There is no way we will get both. Midfield is different we needed them. We just signed Jones and Smalling to long term contracts. We also have Rojo. We can't push Rojo to left back because if Shaw is fit, he is going to start. We also have McNair who had a promising first season in central defense. I don't think we are going to have to 6 centre backs going into the season. Otamendi, Ramos, Smalling, Jones, McNair and Rojo. So we will definitely get one of them. Otamendi looks like the cheaper out of the two and the more plausible. He is also younger and his wages are going to be a lot less than Ramos.
Nicolás Otamendi or Sergio Ramos
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It would never happen. MUFC would not do business in that way.
To buy 2 first choice CB's (at those prices) is overkill and I genuinely feel that Smalling is up for the task...so no I would prefer either/or Ramos/Otamendi.
We're not signing two central defenders. You've been flogging this dead horse for weeks. Smalling, Jones, Rojo, plus another, is what we'll enter the season with.
2 world-class CB's at the club - that's not how United do business?
What happens when Smalling gets injured again?
Would you seriously be annoyed if we bought both, because it sounds like it?!
I wouldn't be annoyed at all my friend, what I would be is surprised.
If smalling gets injured we have Rojo or Jones, which seems reasonable to me.
If LVG feels that we need to buy 2 first choice CB's I would completely support him as he knows the players way better than I do.
So can i take all the credit if we sign both then?
Definitely! Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't exactly complain if we signed two, but it's just not feasible.
As i said lads - it's just a muppet dream of mine & probably most of us too. The head says it'll be one or the other, but you never know with LvG - if money's no object for him to retire with a bang in 2 years time.
I think the Caf would be in meltdown if it happened though & the internet would break soon after too..
highly improbable to get both but i cant believe anyone would complain if we did!
If we did it then great. Who wouldn't want two top centre backs? But we've got other positions to strengthen and I don't see us getting both. And I think Smalling still might end up first choice one way or another.
Exactly, if Smalling/Jones/Rojo are good enough they'll force there way into the side.
Nothing wrong with competition, and if you are able to bring in better than what you currently have it's no brainer.
Do you think Chelsea would turn down Ramos for example because they have Zouma?
Fergie, at the end of his tenure
I like Smalling alot & if we unbelievably somehow did sign both Ramos & Otamendi - then Smalling would most definitely be competing for a starting berth with those 2, but Jones & Rojo would not - they'd be back-up imo. That's the level of competition we all dream of as fans & there's nothing wrong with having these type of muppet dreams.
Who would have thought we'd have bought Schneiderlin & Schweinsteiger on pretty much the same day? So, you never know what United have in mind & most reports say we're after both Ramos Otamendi too. They're just reports of course, but encouraging all the same..
I really don't see Ramos coming here and if he did it would be part of a deal to take DDG the other way. I'd prefer de Gea to be honest. Also haven't Real just made Sergio captain? I think this is something that Ramos and Perez will deal with in time. I see him re-signing.
What I've seen of Otamendi, which is admittedly not a lot, he seems solid enough. Not £35 mill solid though. He's younger than Ramos, looks as hard as feck and hasn't got a face I'd like to punch. So on looks and age alone, I vote Otamendi.
What I've seen of Otamendi, which is admittedly not a lot, he seems solid enough. Not £35 mill solid though. He's younger than Ramos, looks as hard as feck and hasn't got a face I'd like to punch. So on looks and age alone, I vote Otamendi.
exactly that.
it'd be incredible if we did buy both! it'd be real ruthless behaviour and show we mean real business rather than pissing about with 4 or 5 defenders out injured in long spells.
sods law would obviously dictate if we did buy both, that no defender got an injury, and we'd have a massive problem trying to shoehorn everyone in for enough games
No. Smalling is a very good centre back and I want to minimise the overhaul.
I think you're in a minority mate. Who in their right mind wouldnt want 2 top world-class CB's at their club like those 2 & also havin a quality CB in Smalling to compete (who's only gonna get better if he stays fit, which is a big if) with them for a starting berth, not to mention havin Jones & Rojo as back up?!
That scenario is muppet dreamland to many, but all the signs are that we want both. Time will tell of course, but its muppet season & after signing the "Sch's" in CM - nothin would surprise me with United this window..
I'm not a fan of big squad overhauls at all, don't wanna go into next season with like 8 of our first team being new signings. As you said, Smalling should only get better so he needs to be starting. Signing both would feel like complete overkill, one of them plus Smalling, Jones, Rojo and McNair would be perfect depth IMO.
Otamendi & Ramos pisses all over that crew of CB's. I'm glad the club have more ambition than some of its fans..
That feckin word "Overkill" should be outlawed on here too. Folk were crappin on with that term with the suggestion of signing 2 CM's for Christ sake. Same folk are pretty quiet now though
I would slightly prefer Ramos for his experience and leadership but both are very good defenders (Ottamendi arguably a bit better at actual defending) and either would be brilliant. I would like us to give Smalling a chance to partner whoever we sign. Jones and Rojo are excellent cover.
Either. Both are good enough. Otamendi interests me a bit more though.
The main thing for me is that it is a step up for Otamendi. He will be looking forward to a new challenge and being the leader of one of the biggest clubs in the world.
There is no step up from Real Madrid.
There is no step up from Real Madrid.
Not true. Clyne rejected them as well.
Otamendi & Ramos pisses all over that crew of CB's. I'm glad the club have more ambition than some of its fans..
That feckin word "Overkill" should be outlawed on here too. Folk were crappin on with that term with the suggestion of signing 2 CM's for Christ sake. Same folk are pretty quiet now though
Centre back and centre midfield is not the same though. Midfielders can be rotated, doing that at the back tends to be more risky and even counter productive We do not need 2 centre backs, I don't want us to follow Madrid's lead, or Chelsea to an extent in years gone by in effectively stockpiling players. If Smalling hadn't just had a very solid season then fine. As it is, he looks like he's really stepping up his game so I don't see the sense in spending £30m+ to bench him.
We may have different definitions of what overkill is but I bet you'd be using the word too if we went and signed another two #10s this summer or something.
Otamendi is younger
Do you also have a problem with signing Bastian fecking Schweisteiger? The current United probably isn't a step up compared to the current Bayern (on the footballing side anyway).
Maybe not but he can step sideways and take on a new challenge - exactly as Schweinsteiger has.
I don't think there's much doubt to be had - Ramos wants join United. De Gea wants to join Real.
Neither may get there wish this summer though.
Neither may get there wish this summer though.
Ramos - he is a better player.
However, he is Madrid's captain and so is unattainable.
I am confused why anybody would choose Otamendi over Ramos.
However, he is Madrid's captain and so is unattainable.
I am confused why anybody would choose Otamendi over Ramos.
I first chose Otamendi because I thought we already have a great leader in BfS, and a younger CB would be welcome. But then I realized I know nothing about Otamendi, so I changed my vote to Ramos who I like very much.
Age and also people have seen more of Ramos so have seen the odd dodgy moment.
Real Madrid are currently a step up from Manchester United on the account of United having to play a 2 legged qualifying stage in order to participate in the UCL - On the back of finishing 4th and 7th in consecutive seasons.
Schweinsteiger is a special case as he was obviously a follower of United in his teenage years. He seems to have a great respect for the club, giving the impression it was the only other club in the world he would consider playing for.
He was also not going to be a started at Bayern whereas report are saying that Ramos will be offered the captaincy if he decides to stay.
Looked very good on Sunday did Otamendi.
Shame, I was hoping he'd flop harder then a sack of potatoes.
Shame, I was hoping he'd flop harder then a sack of potatoes.
He's gotten over his early season jitters..would have loved him partnering Smalling..but that ship has sailed past now though.
He's looked error prone every time I've seen him.
Most defenders take a little while to settle to a new league. If yesterday's MotM performance is an indication of what's to come I'll take that.
I think the majority of us would've snapped either of them up. With the form Smalling has been in this season, if you added either of them our central defence would be the best in the league I reckon.
Looks v good, but not our type of defender. Doesn't offer much on the ball and since our CBs are our playmakers you would want a long term solution at CB next to smalling that can really create, whether that is blind or not
I wanted Ramos and stand by it. Ramos and Smalling would have been sensational. That said i wouldnt have said no to Otamendi after Ramos was kept by Madrid against his wish and will.
None. Blind.
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