Nordic Ghost Yeti (Scandi Carroll) | Haaland at City

[KeanoMagicHat]

Aguero for me was significantly better, though injured quite a bit.

Haaland has 3 more goals than Aguero in the Champions League in 36 fewer games, most of them for weaker teams than Aguero was playing for. It won't even be close by the end of their careers, Haaland is another level to Aguero.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Haaland has 3 more goals than Aguero in the Champions League in 36 fewer games, most of them for weaker teams than Aguero was playing for. It won't even be close by the end of their careers, Haaland is another level to Aguero.

Only in the goal stat. He is inferior in every other way, and can't drag City to wins when the team is performing badly. He is not an inspirational player that makes those around him better.

He can't dribble, he can't pass, he can't create. All he can do is goal hang around the box and score tap ins.

Aguero, as much as I hate, is a much better footballer, Haaland is a sensational goal scorer when everyone around him is playing well, but he is a dreadful footballer.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Only in the goal stat. He is inferior in every other way, and can't drag City to wins when the team is performing badly. He is not an inspirational player that makes those around him better.

He can't dribble, he can't pass, he can't create. All he can do is goal hang around the box and score tap ins.

Aguero, as much as I hate, is a much better footballer, Haaland is a sensational goal scorer when everyone around him is playing well, but he is a dreadful footballer.

He's better in the air than Aguero, far more physical presence, quicker over long distances, I would say a smarter footballer although it's close. Aguero was not great at passing either, Pep originally wanted someone else up front because of that. Better than Haaland at dribbling but he wasn't an elite dribbler. How many times did Aguero inspire City in Europe? They were not good there in his peak when they were relying on him to 'drag' them to wins. Aguero is a really good striker too, not saying he isn't, but Haaland is just a better striker.

It's like people forget how successful City have been since Haaland arrived, won a treble as soon as he arrived as his team's player of the season, then won the league last year. If you scrutinised Aguero throughout his career every time he didn't score a goal in every game, then I'm sure he would have got a lot of shit too. Haaland gets the Messi/Ronaldo 'oh he didn't score in this game' scrutiny, which is a sign of the regard he's held in that people care so much about that.

 

[The holy trinity 68]

He's better in the air than Aguero, far more physical presence, quicker over long distances, I would say a smarter footballer although it's close. Aguero was not great at passing either, Pep originally wanted someone else up front because of that. Better than Haaland at dribbling but he wasn't an elite dribbler. How many times did Aguero inspire City in Europe? They were not good there in his peak when they were relying on him to 'drag' them to wins. Aguero is a really good striker too, not saying he isn't, but Haaland is just a better striker.

It's like people forget how successful City have been since Haaland arrived, won a treble as soon as he arrived as his team's player of the season, then won the league last year. If you scrutinised Aguero throughout his career every time he didn't score a goal in every game, then I'm sure he would have got a lot of shit too. Haaland gets the Messi/Ronaldo 'oh he didn't score in this game' scrutiny, which is a sign of the regard he's held in that people care so much about that.

Haaland is a flat track bully and most of his goals come against fodder. All he is, is a goal scorer against teams that City are expected to beat anyway.

We have seen how good Haaland really is when City have been struggling. City scored goals for fun even before Haaland, it is just that the team is now more concentrated towards Haaland with less goals shared all round.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Haaland is a flat track bully and most of his goals come against fodder. All he is, is a goal scorer against teams that City are expected to beat anyway.

We have seen how good Haaland really is when City have been struggling. City scored goals for fun even before Haaland, it is just that the team is now more concentrated towards Haaland with less goals shared all round.

Well already this season he scored against Chelsea and Arsenal, the top two teams in the table they've played. Both were with really good forward play but that doesn't fit your narrative.

 

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[Chipper]

Does he not get chances anymore? Or he simply stopped converting chances into goals (because Rodri is out obviously).

Been getting plenty of chances still, more than anyone else in football. He's just missing them. 1 thing we can say is that his average xG per shot and per 90 is slightly down during this drop off in the league. Lack of penalties plays a part in that, City would normally have had one in a 7 game stretch. Still doesn't account for his wastefulness, he's been very bad at converting.

Last 7 league games (90 mins in each)
2 goals
6.23 xG at 0.89 per 90
36 shots
5.14 shots per 90
14 shots on target (38.9%)
14.3% shot on target to goal ratio
Average xG of shot = 0.17
1 goal every 18 shots

First 5 League games, 90 mins in each & completely unustainable
10 goals
5.69 xG at 1.13 per 90
25 shots
5.00 shots per 90
18 shots on target (72%)
55.6% shot on target to goal ratio
Average xG of shot = 0.23
1 goal every 2.5 shots

Last season in the league = 28.4 x 90 mins
27 goals
29.57 xG at 1.04 per 90
113 shots
3.98 shots per 90
50 shots on target (44.2%)
54% shot on target to goal ratio
Average xG of shot = 0.26
1 goal every 4.2 shots

 

[The holy trinity 68]

Well already this season he scored against Chelsea and Arsenal, the top two teams in the table they've played. Both were with really good forward play but that doesn't fit your narrative.

Doesn't matter, he is still not a better footballer than Aguero. You are bewitched by the Messi/Ronaldo era of high scoring stats and think goals alone make a player better.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Doesn't matter, he is still not a better footballer than Aguero. You are bewitched by the Messi/Ronaldo era of high scoring stats and think goals alone make a player better.

I'm not bewitched, I have made the exact argument of goals not being the only thing in threads bigging up Hazard and other players. The main word attributed to Aguero was 'goalscorer' that was his main attribute so it's fair to talk about goals. He wasn't a forward like Firmino, so it's fair to compare them that way.

I don't think Doku is all that either. Lacks end product.

You are bewitched by the Messi/Ronaldo era of high scoring stats and think goals alone make a player better.

 

[Fobal]

He's better in the air than Aguero, far more physical presence, quicker over long distances, I would say a smarter footballer although it's close. Aguero was not great at passing either, Pep originally wanted someone else up front because of that. Better than Haaland at dribbling but he wasn't an elite dribbler. How many times did Aguero inspire City in Europe? They were not good there in his peak when they were relying on him to 'drag' them to wins. Aguero is a really good striker too, not saying he isn't, but Haaland is just a better striker.

It's like people forget how successful City have been since Haaland arrived, won a treble as soon as he arrived as his team's player of the season, then won the league last year. If you scrutinised Aguero throughout his career every time he didn't score a goal in every game, then I'm sure he would have got a lot of shit too. Haaland gets the Messi/Ronaldo 'oh he didn't score in this game' scrutiny, which is a sign of the regard he's held in that people care so much about that.

Kun wasn't just a striker even if it's true that in City he was more lazy than in his prior teams and he was deployed closer to the rival's net and demanded to score more goals than in his prior teams.

His all around game was way better better than Erling. You just have to see any vid of his former mates talking about that. Kun played a great deal of his carreer as mediapunta, it's quite bizarre your take.

. He had a great range of pases in him, Pep wanted someone to open the flanks and pressure more than just Aguero making shadow on one CB, they had an arrange regarding that when Kun didn't wanted to do a Julian Alvarez/Gabriel Jesus.
In fact it's sthg nowadays City lacks, some fella to bully the rival's defense to open them, to create some havoc from where Erling is an expert to take advantage.
. He knew even how to hold ball with his back against the net, he had composure even bullied against bigger fellas
. Just better than Halland at dribbling? when Erling does not dribble his own shadow and Aguero some have some great slaloms in his CV, come on!.
. He had a better overall technique striking the ball either
. BTW Erling if anything it's not that great in the air given his height, because he has to improve his heading technique, many times he reaches the ball, but have problems to place it, Aguero was really good in such aspect being a midget

You are talking about Aguero as if he was Pipo Inzaghi.

. Erling is even better than el Kun in finding were any ball would land in the little area. (yet it wasn't atrait Kun didn't had)
. He is faster in open space and there he is also very powerfull, not that much when it comes to hold it standing or in tight spaces

I won't even argue about Erling being a better goalscorer, whatever or however he does it, the numbers speak for themselves and with this rythim his name would be written in stone for the ages, but your assessment of Aguero it's way off.

PD: Kun was scrutinized as hell too, that's why there is to an extent an over the top harsh take on his CL goals, he wasn't as bad as it's said, City was quite naif as a whole in those days more than falling only because of him or City only winning it because of Erling, worse when Erling didn't precisly scored that many individually out of the blue goals either to put a "he carried City" tag on him.
And BTW I'm not from those that do not appreciate goals on every stage of any KO competition, cause you need them in all of them, there are no final stages if someone does not put the ball in the net prior to even get there...WCs , CLs, Libertadores has a huge graveyard of incredible teams that didn't even reach the round of 16 because of that, but Erling wasn't eithr precisly outstanding on many KO and big matches in CL or even the League itself and I'm not talking of missing goals, every striker does it, but being quite a lesser version of himself.

Kun has to blame himself for being quite lazy in training and in matches, ending in more than probably in too many missed matches and recovering time issues due to an excessive ammount of constant injuries. His personality also wasn't Tevez alike, because he always thought that he could solve anything due to his superb technical ability and sometimes more is needed at some point, he could have been even better and had an even better carreer, more than probably, but he is not the player you had described at all.

 

[KeanoMagicHat]

Kun wasn't just a striker even if it's true that in City he was more lazy than in his prior teams and he was deployed closer to the rival's net and demanded to score more goals than in his prior teams.

His all around game was way better better than Erling. You just have to see any vid of his former mates talking about that. Kun played a great deal of his carreer as mediapunta, it's quite bizarre your take.

. He had a great range of pases in him, Pep wanted someone to open the flanks and pressure more than just Aguero making shadow on one CB, they had an arrange regarding that when Kun didn't wanted to do a Julian Alvarez/Gabriel Jesus.In fact it's sthg nowadays City lacks, some fella to bully the ribval's defense to open defenses, to create some havoc from where Erling is an expert to take advantage.
. He knew even how to hold ball with his back against the net, he had composure even bullied against bigger fellas
. Just better than Halland at dribbling? when Erling does not dribble his own shadow and Aguero some have some great slaloms in his CV, come on!.
. He had a better overall technique striking the ball either
. BTW Erling if anything it's not that great in the air given his height, because he has to improve his heading technique, many times he reaches the ball, but have problems to place it, Aguero was really good in such aspect being a midget

You are talking about Aguero as if he was Pipo Inzaghi.

. Erling is even better than el Kun in finding were any ball would land in the little area. (yet it wasn't atrait Kun didn't had)
. He is faster in open space and there he is also very powerfull, not that much when it comes to hold it standing or in tight spaces

I won't even argue about Erling being a better goalscorer, whatever or however he does it, the numbers speak for themselves and with this rythim his name would be written in stone for the ages, but your assessment of Aguero it's way off.

PD: Kun was scrutinized as hell too, that's why there is to an extent an over the top harsh take on his CL goals, he wasn't as bad as it's said, City was quite naif as a whole in those days more than falling only because of him or City only winning it because of Erling, worse when Erling didn't precisly scored that many individually out of the blue goals either to put a "he carried City" tag on him.
And BTW I'm not from those that do not appreciate goals on every stage of any KO competition, cause you need them in all of them, there are no final stages if someone does not put the ball in the net prior to even get there...WCs , CLs, Libertadores has a huge graveyard of incredible teams that didn't even reach the round of 16 because of that, but Erling wasn't eithr precisly outstanding on many KO and big matches in CL or even the League itself and I'm not talking of missing goals, every striker does it, but being quite a lesser version of himself.

Kun has to blame himself for being quite lazy in training and in matches, ending in more than probably in too many missed matches and recovering time issues due to an excessive ammount of constant injuries. His personality also wasn't Tevez alike, because he always thought that he could solve anything due to his superb technical ability and sometimes more is needed at some point, he could have been even better and had an even better carreer, more than probably, bt he is not teh player you had described at all.

I said Aguero was better at dribbling but he didn't play mediapunta at City for the most part, he played in a similar position/role to Haaland. Earlier in his career at Atletico he was impressive in more of an all-round forward role.

Yes Haaland is not that great in the air but just by courtesy of being much taller, he is going to win and score more headers than Aguero. Haaland's shooting technique is underrated, he can place a ball at high power from hardly any backlift and from tight spaces.

No I'm not talking about Aguero as if he was Inzaghi, that's what everyone here is calling Haaland! Neither of them are like Inzaghi at all, (I don't know why he's always used as the go-to derogatory striker btw, he was a fine striker too). Aguero is more like a poorer version of Romario. Haaland is more like a faster and more powerful version of Van Nistelrooy if we are going to make comparisons. Aguero was a very good striker, just that Haaland has a higher ceiling imo, he scores at a rate rarely ever seen and no they aren't all easy tap-ins.

His goal against Arsenal this year for example in what people consider the best CB partnership in the league - holding and bending his run expertly and then accelerating at the right time and slotting past the goalkeeper. It's hard to do that and he made it look easy, as he has done his whole career.

 

[Fobal]

I said Aguero was better at dribbling but he didn't play mediapunta at City for the most part, he played in a similar position/role to Haaland. Earlier in his career at Atletico he was impressive in more of an all-round forward role.

Yes Haaland is not that great in the air but just by courtesy of being much taller, he is going to win and score more headers than Aguero. Haaland's shooting technique is underrated, he can place a ball at high power from hardly any backlift and from tight spaces.

No I'm not talking about Aguero as if he was Inzaghi, that's what everyone here is calling Haaland! Neither of them are like Inzaghi at all, (I don't know why he's always used as the go-to derogatory striker btw, he was a fine striker too). Aguero is more like a poorer version of Romario. Haaland is more like a faster and more powerful version of Van Nistelrooy if we are going to make comparisons. Aguero was a very good striker, just that Haaland has a higher ceiling imo, he scores at a rate rarely ever seen and no they aren't all easy tap-ins.

His goal against Arsenal this year for example in what people consider the best CB partnership in the league - holding and bending his run expertly and then accelerating at the right time and slotting past the goalkeeper. It's hard to do that and he made it look easy, as he has done his whole career.

The thing is that saying that Aguero was better than Erling at dribbling, it's like saying that Kun was a better dribbler than Stephen Hawkings, while in the meantime saying that he wasn't a Top dribbler leaving Erling aside, it's also very wrong too.
Implying that he wasn't a great passer, hadn't great composure, holding, etc etc it's also wrong.
Even if at City he didn' t played as much as mediapunta as in Aleti or Independiente, he still went time and again deeper to combine, grab the ball and create space with his passing and dribbling. City needed that BTW.
He did all that at a very high level, without even bringing Erling to the equation...including him? would be a lot worse for the Norwegian if he gets compared in such aspects.

You can see in this very thread that I defended many times Erling, that I do not think he had been used in a way that his pace and power can be more exploited, that I do not think of him as just a poacher at all.

But the thing it's that in order to defend his NAME on football history and nowadays, there si also no need to dig on Kun, that his main issues weren't football wise, but more related to his attitude towards being more commit to be a better pro and less of chubby lazy fella. I don't think that every injured he had was just bad luck.

At the end of the day, Erling at this trend will destroy record after record and his name would be secure for the ages among the greatest goalscorers ever with his numbers, yet if someone preffers, or finds Aguero as a better player overall, it's not a crime, nor we have to start saying that he wasn't a top dribbler, or passer, etc etc.

Finally, yeap, Erling its' not just tap ins, but he has a great fecking majority of oportunistic goals than great individual ones and some acrobatic one from time to time.
He has a shot in him? yes, does he has an overall better shot/strike than Kun? not for me, in fact for a player of such size and power, I would like to see more of Batistuta in him, even without great placing.
He is prolific as fvck with the weapons and reading he has, his name at this rate will be huge, but let's not demerit other players, nor go over them top with his atributes, because later people when not scoring, being a bit clouncy or even sometimes not participating at all, will fall even harder on him with silly remarks of calling him Inzaghi


PD: Pipo, was alright and a clever annoying fella in the good sense, but far also from a great striker, yet unlike Erling, with a tendency for the huge important goal and always to the very least annoying the hell of the oppossing team.

 

[B20]

Aguero not an elite dribbler? He was a fantastic dribbler. Few players more comfortable with the ball in crowded spaces than him.

 

[Nogbadthebad]

Good as he is at scoring, I still recon you put haaland on the pitch instead of aguero against QPR in 2012 and we win the title, not them.

 

[MrWilliams]

Good as he is at scoring, I still recon you put haaland on the pitch instead of aguero against QPR in 2012 and we win the title, not them.

I never made this connection until now but you are very very correct in your assessment.

 

[SonOfFergie]

Only in the goal stat. He is inferior in every other way, and can't drag City to wins when the team is performing badly. He is not an inspirational player that makes those around him better.

He can't dribble, he can't pass, he can't create. All he can do is goal hang around the box and score tap ins.

Aguero, as much as I hate, is a much better footballer, Haaland is a sensational goal scorer when everyone around him is playing well, but he is a dreadful footballer.

Totally agree. Aguero was on another level to Haaland. Haaland outside of a burst of speed he has (if he has space to run into) is basically playing like a nordic big man Inzaghi. Elite poacher but that's about it. And with no space to spring offside trap into.