport in the world if one entity is producing 75% of the income, it will command more power than others.
Infact BCCI are still being restrained. If some proper ambitious business man was incharge there, they could easily breakaway from ICC and run a cricket league based on India only. Think IPL but a 9 months long league like football one with tests, ODIs etc. They could pull off what Packer tried back in 80s.
Infact BCCI are still being restrained. If some proper ambitious business man was incharge there, they could easily breakaway from ICC and run a cricket league based on India only. Think IPL but a 9 months long league like football one with tests, ODIs etc. They could pull off what Packer tried back in 80s.
How does this make any sense?
This has nothing with BCCI being overbearing, or throwing its weight around. I am speaking of the BCCI taking care of the game in India, they are after all the custodians of the game are they not?
Their function is simply not to make money, they are also administrators of the sport in India, they have to take care of its well-being.
I was talking in general not just in this case. BCCI are a corrupt, power hungry body but now they are taking well care of cricket in India. Getting the best foreign talent to play in India will help young players here develop anyway.
Coming to the main point, I doubt there is any match fixing in Indian cricket anymore. Forget the marketing contracts, just playing a couple of series for India is enough to be set for life. Infact forget the IPL mega contracts, even Ranji players earn decent enough wages now days.
Then BCCI were one of the boards to actually take proper action against its players unlike say Australia who were the ones to let their players with a slap on the wrist. Let us not forget it was the Indian police who blew open the case back then anyway.
Even if Indian bookies are linked, BCCI would not be bothered unless any Indian cricketers are involved.
Coming to the main point, I doubt there is any match fixing in Indian cricket anymore. Forget the marketing contracts, just playing a couple of series for India is enough to be set for life. Infact forget the IPL mega contracts, even Ranji players earn decent enough wages now days.
Then BCCI were one of the boards to actually take proper action against its players unlike say Australia who were the ones to let their players with a slap on the wrist. Let us not forget it was the Indian police who blew open the case back then anyway.
Even if Indian bookies are linked, BCCI would not be bothered unless any Indian cricketers are involved.
Why not? It harms the credibility of the game. Sponsors spend millions because they want to be associated with something positive, not scandal.
Have you seen how quickly Aamer lost his kit sponsor?
As you say, India are the driving force in cricket, and reap the most benefit from it, it is beyond irresponsible for them to say, well the Bookies aren't targeting Indian players, so who cares.
Like I said, the ultimate responsibility is with individual players and boards, but India can't ignore that a part of the equation is residing in their backyard.
Indian public drives all the money for BCCI. And that would not stop unless any Indian cricketer is implicated. Even with Pak in this state, organise an Indo-Pak series tomorrow and millions will be poured in by sponsors with higher viewer ratings that Ashes.
Besides BCCI are not a law enforcement body who can go about conducting criminal investigations against bookies. ICC have their ACU which can they can send down there.
Nevermind, you are obviously not going to accept that the BCCI has links with the bookies, and in past investigations has been less than forthcoming, and instead hidden information so as to protect itself, and its head honchos.
The BCCI is not a law enforcement agency, but they exist to know the good and bad of the game, it is their responsibility to finger dodgy bookmakers, and potential trouble makers...I feel they are not doing this with as gusto as they could/should.
You patently feel differently, and feel if the Indian public get to watch cricket, and the stadiums are full, it's all that matters.
The BCCI is not a law enforcement agency, but they exist to know the good and bad of the game, it is their responsibility to finger dodgy bookmakers, and potential trouble makers...I feel they are not doing this with as gusto as they could/should.
You patently feel differently, and feel if the Indian public get to watch cricket, and the stadiums are full, it's all that matters.
BCCI is a sports administrative body. Despite all the money they have, they have no authority or responsibility to take action against illegal betting. Basically there's nothing they can or should do.
The Indian cops on the other hand should but with so many bigger problems, they probably (rightly) feel they'd rather not waste their time on trying to prosecute guys who basically don't really harm anybody and are in all likelihood well connected enough to avoid any actual convictions.
The only way around it is legalising betting. Once its out in the open and the big corporate houses get into it, the shady characters will slowly get drived out. Its not a quick solution but eventually the size of the money will make everybody more watchful that they're not getting cheated by fixing.
The Indian cops on the other hand should but with so many bigger problems, they probably (rightly) feel they'd rather not waste their time on trying to prosecute guys who basically don't really harm anybody and are in all likelihood well connected enough to avoid any actual convictions.
The only way around it is legalising betting. Once its out in the open and the big corporate houses get into it, the shady characters will slowly get drived out. Its not a quick solution but eventually the size of the money will make everybody more watchful that they're not getting cheated by fixing.
BCCI has links with bookmakers? That is the first I am hearing of it. They are bathing in millions, if they want to earn a buck or two, there are much easier ways than getting involved in betting. Something like 100k is nothing for them. Infact most of the people involved at the board level are already rich anyway, via being a politician or having some kind of business empire.
I have no idea why you think BCCI can somehow stop illegal betting. Even ACU is only there to catch players and not go after the bookies.
He's confusing it with the CBI.
Why not when he is right? He did something a bit dim (no surprise there with it being Warne) but there was no real problem with the information he gave (weather) and it was merely designed to get him in and no dount then try to influence matches later when he was in too deep.
You give the Indian system too much credit.
I have a feeling that even there is a decent amount of fixing even in the IPL (anyways it is just a feeling i get from watching the pattern of matches and results, not an allegation or anything)
ummm no, I'm not confusing it with the Central Bureau of Investigations. I am amazed at the blindness/defensiveness shown by the Indian fans on here,
BCCI can't investigate anything, India makes the most money, we don't need anyone.
This is an example of what I mean...money over integrity. They can't prosecute, they can't gt arrest warrants, but they sure as hell can help provide information, instead of asking for the world to back off...
weather and pitch, supposedly team selections too...these things obviously influence betting. That's what he go caught for, Lord knows what he and Mark got away with.
Like I said, Warne was never the smartest guy off the field(on field genius, and without the controversies, he would have been captain, not others), but being 'dim' doesn't do justice to someone selling out their integrity.
So ICC have suspended these players. Isn't this a classic case of guilty before proven innocent? Ok practically it isn't possible to play but how can they be suspended if the ICC hasn't even heard a case or given these guys a chance to defend themselves
It's the best solution. The PCB were always unlikely to suspend the players themselves, whilst imposing a ban would be harsh as they're not guilty of anything (yet). But because the evidence is so compelling against them, you can't allow them to carry on playing as everything they will do will be under intense scrutiny. Therefore, a suspension is the best solution for now.
No I think that is fair enough, at the hospital I work in, if there are serious allegations, staff/doctors are sent on administrative leave/suspension pending the result of a review/investigation.
I think this is the right decision, also maybe get these players thinking right, they will have to pay a price for their conduct, and maybe they should come clean, and bring down other silent partners, or undiscovered cheaters.
BCCI is one of the most corrupt bodies and with Sharad Pawar at the helm of the ICC, I don't think we are going to see much progress. He is a politician (and it goes without saying, a corrupt one). So to assume that there isn't a problem in Indian cricket with regard to match-fixing, is naive.
However, we have a very powerful board, which has enough power to sway the media. You don't find much criticism of the board, other than from someone fiercely independent like Bishen Singh Bedi (and maybe he has his own agenda too)
Exactly. I am not calling the BCCI the anti-christ, but on the one hand we have people saying, BCCI can do what it wants, have cricket in India 9 out of 12 months of the year, no need for anyone, but on the other hand, it supposedly is powerless against the vultures that sit by waiting to pick it apart.
Just read the according to the ICC rules, the case against the 3 pakistani players has to be brought up within 3 months, I certainly hope they don't take that long. The longer things take, the less people will care(of course things shouldn't be hurriedly in such a manner, that the investigation is compromised).
You are talking about a time when situation was completely different.ummm no, I'm not confusing it with the Central Bureau of Investigations. I am amazed at the blindness/defensiveness shown by the Indian fans on here,
BCCI can't investigate anything, India makes the most money, we don't need anyone.
This is an example of what I mean...money over integrity. They can't prosecute, they can't gt arrest warrants, but they sure as hell can help provide information, instead of asking for the world to back off...
BCCI gained this kind of power over last 8-10 years only. Back then it was still run by the English and the Oz. Back then such a scandal could have led to WC 96 going elsewhere, this time bar some major terrorist attack in an Indian city, WC 2011 is going no where.
Back then they may have protected certain bookies or what due to their personal gain or links. But the current situation in Indian cricket is such that no one needs to be involved in corruption related to match fixing. There is most definitely an underworld of bookies in India, who in all probability are more likely that others to be involved in such scandals. But as of now, BCCI have absolutely nothing to gain by shielding these characters. Neither they are in a position to eradicate them from the game.
BCCI may as well be anti-christ, listing their current power does not equate to defending them. They can have 9 out of 12 months cricket here, why do you think we play OZ so frequently now. Even they as the best team out there know, best way to earn is by playing India.
But I really am failing to comprehend how they are empowered to go around India, conduct raids and arrest these criminals.
BCCI are a corrupt body. They most definitely gain a lot of money from middle firms finalizing these sponsorship contracts. There already has been one scandal exposing someone paying selectors to get into the team. It is even more rampant in Ranji circles, even at U19 level. Politican sons getting to local teams at their whim is common in some states. These are some examples of their corruption and worthlessness.
And now we have Pak blaming Pawar being head of ICC as a reason behind this conspiracy.