GaroppoloPretty much every quarterback in the nfl is a spread quarterback now. Drew brees was a spread pioneer at Purdue.
The only ones I think would be truly pro style in the traditional sense are eli manning and joe flacco.
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I thought the whole thing with him coming out of an FCS college was that he had played in a pro style offense? I might be misremembering though.Shanahan runs a spread or at least has a high amount of spread concepts. Remember he was RGIIIs offensive coordinator back when they went to the playoffs in washington.
I thought the whole thing with him coming out of an FCS college was that he had played in a pro style offense? I might be misremembering though.
Why did someone as talented as Mahomes drop to #10 in the draft anyway, did he have any red flags in college?
How are you defining “spread” here?Pretty much every quarterback in the nfl is a spread quarterback now.
Classic mistake of scouting: lowering grades of prospects based on quality of competition. In this case, Big XII defenses. This also feeds into why Baker going #1 was a surprise.Why did someone as talented as Mahomes drop to #10 in the draft anyway, did he have any red flags in college?
How are you defining “spread” here?
Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Ben Rothlisberger, Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, Andy Dalton, Jared Goff, Joe Flacco, Mitch Trubisky, Josh Allen, and Kirk Cousins aren’t spread QBs.
Team needs play a role as well. Mahomes was 10th overall, but the 2nd QB drafted.Classic mistake of scouting: lowering grades of prospects based on quality of competition. In this case, Big XII defenses. This also feeds into why Baker going #1 was a surprise.
It also happens in soccer. Doubts about a transfer among fans simply because the player comes from a less prestigious league without knowing anything about him. ‘Not Premier League proven’ and that sort of bullcorn.
Your definition of the spread isn’t quite right. Just because it’s gun and has 3+ WR, doesn’t make it an actual “spread” offense.playing in a spread offense in either the nfl or college. spread being lots of shotgun and 3+ wide receiver sets as opposed to the old pro style offenses with a fullback and taking snaps under center.
Ryan - maybe a stretch
Rivers - played in a shotgun heavy, 3+ wr offense in the pros
Roetlisberger - played in a spread in the pros
Stafford - played in a spread in the pros
Luck - played in a spread in the pros
Dalton - played spread at TCU
Goff - played in the Air Raid at Cal
Flacco - already said he was an exception
Trubisky - played spread at UNC
Allen - I'll concede this one
Cousins - maybe a stretch but he played under OCs Shanahan and McVay
Your definition of the spread isn’t quite right. Just because it’s gun and has 3+ WR, doesn’t make it an actual “spread” offense.
First off, what Andy Reid does is based off the West Coast system that Walsh created.thats the generally accepted definition i think but im willing to hear out what you think a better definition is
First off, what Andy Reid does is based off the West Coast system that Walsh created.
A lot of Shotgun heavy offenses are misnamed “spread” offenses, but they aren’t actually using true “spread” concepts. The spread is a system that’s heavily reliant on the read option and on levels route concepts to open up defenses. What these guys are playing in are gun heavy “pro-style” offenses that use a lot of play action pass and a lot of vertical stretch routes to complement a hand off run game. Yes, there’s a lot of WR and it’s in the Shotgun, but it isn’t a spread system.
The actual “spread” offenses in the NFL are ones that have fully integrated the RPO and levels route running (Dallas, Philly, Houston) instead of the traditional hand off to play action and vertical passing concepts.
Spread offenses typically place the quarterback in the shotgun formation, and "spread" the defense horizontally using three-, four-, and even five-receiver sets. Many spread offenses also employ a no-huddle approach. Some implementations of the spread also feature wide splits between the offensive linemen.
Spread offenses can emphasize the pass or the run, with the common attribute that they force the defense to cover the entire field from sideline to sideline. Many spread teams use the read option running play to put pressure on both sides of the defense. Similar to the run and shoot offense, passing-oriented spread offenses often leverage vertical (down field) passing routes to spread the defense vertically, which opens up multiple vertical seams for both the running and passing game.
A term used rather broadly, the spread offense most commonly refers to a formation that employs three or more pass catchers to stretch the defense both horizontally and vertically. It is sometimes, but not always, a pass-heavy approach, and its most important characteristic is that it forces the defense to cover more of the field, as opposed to overpowering the opponent in small spaces as in a more traditional offense
The spread is typically run out of a Shotgun formation with three, four or five receivers. The reasons for running the spread offense are different for each style of offense. Some teams, like Auburn with Gus Malzahn, ran the spread offense to run the ball inside the tackles where they gain a numbers advantage. Other teams, like the Indianapolis Colts with Peyton Manning, ran the spread to get more receivers involved in the passing game. Still, more teams will run a modified Wing-T out of the Shotgun spread, similar to how Florida ran their offense with Urban Meyer and Tim Tebow.
@Eboue, I know what the definitions are. I literally have spent my whole career coaching blocking the spread system or defending it.
Key thing from your 2nd definition... “A term used rather broadly, the spread offense...”
That’s the point I’m making. People have slapped “spread offense” onto pretty much anything that puts WR all over the field.
Do you mean Air Raid as it was created or what people call Air Raid now?ok but are you saying air raid is not spread?
Do you mean Air Raid as it was created or what people call Air Raid now?
Because yes, there’s a big difference.
Original - no. It is just a verticals concepts system that doesn’t really use horizontal space well.well lets hear your thoughts on both
Now, which of those do we actually see in the NFL?in my opinion there are a couple different types of spread.
air raid: mike leach's teams, early oklahoma under bob stoops, texas tech under kingsbury, kevin sumlin, sonny dykes etc
spread option: rich rodriguez, randy walker, urban meyer, chip kelly, gus malzahn, vince young's texas teams
hybrid: dana holgerson, mike gundy, art briles
and the last one would be the teams that recruit elite players whose coaches arent philosophically committed to the spread but have embraced it in parts in recent years: alabama, clemson, notre dame
Now, which of those do we actually see in the NFL?
Broncos players checked out in that game, I'd be pretty happy if I were you cos it will have been the final nail in VJ's coffin. Personally I'm annoyed cos it makes it pretty certain the Cardinals will get Nick Bosa in the draft, hoped the Raiders would suck enough to steal him.Oh look the Broncos lost. Shock.
Oh look the Broncos lost. Shock.
@Eboue, I know what the definitions are. I literally have spent my whole career coaching blocking the spread system or defending it.
Key thing from your 2nd definition... “A term used rather broadly, the spread offense...”
That’s the point I’m making. People have slapped “spread offense” onto pretty much anything that puts WR all over the field.
Broncos players checked out in that game, I'd be pretty happy if I were you cos it will have been the final nail in VJ's coffin. Personally I'm annoyed cos it makes it pretty certain the Cardinals will get Nick Bosa in the draft, hoped the Raiders would suck enough to steal him.
Loved the smart play from Dwayne Harris, Broncos touched their punt on Oakland's 1 yard line so he picked it up and ran it back 99 yards. Effectively a free return since even if he fumbled or got tackled in his own endzone, Raiders would have the ball at the 1 anyway.
At this point after they are out of the playoffs losing to the Raiders may be the final nail in Joseph's coffin, so not entirely a bad thing.
If I didn’t want to keep him at OU, I’d want Lincoln Riley.We need a good offensive mind in charge.
If I didn’t want to keep him at OU, I’d want Lincoln Riley.
But he’s got the #1 QB and two 5* WRs coming in, so he’s playing with house money with the Oklahoma gig. Plus there seems to be a vague notion he’ll hold still until he can take over the Dallas Cowboys. I don’t think he’ll end up at the Browns.
I don't know anything about the college game or what coaches are good sadly, but I have read a few names recently as being ones the Broncos 'should' consider, including Matt Campbell, Chris Peterson and David Shaw. No clue how good/likely they are.
I hear Elway is interseted in Harbaugh.
I hear Elway is interseted in Harbaugh.
I assume you mean Jim, although apparently John hasn't actually signed his extension yet?
Campbell is a name on the rise. Would’ve gotten the Ohio State job if Urban hadn’t passed the torch to an assistant. He will be at an elite program or in the NFL soon.I don't know anything about the college game or what coaches are good sadly, but I have read a few names recently as being ones the Broncos 'should' consider, including Matt Campbell, Chris Peterson and David Shaw. No clue how good/likely they are.
Does the Baltimore leadership want rid of John? He's kept them consistently in the playoff hunt and has won a championship.
