Nordic Ghost Yeti (Scandi Carroll) | Haaland at City

An unpopular opinion that's not so unpopular ATM. I've been saying it for some time City play better without Haaland. Yes he scores lots of goals but doesn't do anything much besides that. In important games he hasn't scored and sure looks like a liability.

it’s mental to say it, and at any other team would be ridiculous. But the way Pep sets everything out, they would arguably be better just getting another attacking player on the pitch who can contribute in the buildup and play that intricate passing.

Alvarez was really good up front for them, now he looks less effective when being paired with Haaland. He may not be a better goalscorer or even necessarily a better player, but he is a better fit for the football City play. Haaland stretches the defence and occupies defenders, but he just isn’t involved enough - it seems not uncommon for him to have games with less than 10 touches. If he is scoring 3 of them then that is one thing, but that was never going to be sustainable.
 
I just don’t like the kind of player he is. Very limited, but just a stat machine. From what I’ve seen of both I think Hojland could be the better player long term.
 
He's missed a lot of chances this season. Still has 16 league goals but really needs to be hitting a goal a game or man of the match in key games to be in contention for the best player awards given other limitations in his game.

From what I’ve seen of both I think Hojland could be the better player long term.

Let’s not go too far, they’re operating in different worlds.
 
City don't need him the majority of the time, he is really just there for the small handful of games during a season were they come up against actual competition. However he is going to continue to smash scoring records.
 
Brutal since his return. We rely so much on his goals but when he's bad he's awful.
Most games he doesn't score will be shocking performances, due to how uninvolved he is.

There was never much currency in the "his presence means everyone else thrives" claims. You won't miss him when and if he leaves. And he won't last more than three seasons at Madrid either before they get tired of his one note shtick.
 
He will always score goals and break records but I think if Guardiola decides to stay at City for the foreseeable future he'll end up getting rid of Haaland in the next few years.
 
He will score hundreds of goals but I won’t remember a single one
 
He's missed a lot of chances this season. Still has 16 league goals but really needs to be hitting a goal a game or man of the match in key games to be in contention for the best player awards given other limitations in his game.



Let’s not go too far, they’re operating in different worlds.
Hojland is only just starting out. Think he has potential to be a better more rounded overall player even with less goals.
 
I want to Halland to spectacularly fail as much as anyone, but don't get this criticism... you just fear and expect it to come back and embarass the comments in a few weeks time.
 
Over 2.5 years older if we are being petty.

True but at Hojlund’s age, Haaland also scored more goals in than Hojlund’s entire career too, 41 for Dortmund. If Hojlund reaches the level of Haaland in even one season of Haaland’s career so far, we will all be delighted.
 
I want to Halland to spectacularly fail as much as anyone, but don't get this criticism... you just fear and expect it to come back and embarass the comments in a few weeks time.

All he ever does is hoover up the back post tap-ins and penalties that City were perfectly capable of scoring anyway.

They scored 99 goals the season before he arrived. Then 'added' the goals of this record breaking cheat code striker and scored 94, while winning all their big cup games in spite of him rather than because of him.
 
All he ever does is hoover up the back post tap-ins and penalties that City were perfectly capable of scoring anyway.

They scored 99 goals the season before he arrived. Then 'added' the goals of this record breaking cheat code striker and scored 94, while winning all their big cup games in spite of him rather than because of him.

Even before he had kicked a ball for City, many people were predicting that exact outcome - he'd get a ton of goals himself, but City wouldn't score more in total. Still, it's hard to really point the finger at him yet, considering the fact that they won everything they could win in his first season there.

In terms of his performances in the important games, I do seem to remember him bullying Arsenal in a must-win game, when they were reeling them in.

I don't think he will develop much as a player, even though he is only 23. I can't see him becoming a fantastic hold-up player, or being very effective dropping deep like Kane. He is that goal poacher type, and he has almost perfected that already.
 
I almost hope he breaks Ronaldo's scoring records (away from City) just for the fan boy meltdowns.
 
I almost hope he breaks Ronaldo's scoring records (away from City) just for the fan boy meltdowns.

Get ready for his future fanboys who will be much worse than Ronaldo's. Haaland seems like a out of touch human being with no style and charisma whatsoever.
 
Get ready for his future fanboys who will be much worse than Ronaldo's. Haaland seems like a out of touch human being with no style and charisma whatsoever.

What do you mean by "out of touch human being"? Curious.

I agree he's a bit of a one dimensional boring player.
 
It’s not a surprise that he doesn’t thrive in City’s setup, where he is reduced to just a finisher.

He was an absolute menace when playing for Dortmund when he had a bit of space to use his pace or his strength to get in 1v1 to either score or create a bit of chaos in the defense.

For City as a 9 you either need to drop and play one touch passes, or hang around the penalty area waiting for the ball, which really don’t play to his strengths.

We have a bit of a similar problem with Hojlund where we don’t play to his strengths. These guys will still find ways to score but will have underwhelming all round performances
 
True but at Hojlund’s age, Haaland also scored more goals in than Hojlund’s entire career too, 41 for Dortmund. If Hojlund reaches the level of Haaland in even one season of Haaland’s career so far, we will all be delighted.
Pretty reductionist way of seeing things but you do you.
 
it’s mental to say it, and at any other team would be ridiculous. But the way Pep sets everything out, they would arguably be better just getting another attacking player on the pitch who can contribute in the buildup and play that intricate passing.

Alvarez was really good up front for them, now he looks less effective when being paired with Haaland. He may not be a better goalscorer or even necessarily a better player, but he is a better fit for the football City play. Haaland stretches the defence and occupies defenders, but he just isn’t involved enough - it seems not uncommon for him to have games with less than 10 touches. If he is scoring 3 of them then that is one thing, but that was never going to be sustainable.
I think Alvarez was affected with the return of KDB, Alvarez was basically playing in KDB's position and now he looks kind of out of place.

Haaland's problem with city is he's excellent burying chances but he's not technical enough to contribute to the build up. The way Pep plays involves plenty of touches and movement to create space.

Him not being technical enough for this ends up wasting plenty of possesion so they just don't use him like that. They keep him just like a target man and that's why we see games like you said with him having ridiculously low number of touches.

Against opposition that's well packed in the defense having a player that seems so out of place in the system you've build seems odd. There's games where he's simply anonymous I know he's Haaland and they won't bench him, but having Alvarez upfront in games where they can't bully opposition would be better overall I'd said.
 
As I always said, Haaland is not the right striker for City.

Kane or Benzema would fit like a glove to Guardiola's system and would make City even more dominant they are now, especially Benzema, a natural born winner.
 
As I always said, Haaland is not the right striker for City.

Kane or Benzema would fit like a glove to Guardiola's system and would make City even more dominant they are now, especially Benzema, a natural born winner.

He scored 50 goals or something mad like that for City last season .. :eek:
 
He scored 50 goals or something mad like that for City last season .. :eek:

We're talking about City, a team where even Sterling, a notorious finisher, scored 31 goals a season in all competitions. City is a team that turned Premier League into a 1-team league even without a proper striker, probably the most dominant PL side ever along with SAF's United in some periods.

City with Haaland in PL 2022-23
94 goals

City without Haaland in PL
2021-22 - 99 goals
2019-20 102 goals
2018-19 - 95 goals
2017-18 - 106 goals

As you can see, City's problem is not scoring goals with or without a proper striker. If anything, Haaland benefited more from being a part of such a great team than the other way round.
 
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There’s definitely something to the argument that they’re a stronger unit without him. He’s just so limited outside of his goalscoring, and while the idea of that being an issue sounds a bit preposterous, in the modenr game it really isn’t since centre forwards are expected to contribute more than just goals.
 
We're talking about City, a team where even Sterling, a notorious finisher, scored 31 goals in all competitions. City is a team that turned Premier League into a 1-team league even without a proper striker, probably the most dominant PL side ever along with SAF's United in some periods.

City with Haaland in PL 2022-23
94 goals

City without Haaland in PL
2021-22 - 99 goals
2019-20 102 goals
2018-19 - 95 goals
2017-18 - 106 goals

As you can see, City's problem is not scoring goals with or without a proper striker. If anything, Haaland benefited more from being a part of such a great team than the other way round.

City without Haaland

18-19 - 0 CL
19-20 - 0 CL
20/21 - 0 CL
21/22 - 0 CL

City with Haaland
22-23 - 1 CL

Thats a weird take, City scored 148 in all comps last season as opposed to 146 the season before and 129 in 20/21 season. so a couple of goals in the league either way makes no real difference.
5 less goals and 1 extra Champions League is a trade any manager would take.
 
There’s definitely something to the argument that they’re a stronger unit without him. He’s just so limited outside of his goalscoring, and while the idea of that being an issue sounds a bit preposterous, in the modenr game it really isn’t since centre forwards are expected to contribute more than just goals.

No there isn't. There's no proof of that.

The best performance City have had with Haaland in their team is the demolition of Real Madrid at home, 4-0. Since he has arrived at City, they've not bettered that performance in games without him.

When people say, "City are better off than Haaland", they're most likely referring to Pep's first iteration of City, and it's an ignorant take. That team was scintillating, but had a fatal flaw in terms of being prone to defensive collapses and malfunctions in high profile games triggered by counters. And as a result, Pep started working on making City more methodical and deliberate in the buildup. They were more exciting to watch, but I wouldn't say they were a better side.

City's second iteration was more mature, but couldn't put chances away, which hurt them in Porto and against Madrid the season before they finally won it, due to the lack of a reliable focal point.

With Haaland there were teething problems, which Pep solved with having Stones drift into midfield, providing the extra man there, and allowing Haaland to do what he does. This season, with Stones out due to injury, Gundogan/Mahrez (players who facilitated a more patient buildup) gone, the composition of the team has been different, and I think that has hurt City on both ends.

And it's fair to ask whether Haaland's skill-set is optimized for a side with Doku and Alvarez and Foden and De Bruyne behind him (it isn't). That is too chaotic of a selection for Pep ball which is patient and probing and choking at its best. But their strongest team has Haaland as the focal point, with the right personnel behind him.
 
City without Haaland

18-19 - 0 CL
19-20 - 0 CL
20/21 - 0 CL
21/22 - 0 CL

City with Haaland
22-23 - 1 CL

Thats a weird take, City scored 148 in all comps last season as opposed to 146 the season before and 129 in 20/21 season. so a couple of goals in the league either way makes no real difference.
5 less goals and 1 extra Champions League is a trade any manager would take.

what kind of logic is this? As if it was Haaland that took City to CL title and treble by ghosting in every single semi & finals scoring 0 g&a.
Haaland was brought to make a difference in the later rounds of the CL, and he just shitted the bed not only in CL but all competitions final rounds, bailed out by his teammated scoring 12 in 7 games on his behalf so that he can post a selfie with treble cups.

City with Guardiola
1 CL
1 CL final
4 PL titles in 5 years
1 treble

City without Guardiola
0 CL title
0 CL final
no dominance of PL
0 treble

do you want me to do the same for KDB, Rodri etc.?