NO manager can fix this!

City
Liverpool
Arsenal
Spurs
Newcastle
Villa
Chelsea

All have better squads than us. That's what any new manager is up against.
 
DWelbz19 said:
We bought players he wanted, though
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I’m not so sure.. there were strong rumours of Kim Min Jae and Harry Kane last summer, we ended up with Johnny Evans and an unknown kid… technically they’re all players he wanted.. but it may have been a take it or leave it kind of deal? Ole and LVG’s comments about recruitment certainly don’t give the impression they were handed whichever players they desired on a silver platter either.. I think every manager we have here is working with a hand tied behind his back, and so was Fergie to an extent
 
The club is a mess from top to bottom.

But the crazy thing is with all the talk of 25% actually makes the background even more complicated.

This isn’t getting any better any time soon.

Sure you can spend millions changing the guy in the technical area if you want, but don't be surprised when nothing actually changes once the dust settles once again.
 
Salford_Red83 said:
What about the absolute refusal to drop an out of form Rashford? Or to continue playing Bruno on the right? Or to play McTominay from the start? Or to play Evans and Maguire at CB with Lindelof at LB when you have Varane and Reguilon on the bench? Or to start Eriksen?

Are any of these decisions down to the Glazers?
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i never mentioned any of them, and nor was I defending EtH, i replied specifically about why Hojlund was subbed
 
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The Irish Connection said:
Yes, but the manager had a huge say in us signing Mount and Antony for a combined 140m.
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Did he though? Personally I don’t think Mount was top of his list.. he may have been “on a list” somewhere? and just randomly became available? Who knows? And we dragged our heels so much last summer, we ended up over paying for Antony.. is that Ten Hags fault? I’m sure he would have happily got him for less, and probably thought that we would.. you know how United tax works.. we get stiffed on outgoings AND incomings..
We need someone like Mitchell to overhaul the entire thing.. it’s rotten
 
The style of football has to be down to the coaching staff, the owners are useless but you can't blame them for ETH being unable to implement a clear style of play after 18 months of being in charge.
 
Could it be that we keep appointing mediocre managers?

Moyes has ended up at West Ham. LvG went into semi-retirement. Jose is at Roma. OGS is still unemployed...
 
Manager fault, Players fault, Manager fault, Players fault....rinse & repeat for the last 10 years.

Whatever the case the club is fecked and has been fecked for quite some time.

Hopefully the next thread we can put the blame on Santa Claus because its like groundhog day around these parts after a loss.
 
big_jeffstar said:
I’m not so sure.. there were strong rumours of Kim Min Jae and Harry Kane last summer, we ended up with Johnny Evans and an unknown kid… technically they’re all players he wanted.. but it may have been a take it or leave it kind of deal? Ole and LVG’s comments about recruitment certainly don’t give the impression they were handed whichever players they desired on a silver platter either.. I think every manager we have here is working with a hand tied behind his back, and so was Fergie to an extent
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It was worse for him. Even if we take into account a certain (merited) level of self-belief about the power to transform a B level side into A grade results, it surely wasn't his choice to fail to invest in the midfield at 'no value in the market', when we were bringing Scholes back from retirement, or to sell Ronaldo for 80m and simply replace him with Valencia and Owen. There wasn't a transfer window post 07 that another top-class European club or manager would have countenanced (a modern day Barca would have just done financial skullduggery rather than allow the team to atrophy like that and then jump to Van Persie as a one-shot sticking plaster).

None of the money spent is the Glazers but there have at least been funds released, and not just for 'marquee' players either - it is a combination of terrible oversight , with no centralized top-class SD, but also managers being allowed to make the most ill-informed choices. It's been confirmed in interviews by managers/players that players who were lined up by outgoing managers and would have improved us, were vetoed by incoming ones for objectively poorer players ( Thiago, because Moyes was chasing Fabregas abetted by Woodie; Kroos, when LVG turned down finalizing the (Moyes orchestrated) deal and allowed Madrid to come in a week later).
 
SirScholes said:
absolute tripe, you give a good manager 400m to spend and they spend it wisely and you fix issues
ffs eddie howe has managed it at Newcastle by following basic principles and not blowing 80 mil on a shite winger from the dutch league
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Exactly the reality is that Erik isn't a very good manager / coach. United with the exception of Mourinho have hired bottom tier individuals. A good example of what a top manager who underperforms at one club is that they obtain success at another. Between Mourinho to Ole their careers at this present time mediate between mediocre and unemployed. Compare that to someone like Ancelotti.

Jose has been the best manager and this isn't to slate him but just like Eriksen or Casemiro he was acquired towards the latter end of his managerial peak. If United had signed quality manager after quality coach then this thread has relevance but all the managers named have been average respectively.
 
Utd are like Chelsea have been for years.

No structure or direction from the top, players who no matter what are seemingly undroppable, a group of players who suit different styles who don't gel and end up disjointed all over the pitch regardless of what approach is taken.

Not saying no manager can fix it, you'll get someone that maybe can bind them for a year or two with a few additions but then it will fall apart again. And the cycle will continue this way unitl there is a clearly defined approach to football, the coaching staff and the manager. But most importantly player recruitment, players with a tough winning mentality that are hard working and intelligent. Technically excellent players who are able to adapt to different instructions, situations and approaches.
 
Crashoutcassius said:
ETH is supposed to be a world class coach. He has better players than how the team are playing. Forget about his signings etc ... That is the crux of the matter. He isnt coaching the team well. That is separate from the owners
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This puts it perfectly.

We do not have the squad to be world beaters but we certainly have a squad that should be playing better than it is & also, in the areas the squad is short he holds some blame for his recruitment.
 
Who's Kissing Cameras? said:
The only point that is in ETHs favour is that Arteta went through an even worse period of form. With no attacking style. Then it all clicked.
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Few things here, while he was serving us utter shit on field in his first 18-24 months. He did sort out other off field issues.
1. Gave chances to young players in Saka/ESR/Martinelli
2. Cleared the decks by pushing Ozil/Auba out
3. Also was part of forming a recruitment strategy to buy u23 players.
4. Was not given huge amount of money early. Had to prove himself to get owner buyin. Which he did.

Offcourse Ange/Emery are doing very well early on but that is not given also they are not working for such a huge club. Same Emery did not work well for us. Taking a long term approach is important which Arteta/Edu clearly highlighted aswell.

There are mangers out there who can fix things but first getting a good DoF is important and get a young manger like Alonso in and give him time. Alonso seems a pretty good bet to me. Not sure he takes the job because of Liverpool connection though.
 
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Nonsense thread. Utter nonsense of a thread. There are a catalogue of better managers out there than ETH at the moment. He is basically a fecking clown. So basically hiring someone better than a clown would immediately make us better.
I watched no part of todays game yet I see the team he picked, the subs he made and the players out of position and it’s clear he’s an absolute clown. There is no more element of doubt. When you don’t even need to watch a football match anymore but just look at the line up and subs to know that a manager is getting it wrong. It’s a sign it’s time to go.
 
Who would these players actually respect as a manager because starting to wonder. They have been throwing managers under the bus for a decade now and are at it again
 
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R'hllor said:
We dont need a fix, we need someone brave enough to sacrifice by clearing the deck, whole fecking deck of these overpaid pricks, sell, drop in reserves, give them paid leave whatever.

If we have to watch a lower mid tier quality of football and piss poor performances, rather watch some unknowns that are on 20k per week that matches with their performance, clowns look like they have no idea to pass, play football in general, not to mention shit effort and they being north of 100k with ez, feck that. Nice way to set up a leech culture, fecking cnuts.
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Clearly he isn't brave enough to do it,feels very much like player power still runs amok
 
Tyrion said:
Why does it feel like that?
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Because Bruno & Rashford wouldn't get away with this under a top manager. The problem is IF he drops them I can see poison being dripped into other players ears so toxicity gets even worse
 
If mourinho was backed and allowed to get rid of the viruses it would have been sorted before it got bad.
 
croadyman said:
Because Bruno & Rashford wouldn't get away with this under a top manager. The problem is IF he drops them I can see poison being dripped into other players ears so toxicity gets even worse
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You mean bad performances? Who will he replace them with?
 
Compton22 said:
Yes, ETH must shoulder some of the blame with decisions that he has made, but let's not forget what the key issue is here.

You really think more than half of the transfer targets acquired this summer were his 1st choice? Even 2nd choice? Let alone the injuries he's had to deal with.

The form of Rashford and Fernandes has been inexcusable and yet again, the players are downing tools on the manager and putting 0 effort in because they know it'll all come down on ETH's head.

We find ourselves once again, at the part of the post Ferguson cycle where the manager is to blame. Let's be real and just accept that until the main problems at the top of the club are dealt with i.e. the Glazers, director of football, debt clearance, NO manager or player will succeed at this club! The rot is too deep for anyone to fix at a 1st team managerial level, it's a literal graveyard.

I'm so sad at what this great club has become :(
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Take a breathe and there’s like a hundred threads this could have gone under.
 
You didnt have a good manager since great man.
 
I don’t know who will succeed but I just want us to give up on big signings, big wages and start focusing purely on building a cohesive possession based football style which is above any individuals. Enough spending big money on overrated names, fielding players with tactical weaknesses and failing to move away from a failed DNA (in this modern age).
 
Compton22 said:
Yes, ETH must shoulder some of the blame with decisions that he has made, but let's not forget what the key issue is here.

You really think more than half of the transfer targets acquired this summer were his 1st choice? Even 2nd choice? Let alone the injuries he's had to deal with.

The form of Rashford and Fernandes has been inexcusable and yet again, the players are downing tools on the manager and putting 0 effort in because they know it'll all come down on ETH's head.

We find ourselves once again, at the part of the post Ferguson cycle where the manager is to blame. Let's be real and just accept that until the main problems at the top of the club are dealt with i.e. the Glazers, director of football, debt clearance, NO manager or player will succeed at this club! The rot is too deep for anyone to fix at a 1st team managerial level, it's a literal graveyard.

I'm so sad at what this great club has become :(
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This is complete bollocks.
 
Were playing more or less the same players and expecting different results. Why did anyone think a team with McTominay, Maguire, Lindelof, Rashford, Bruno and so on would fare better this time than the previous dozen times we've played them? Its not like we've added crazy talents at the peak of their career with Evans and Eriksen.
We shop in the bargain basement for obscure full backs for 15m hoping to strike gold in between buying marketable england internationals for hugely inflated fee's (not the ones you'd really want like Kane though).
 
Good recruitment is fundamental to success.

We give every coach too much power.
 
Team needs a full reset yet again. Too many average players in that squad and some of them allowed to do whatever they want on the pitch. We have Hojlund up front that should be feeding off crosses yet we have Rashford and Antony on the wings who never cross and always cut in from the wing into the middle and either shoot or lose the ball. We need proper wingers and width, Rashford cannot play the wing role at all, last season we over performed due to moments in games to win them, we were never convincing in many games last year.

This seasons transfers have been chaotic, Mount is not what we needed at all, Onana has not been great, yes made some good saves yesterday but still not convincing. The Foden header he parried out to Haaland in the middle of the goal is not what you want from the keeper, should be pushed away from danger, he recovered to take it off Haaland. His distribution was long ball and not that accurate, hes not been an upgrade on DDG so far. Playing Evans and Maguire was suicide, both were fairly solid, Maguire was lethargic on the ball when he got it but then again who was he passing to that would make a difference?

The manager has to accept resposnibility for the performances, he picks the teams and instills the tactics, hes out of his depth at the club and a change is needed. Taking Amrabat off and moving McT further from goal when hes our most in form midfielder scoring goals. Bringing on Mount at halftime instead of starting him ahead of Eriksen, Bruno at RW, Hojlund off before Rashford and Lindelof at LB who was caught napping multiple times. The press isnt working either so many gaps in the midfield area as well, anytime City pressed they had 2/3 players around us and we couldnt beat their press. We were lucky we didnt get thumped 5/6 today and it wouldve been deserved.

The uncertainty of the ownership isnt helping matters either, it needs resolved and the Glazers need to leave, its the only way the club will be able to reset and cleanse with a proper structure.
 
Leftback99 said:
City
Liverpool
Arsenal
Spurs
Newcastle
Villa
Chelsea

All have better squads than us. That's what any new manager is up against.
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Yet Chelsea are below us… they can’t really be included when they’re worse than us.
 
Jacob said:
Good recruitment is fundaMENTAL to success.

We give every coach too much power.
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Mental is part of the word. Which needs to be bolded because you're mental if you don't have a good time
 
I disagree! Barca were in a similar situation as us but Xavi didn't let it stop him from doing what he thought was necessary. Kicked out players not suited to his system, set up a system to elevate the team to more than a sum of it's parts and wasn't afraid to use his young players.
Don't tell me no manager can fix this because that is absolute BS!
 
The whole structure of the club needs improving from top to bottom clearly, which won't happen under the Glazers. The way we can continually spend so much on the squad, with little discernible improvement year on year is frankly remarkable. The managers we employ have a sub-standard structure around them, but that does not absolve them of blame from what is happening on the pitch.
I really thought ETH might be the one, in a way I hadn't with the other post-SAF recruits, but I'm struggling to see how he turns this around.
 
Managers neither have the time nor are equipped to identify talent anymore. That's the DOF's job. I also wonder if certain players have clauses inserted in their contracts were they have to play certain amount of games every season. That explains why the likes of Rashford keep playing despite playing dog shit. All we're doing is giving new managers ample rope to hang themselves.
 
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