Nicolás Otamendi or Sergio Ramos

Nicolás Otamendi or Sergio Ramos

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They are both looking pretty expensive. There must be better options.
 
Ekeke said:
Yeah flavour of the month, I only watched him most weeks. Probably more than you watched United

His body of work last season was miles ahead of Ramos, thats what matters. I wouldnt pick him over Godin but if hes not available for a fee that matches his age, Otamendi is the reliable option no matter how much your pants are in a twist
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One season then?
 
What a difference in voting. A very weird result as I can guarantee it that the majority of voters have seen Otamendi play less than 10 games outside the Argentinian setup. I don't think people realize how much of a threat Ramos is. He's the type of cnut you want on your team and hate playing against. Dirty, gets into player's heads, makes them nervous. And on top of that he can actually play football. The negatives you find with him you'll also find with other defenders. It's just that he plays for a team that doesn't park the bus so mistakes are easier to make. When you're a CB for a defensive team you basically shouldn't be making mistakes. Your job isn't that difficult. Not close to being a defender that has to play football.
 
sincher said:
They are both looking pretty expensive. There must be better options.
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For a top class center back? No. There are barely anyone out there. Big teams are pretty quick to snap them up. Chelsea are surely looking for one as well.
 
I've gone for Otamendi, just too much hassle involved with Ramos. If it's a simple hypothetical in which we don't have to deal with Perez, then Ramos edges it. Guy has won everything there is to win.

I'll be happy with either, but have a feeling we'll sign neither.
 
Snow said:
For a top class center back? No. There are barely anyone out there. Big teams are pretty quick to snap them up. Chelsea are surely looking for one as well.
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I'm not convinced Otamendi is top class and for £35m at age 27 he would need to be.

Ramos is clearly a top class player but he is one of those slight oddities at the back as out and out defending is not his strongest suit. The price tag is pretty mental for a 29 year old... or more likely it is just not possible.

There are perhaps not huge options on the market but ideally if spending that big we should be getting someone with more years in them - Varane/Laporte/Stones.
 
sincher said:
I'm not convinced Otamendi is top class and for £35m at age 27 he would need to be.

Ramos is clearly a top class player but he is one of those slight oddities at the back as out and out defending is not his strongest suit. The price tag is pretty mental for a 29 year old... or more likely it is just not possible.

There are perhaps not huge options on the market but ideally if spending that big we should be getting someone with more years in them - Varane/Laporte/Stones.
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You know why the price tag is so high though? Clubs don't want to sell. If they are to think about it the number better be high, especially with all the money available to some clubs.
 
Wonder how many of the 340-odd people have actually seen Otamendi play a full 90 minutes.
 
Kazi said:
Wonder how many of the 340-odd people have actually seen Otamendi play a full 90 minutes.
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I wonder how many of the 274 people would still be calling Ramos overrated if we weren't being linked with him?
 
Siorac said:
Otamendi, mostly because I hate Ramos with a burning, fiery passion as he's a monumental cnut. Also, he's a walking red card.
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Same here. Plus Otamendi has a few more years in him. Not half as skilful as Ramos on the ball but we don't rally need that at CB with our CM and forward options.
 
Ramos is a better defender, but older. Otamendi isn't far behind and considering his age and availability, I'd be more than happy to see him in the red shirt.
 
I've seen more of Ramos but had a chance to see Otamendi throughout the Copa America and he is exactly the type of CB we should be going for. He is tough as nails, a beast in the air and rarely loses out in a tackle.

I get the impression that (like Rojo) he would give his all to the club, which I think bridges the slight gap between Ramos and him. I still also suspect Ramos is using us for a better contract (but will move if we pay him a lot more) and dealing with Perez to get him will be a pain in the ass, not to mention the DDG factor.

All being said, Otamendi would be the more prudent choice for MUFC this year...and he is younger as well.
 
There's definitely an argument for Otamendi considering he's a couple years younger and will be significantly cheaper if you include transfer fee and wages, but in terms of ability and how they'd fit into our system, Ramos is the clear winner for me. Not to mention, taking Real Madrid's captain would be quite a statement no matter which way you look at it.
 
As I haven't watched much of Otamendi it is Ramos for me. He's what 29 now?, but he's also quality and if we could get him I'd be happy.
 
On balance then probably Ramos, largely because I've seen nothing really of Otamendi, and tbf to Ramos, he has been at the top of his game for a while now. I think it was the haircut that made the difference.

But as I have zero faith that there is actually a chance of Ramos joining, then I'd be very pleased for us to get Otamendi done as soon as he's back from his post-Copa holiday, and see what the fuss is about with him.
 
Otamendi was our main target way before this whole drama with Ramos started. We may be pursuing both to create a monster defense but Argentinean needs a big club move much more than Spaniard however we can offer them both pretty much everything they need.

Quality is quite similar when you look at La Liga's two finest defenders. Sergio Ramos sounds like this year's marquee but Nico Otamendi's resistance against injuries is something to look seriously on when attempting to repair weaknesses from previous seasons.
 
Why isn't there a "neither" option? Ramos isn't coming and Otamendi is just too expensive for someone who may turn out to be 3rd/4th choice. If we don't trust Evans and McNair (and I'm certainly not sure I do) a young Vidic equivalent from eastern europe might be the best bet.
 
Why can't we have both?

Hey, worked last time.
 
I personally dislike Ramos. If he were our player, then maybe I'd come to like him. I dunno. But Otamendi can even be a better player than Ramos in my opinion.

Fingers crossed that it's Otamendi
 
Have to say I haven't ever seen Ramos defend the way Otameni did this year against Barca. Just won everything and stopped everything. One of those Vidic type performances where he owned his area.

Ramos for me isn't an absolutely brilliant defender, but he's an excellent centre back because he's good defensively and good on the ball, which suits us to the tee.
 
Ramos is arguably the best ball-playing CB around (maybe Pique or Boateng is better?), which gives him a flight edge over Otamendi (from what I've seen of him) because that is the sort of style LvG wants our CBs to play.
 
I haven't seen much of Otamendi but it sounds like he's only had one truly great season, which was last season.

Ramos has proven he can be a world class player and has been at a huge club for the past 10 years, he's much more of a sure thing. His passing seems like it would be a huge plus for LVG's system as well, and we could always use a leader like him at the back after the Rio and Vidic departures.

Definitely Ramos for me.
 
Otamendi. More of a United signing, less horribly overpriced, and getting him won't cost us De Gea.

I actually rate him as not that far off Ramos' in quality. Ramos' various eye-catching strengths are undermined by his disciplinary weakness and tendency to stir up trouble in a dressing room. Plus he's a big fecking diva, and I like to think they don't fit in very well at United.
 
Mciahel Goodman said:
I've gone for Otamendi, just too much hassle involved with Ramos. If it's a simple hypothetical in which we don't have to deal with Perez, then Ramos edges it. Guy has won everything there is to win.
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Same here. Went for Otamendi because I just don't see Ramos coming due to Florentino being under fire for ditching Casillas. Both are very good defenders and I would be happy with either of them, although I think Ramos would suit us slightly better with his ability on the ball.
 
I really don't get the hard-on for Ramos, let alone when apparently we are insisting the only way De gea goes is if he comes. feck that, sign Otamendi and keep David for one more season instead. If we are talking 15-20-30M... who gives a toss? We recoup that easily in league/CL results and standing from having DDG instead of some no-mark.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Have to say I haven't ever seen Ramos defend the way Otameni did this year against Barca. Just won everything and stopped everything. One of those Vidic type performances where he owned his area.

Ramos for me isn't an absolutely brilliant defender, but he's an excellent centre back because he's good defensively and good on the ball, which suits us to the tee.
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Both would be the ultimate muppet dream.. :drool:
 
ravi2 said:
I think Smalling has warranted a starting place and Otamendi would be fantastic to pair him with. I do not think Ramos will end up here.
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Agree. Smalling is a first choice defender. I think his defensive abilities are quality.
 
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