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Only thing I’d say is that Dallas appear to be in a purple patch right now. The team overall is playing better and Cooper has made a difference. But, just my view of course, the Saints win has skewed a few views and I just don’t think the team is as good as it’s presently playing fundamentally. Maybe they are who knows I guess, but if you shut down the run, Dallas will struggle. I believe Seahawks are better equipped when one element of their game is shut down and that for me is the Wilson factor. It’d be a close game but I’d take the Seahawks if I had to choose.

Also, Dallas would not compete with the Bears in my view. A bad match-up for Dallas is that game IMO, I’d say it’s an even harder win then against the Rams who Dallas match up much better against.
 
Dak was the only reason it was a close game and of course the Cowboys fans won't believe that the refs decided the game . That first play decision was the worst of the season and frankly its not just about one decision but also a lot about momentum. Starting a huge game like this with a turnover and the ball at the 20 is absolutely huge
 
Rado_N said:
The officials have been absolutely trash across the whole league this year. The Broncos have had some game horrendous decisions go against them, which along with dogshit coaching has massively handicapped us.
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I still remember that TD you guys got against us in the first game where the refs overturned their decision on the field but the WR was clearly out, and yeah I'm still so bitter.

You're right though refereeing is laughably shit across the board, worse than the PL considering there's video replays available.
 
Cowboys are clearly the best team in NFC East but I would be shocked if theu did anything significant in the playoffs. They may or may not be trash but they aren't very good either
 
I agree with the notion that some of the calls have been pretty crappy at times. It’s also the inconsistency that really bothers me. Mistakes happen - shouldn’t - but happen. But the inconsistencies should simply not happen, each of the crews should be on the same page.
 
MrMarcello said:
I'd take Wentz over Dak though, no offense to the latter.
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Possibly though I would want to see Wentz back to where he was first .

People look for weak spots in Dallas and they think it's Dak . I wouldn't be so so sure yes he makes mistakes it is his third year and he will always make up for the mistake with a great play .

What I am sure off if he ever threw a pick like the one Wilson did last night twitter would explode with the Dak hate.

Dallas won't win the superbowl not this year but they are a very young team with some truly fantastic talent emerging and they will only keep getting better over the next few years
 
Dak was awful in that Philly game, his receivers were open the whole game and he still couldn't put Philly away, some of his overthrows were ridiculous. Dallas have had a good team for a moment, a healthy Romo woldv'e had this team in the SB imo.
 
This might sound a little wrong but, if Seattle went to Dallas I'd be expecting a pretty straightfoward win for the 'Hawks (then to get pummelled by the Rams). Seattle matches up well against Dallas: QB is too inexperienced, and Seattle are pretty good at stopping teams from scoring on the ground (even though they give up quite a bit of yardage). Dak Prescott will inevitably cough up the ball and all will be well.
 
The day McCarthy was fired I remember Vikings playing Patriots and Buck & Aikman going on about how DeFillipo would be in the running for the Packers job and it was hilarious considering the rubbish that the Vikings offence was putting up
 
lsd said:
Dallas won't win the superbowl not this year but they are a very young team with some truly fantastic talent emerging and they will only keep getting better over the next few years
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Here's most likely will happen that will derail any possibility of Dallas making to/winning a SB while Jerry is still alive.

He's going to max out Dak which will crush their cap going forward.
He then has to decide on who to pay amongst: Zeke, Cooper, Lawrence, etc.
He'll likely ignore his defensive contributors and give bloated contracts to the offensive stars that sell tickets and merchandise.
He'll extend Garrett (and if not he'll simply hire another yes man with zero innovation and control).

Barring some great draft finds blended with scrap heap free agent pickups and pieced together through the miracle work of Marinelli and Richard, the defense likely returns to the 2010-14 versions. The offense improves, maybe, and they're back to what they usually are: bang average, with a great season and a bad season sandwiched in here and there.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Cowboys are clearly the best team in NFC East but I would be shocked if theu did anything significant in the playoffs. They may or may not be trash but they aren't very good either
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We really aren't. There's not much between the 4 of us in my opinion.

We're playing the best right now though, probably followed by the Giants.
 
Carl said:
We really aren't. There's not much between the 4 of us in my opinion.

We're playing the best right now though, probably followed by the Giants.
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Putting the Resskins aside who would probably be top of it wasn’t for injuries, I think it is safe to say the Cowboys are the second best team in the division.
 
4 of Bucs, Rams, Chargers, Jags and Raiders in London next year..

Maybe Tottenham's stadium might even be ready :).
 
I might get up for tonight's game, has the potential to be one of the games of the year and I'm reaaaally hoping for a Chargers win. Eric Berry might make his comeback as well.

I'm rooting for the Packers and Browns to make the postseason as #6 seeds at this point. They both have a not that unrealistic chance if they win out.
 
mav_9me said:
These are my observations. Correct me if I am wrong.

Both defenses are equally good.
Coming to the offense:
Wilson is obviously much better than Dak.
Zeke is quite a bit better than Carson and along with their O line superiority perhaps that neutralizes the better QB.
Which leads to the difference maker which would be Cooper.
And then of course whose home the game is at.
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Phil said:
I love Carson and he doesn't get the recognition, but Zeke is still better overall.
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This season people, who know more about football than the average twitter user or caf poster, clearly think otherwise. PFF's grading system isn't an opinion piece either, it''s backed up by numbers. Elliott has the superior offensive line and running backs don't matter anyway.
 
bucky said:
This season people, who know more about football than the average twitter user or caf poster, clearly think otherwise. PFF's grading system isn't an opinion piece either, it''s backed up by numbers. Elliott has the superior offensive line and running backs don't matter anyway.
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It says enough that the person who thinks Carson is better than Zeke is a Seahawks fan.
 
RobinLFC said:
It says enough that the person who thinks Carson is better than Zeke is a Seahawks fan.
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No offence to @Phil, but why should that matter? I mean, I literally said it in the post you quoted, that people who know more about football than anyone here on the caf think otherwise and their grading system backs it up. I know which opinion I'd value more. PFF's number are being used and they are employed by NFL teams.
 
bucky said:
No offence to @Phil, but why should that matter? I mean, I literally said it in the post you quoted, that people who know more about football than anyone here on the caf think otherwise and their grading system backs it up. I know which opinion I'd value more. PFF's number are being used and they are employed by NFL teams.
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I don't know about the rankings, but just like the WhoScored rankings or whatever for the PL ratings, they're flawed or heavily skewed most of the times. The Seahawks are the most run-orientated team in the league for example.

I'd like to base my opinion on what I see with my own eyes, and that's that Elliott is one of the top 3 RBs in the league.
 
RobinLFC said:
I don't know about the rankings, but just like the WhoScored rankings or whatever for the PL ratings, they're flawed or heavily skewed most of the times. The Seahawks are the most run-orientated team in the league for example.

I'd like to base my opinion on what I see with my own eyes, and that's that Elliott is one of the top 3 RBs in the league.
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How would you know, if you don't know how they come up with their grading? FFS. That's exactly the sort of argument climate change deniers would use. 'I don't understand the numbers, but my opinion on whether humans interfere with climate change is still valuable and I don't believe we have anything to do with it.'

And I very much doubt you watch as much football as their analysts do. It's literally their job to watch every single snap from Elliott and Carson this season.
 
bucky said:
How would you know, if you don't know how they come up with their grading? FFS. That's exactly the sort of argument climate change deniers would use. 'I don't understand the numbers, but my opinion on whether humans interfere with climate change is still valuable and I don't believe we have anything to do with it.'

And I very much doubt you watch as much football as their analysts do. It's literally their job to watch every single snap from Elliott and Carson this season.
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Because it's inherent to stats since they never account for all relevant things, Rado's "useful RB comparison" shows a totally different outcome for example, and DVOA is used by a lot of people.

Anyone who suggests Cris Carson is a better RB than Ezekiel Elliott is either in denial or on the wind-up.
 
Article from yesterday, a former All-Pro RB with a rushing title to his name who ranks Zeke #1, Chubb at #9 and Carson at #14. Like I said, you could make a case for anyone depending on which source you use. But Carson or Chubb are never better RBs than Zeke in my book.
 
RobinLFC said:
Because it's inherent to stats since they never account for all relevant things, Rado's "useful RB comparison" shows a totally different outcome for example, and DVOA is used by a lot of people.

Anyone who suggests Cris Carson is a better RB than Ezekiel Elliott is either in denial or on the wind-up.
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Going by DVOA, Carson is better than Elliott this season.

The second part is not worth responding to.
 
@bucky I get the PFF analytics and what not, but it’s not as simple as you make it out.

One of the key reasons Zeke is not on there is because his O-Line carves out lanes for him. Hence, he gets marked down - yards gained due to big gaps created by the O-Line score less than yards gained by the back themselves.

Which is all fine and makes sense. But every yard his O-Line gain him is a yard he can’t gain himself, as he doesn’t have the oppprinity to do that. That doesn’t mean, though, that is Zeke was playing for the Seahawks or the Giants that he wouldn’t get the same yardage and ergo the same rating as Carson and Barkley.

Not saying he would or wouldn’t, just explaining why you can’t just take the rating in isolation. Like every statistic, you need context.
 
RobinLFC said:
Article from yesterday, a former All-Pro RB with a rushing title to his name who ranks Zeke #1, Chubb at #9 and Carson at #14. Like I said, you could make a case for anyone depending on which source you use. But Carson or Chubb are never better RBs than Zeke in my book.
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That's not serious analysis. Hes basically just ranking them week to week. How does Connor go from 8 to not in the top 15 in one week because he was injured? It's a farce.
 
Phil said:
4 of Bucs, Rams, Chargers, Jags and Raiders in London next year..

Maybe Tottenham's stadium might even be ready :).
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Never know!

Looking at each of those team’s schedules next year, there is certainly potential for a good couple match-ups! Also the possibility of some duds.
 
Eboue said:
That's not serious analysis. Hes basically just ranking them week to week. How does Connor go from 8 to not in the top 15 in one week because he was injured? It's a farce.
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Aye that’s just an opinion piece effectively, not any kind of science behind that.
 
Eboue said:
That's not serious analysis. Hes basically just ranking them week to week. How does Connor go from 8 to not in the top 15 in one week because he was injured? It's a farce.
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Of course it’s just his opinion, it was just to prove that it’s not far-fetched to say Zeke is way better than Carson even if some metric proves otherwise. It’s also written by a guy who, unlike me according to bucky, presumably watches a ton of football.
 
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