NFL Thread 2014-2015

@Eboue

Can a player refuse to be drafted by a team ?
And what do you think about Chip Kelly, i have seen people say that he was just lucky, at Philadelphia.

They can but the team has their registration rights. So it's a standoff. The team might give in and trade the player or the player might refuse to show up and forfeit the money. Eventually someone gets in.


Chip Kelly built a great Oregon program from a mediocre one. He took a 4-12 NFL team and had consecutive 10 win seasons. He's one of the best coaches in the league. There is a reason Belichick was getting his advice back when Chip was in college.
 
They can but the team has their registration rights. So it's a standoff. The team might give in and trade the player or the player might refuse to show up and forfeit the money. Eventually someone gets in.


Chip Kelly built a great Oregon program from a mediocre one. He took a 4-12 NFL team and had consecutive 10 win seasons. He's one of the best coaches in the league. There is a reason Belichick was getting his advice back when Chip was in college.

Thanks, i really liked his Oregon team and his legacy, and i find his Eagles team very exciting.
He just needs to control the clock a little bit, i think.
 
First 2 wildcard games tonight. Reckon Carolina and Steelers will win. Hoping for 2 good games.
 
Bill Simmons on the Brady contract restructuring...

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/sorry-youre-working-today-nfl-wild-card-weekend-picks/

Q: When I heard that Tom Brady changed his guaranteed money from a skill guarantee to an injury guarantee, increasing the cash flow available for this offseason by $24 million, it got me excited at first because I thought it would increase the chances that Darrelle Revis could be extended as well as Devin McCourty and Nate Soldier. After reading your tweets, I saw that you were actually skeptical of the move. Could you explain your tweets a little further?
—David Rudman, Port Washington

BS: My illegitimate son Barnwell already broke down all the contractual mumbo jumbo for Grantland on Tuesday, including the crucial point that avoiding Brady’s $24 million escrow payment helped only New England’s cash flow (not its cap). So I will only add these three points beyond those tweets:

1. Peyton Manning signed a $96 million deal with Denver, then eventually restructured the deal to guarantee him $58 million over his first three Denver seasons. Brady’s 2013 extension was more team-friendly; he made $33 million guaranteed for 2013 and 2014 combined, then had another $24 million guaranteed coming that was going to cover the next three seasons (2015 through 2017) and turned him into the Tim Duncan/Dirk Nowitzki of Football. (Translation: an unbelievable bargain for a contender.) That’s why my sh-- detector went off. Why not lock down that bargain? For more short-term “cash flow”? For someone who’s a billionaire? Something didn’t add up.

2. OK, so dig a little deeper. The revised “deal” pays Brady $27 million total over the next three seasons (a $3 million bump), but it’s guaranteed only if Brady gets injured during THIS postseason. As the Patriots furiously leaked their “this isn’t a big deal, this is just Brady being an awesome teammate who just wants to win” story to the appropriate parties, buried within those reports was the following tidbit: It’s now a million times easier for the Patriots to release Brady this spring. Again, the Patriots can cut Brady this spring with heavily reduced financial repercussions.

3. Back to Brady, who eschewed $24 million guaranteed for $27 million with no guarantees. Yet another example of New England’s unabashed exploitation of Brady’s generosity and team-first nature over these past 12 years, right? But buried in all this week’s news stories was another tidbit, “Brady also now can be released by the Patriots without any liability, but he then would become an unrestricted free agent, free to command the type of guaranteed money he has agreed to surrender.”

Why would Brady do that? That’s simple: because he loves playing football, he doesn’t have to worry about money,6 and he wants to end his career on HIS terms. Remember, Brady has the best chance of any quarterback ever of succeeding in his early-forties; I wrote about his whole eats-drinks-sleeps football machine routine two months ago, then Sports Illustrated expanded on that angle in December. Nobody takes better care of his body. Even if he was better six or seven years ago (especially with deep balls), he’s still one of the best five QBs in football.

What kind of leverage is that worth? What are three years of Tom Brady worth on the open market this spring for Houston, Buffalo, the Jets, the Rams or whomever? If you’re an up-and-coming team like the Rams, wouldn’t you give Brady $55 million guaranteed for three years without even blinking? If you’re the Texans, and you’ve been crippled by the QB position for just about this entire century, wouldn’t you fork over that $55 million in 2.3 seconds? Oh, here are the 2015 free agents at that position right now:

• Brian Hoyer
• Mark Sanchez
• Jake Locker
• Ryan Mallett
• Michael Vick

And here are the trade candidates …

• Jay Cutler
• Robert Griffin III

Damn. I might have gone low with that $55 million guess. And again, Brady won’t care about signing for the most money possible. For all we know, he’d pick a franchise based on the available talent, the coach, the owner and the situation, in that order, with money being the last (and least important) variable.

So here’s where you say, “Well, why wouldn’t he just stay in New England then?”

Great question. I spent the whole week thinking about it. The answer: Brady knows better than anyone how Belichick is wired. During Brady’s entire career, the Krafts and Belichick have successfully pulled off their good cop/bad cop routine; the Krafts make the players feel like part of their extended family … right up until Win-At-All-Costs Belichick does whatever is best for the team. It’s a mutually beneficial relationship in every respect — not just because of the three Super Bowls, but because the Patriots are 150-42 (not including playoffs) since 2003.7 Bill Belichick has to be mentioned first, second, third, fourth or fifth in any “Who’s the greatest person to ever run an NFL team?” conversation. It’s just a fact.

Of course, over the past 13 years, Brady watched Belichick shank Drew Bledsoe, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Troy Brown, Richard Seymour, Wes Welker, Willie McGinest, Logan Mankins and other esteemed Patriots over the years. That’s why everyone respects the Belichick-era Patriots so much, whether it’s real respect or begrudging respect. The plan never wavers. Belichick will always do what’s best for the future, whether it’s trading down in drafts for extra picks or dumping beloved veterans one year too early instead of one year too late. And Brady knows it. He also knows how miserable Belichick can be day-to-day, especially if you’re letting him down in some way.

So, assuming the Patriots didn’t …

A. Renege on that escrow payment, then put Brady in the position of swallowing his anger for five weeks because he didn’t want to affect the team’s Super Bowl chances (doubtful, but it can’t be ruled out)

B. Already make a wink-wink deal for the future that they can’t announce yet (even more doubtful)

… then this contract “tweak” was about flexibility over everything else. Even if neither side will admit it. I believe the Patriots wanted more flexibility to gently push Brady out if (REPEAT: IF) his performance slips or his body breaks down (think Favre in Green Bay or Manning in Indy). And I believe Brady wanted the flexibility to find a different team if his relationship with Belichick soured for whatever reason. Removing those guarantees, and turning that contract into a year-to-year thing, provided him that flexibility.

And if you think this isn’t a big deal, here’s why you are wrong. A week ago, Tom Brady was locked down in New England through 2017. Now, it’s much easier for him to leave in three months — a decision that might be affected, one way or the other, by whatever happens these next five weeks. Something HAS changed here.

Last point: Like so many others these past few days, I found myself getting sucked into HBO Signature’s restored/HD/widescreen five-day marathon of my second-favorite TV show ever, The Wire.8 In the last episode, Cheese and a few other drug dealers are figuring out how to buy out Marlo when someone makes a “back in the day” case and Cheese angrily interrupts him.

“There ain’t no back in the day, n----,” Cheese hisses. “Ain’t no nostalgia to this shit here. There’s just the street and the game and what happen here today.”

Isn’t that how Bill Belichick runs the Patriots? Ain’t no nostalgia to this shit here. It’s all about what happen here today. Belichick shanking Brady 13 years after he shanked Bledsoe FOR Brady would be the ultimate Belichickian moment. The man doesn’t pay for past performance. He cares only about what you’re worth right now. That’s the biggest reason why the Patriots win 12 games and compete for the Lombardi every year. And that’s the biggest reason why it’s conceivable — repeat: conceivable — that this contract “tweak” is a bigger deal than everyone thinks.
 
@Eboue

Can a player refuse to be drafted by a team ?
And what do you think about Chip Kelly, i have seen people say that he was just lucky, at Philadelphia.

John Elway and Jim Kelly, two of the great quarterbacks of the 90s, both refused to play for the team that drafted them, the Baltimore Colts and Buffalo Bills, respectively. Elway threatened to play baseball with the Yankees because the Colts were so awful, and Baltimore eventually traded him to Denver. Kelly did not like the cold evidently, and he went to play in the USFL instead. When that folded, Buffalo stilled maintained his rights, they refused to trade him, and he eventually signed with the Bills.

Eli Manning and Michael Crabtree are two of the more recent examples; Eli refused to play for the Chargers, but that was done and dusted pretty quickly, Crabtree signed with the Niners half way through the season. If the player refuses to sign by the next years' draft, the team must revoked their rights to that player and they are free to enter the draft again. Bo Jackson refused to play for Tampa, and went on to play baseball instead. Tampa forfeited his rights at the subsequent NFL draft, Oakland picked him late not thinking he would ever really play football, but the management was able to convince him to play. Think the Kelly thing was different because he signed with a rival league, so the Bills maintained their rights to him throughout his USFL career.

There been pretty high profile instances in the NFL, the NHL and the NBA.

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John Elway and Jim Kelly, two of the great quarterbacks of the 90s, both refused to play for the team that drafted them, the Baltimore Colts and Buffalo Bills, respectively. Elway threatened to play baseball with the Yankees because the Colts were so awful, and Baltimore eventually traded him to Denver. Kelly did not like the cold evidently, and he went to play in the USFL instead. When that folded, Buffalo stilled maintained his rights, they refused to trade him, and he eventually signed with the Bills.

Eli Manning and Michael Crabtree are two of the more recent examples; Eli refused to play for the Chargers, but that was done and dusted pretty quickly, Crabtree signed with the Niners half way through the season. If the player refuses to sign by the next years' draft, the team must revoked their rights to that player and they are free to enter the draft again. Bo Jackson refused to play for Tampa, and went on to play baseball instead. Tampa forfeited his rights at the subsequent NFL draft, Oakland picked him late not thinking he would ever really play football, but the management was able to convince him to play. Think the Kelly thing was different because he signed with a rival league, so the Bills maintained their rights to him throughout his USFL career.

There been pretty high profile instances in the NFL, the NHL and the NBA.

Thank you.

I was asking the question because of Mariotta, who may prefer to join Kelly and also because I was thinking about the hypothetical case of a young QB who could be stuck in his progression by an established player.
 
Anyone fancy either of these teams to go all the way? Would be nice to see the Cardinals do it, but I doubt they can get that far. Panthers I'm not sure of either.
 
Arizona are fecked. I feel for Lindley.

I say that as Caroline feck up a punt return.
 
Turnovers like that are big especially when its looking like the game seems one sided at the time. Hope it stays a close game.
 
It's only the first quarter. Cardinals could turn it around.....
I still think AZ are fecked, they can't put a single play together on offense and the defence has been hit and miss too. I do like them though, hope Larry Fitz pulls a lot out of the bag.
 
I still think AZ are fecked, they can't put a single play together on offense and the defence has been hit and miss too. I do like them though, hope Larry Fitz pulls a lot out of the bag.
Both teams are misfiring if you ask me. Hard to see who's going to win this game. As Eboue said, whoever wins this is getting knocked out next round.
 
Looks like neither side wants to win this!

Edit: looks like a TD to me.
 
Excellent defense from Arizona to hold them to a FG. It would have been very difficult catch to make, but I think the second down attempt should have been caught for the TD.
 
Both teams are equally awful. If either of these end up against the Patriots or another good team, they'll get destroyed.
 
Likely one of these is going to Seattle and I think that's where their playoffs end.
 
Carolina almost fecked up another punt reception :lol:
 
Finally some quality in this game!! Nice play.
 
Rubbish tackle from the safety.

I can't believe there's a person with the name Fozzy.